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Voltt

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Rammolt was able to tank Jajanken pre-Nen. Post-needle Killua was able to one shot Rammolt after getting Nen. The needle was basically making Killua hold back constantly. The fact that Killua was keeping pace with Gon while still having the needle means that he's in a completely different league without it.
 

AnansiThePersona

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They both have god tier genes, but Killua is way more refined than Gon is. Also helps that Killua is more intelliegent. I think Killua can plan and pace out his fights better than Gon can while Gon is more adaptive in a less logical sort of way. Gon's not afraid to fuck himself up during a fight whereas with Killua he's not about that life, even post needle removal.

Yeah they were opposites in the way that Gon fought with reckless abandon with no consideration for his life while Killua fought with the thought of overpowering enemies and escaping without damage. Also Gon's Nen moves are mad slow and his only "strong" move takes a 5 seconds to do and requires the opponent to stand still lol
 
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Yeah they were opposites in the way that Gon fought with reckless abandon with no consideration for his life while Killua fought with the thought of overpowering enemies and escaping without damage. Also Gon's Nen moves are mad slow and his only "strong" move takes a 5 seconds to do and requires the opponent to stand still lol
Gon is more Turn Based RPG, while Killua is Real Time RPG.
Rammolt was able to tank Jajanken pre-Nen. Post-needle Killua was able to one shot Rammolt after getting Nen. The needle was basically making Killua hold back constantly. The fact that Killua was keeping pace with Gon while still having the needle means that he's in a completely different league without it.
This is why I want to see a time skip Killua. He'd probably be like a slightly slimmed down Silva with lightning moves.
 

Ultra

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Gon has way more aura-capacity potential, but Killua has a much higher skill-based ceiling when it comes to Nen. He started learning Nen the same time Gon did, trained/fought in Nen much less and was still almost always portrayed to have an "edge"

Even Hiei got some hard fights.

I guess the one "sequence" where Killua was really pushed to his limit was his war against the ants. It started off pretty tame, talking to the people, making a ruckus and staying on the run. He then restrained the military and kept running, no rest. At this point he's out of breathe, got the attention of Pitou and the commanders. He's clearly tired, the platoon then launches its assault. Killua swiftly takes out most of them, tanks a massive explosion right to the face and then is forced to deal with Ikalgo. After losing a lot of blood he pinpoints Ikalgo's location and swiftly deals with him.

Which leads him to the Siblings. He barely manages to snatch out a victory or draw, couldn't even stand at the end of it.
 
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Gon has way more aura-capacity potential, but Killua has a much higher skill-based ceiling when it comes to Nen. He started learning Nen the same time Gon did, trained/fought in Nen much less and was still almost always portrayed to have an "edge"



I guess the one "sequence" where Killua was really pushed to his limit was his war against the ants. It started off pretty tame, talking to the people, making a ruckus and staying on the run. He then restrained the military and kept running, no rest. At this point he's out of breathe, got the attention of Pitou and the commanders. He's clearly tired, the platoon then launches its assault. Killua swiftly takes out most of them, tanks a massive explosion right to the face and then is forced to deal with Ikalgo. After losing a lot of blood he pinpoints Ikalgo's location and swiftly deals with him.

Which leads him to the Siblings. He barely manages to snatch out a victory or draw, couldn't even stand at the end of it.
That whole sequence is great though. Fucking Nen fish darts and the way he easily solo'd like 6 ants is fucking fantastic.
 

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Just put this one together:

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fourfourfun

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Rammolt was able to tank Jajanken pre-Nen. Post-needle Killua was able to one shot Rammolt after getting Nen. The needle was basically making Killua hold back constantly. The fact that Killua was keeping pace with Gon while still having the needle means that he's in a completely different league without it.

Although the needle didn't really stop his capabilities, it simply kicked in if he faced off against anyone that he deemed as either equally skilled or better at face value. He had the ability, just couldn't use it.
 

Ultra

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Although the needle didn't really stop his capabilities, it simply kicked in if he faced off against anyone that he deemed as either equally skilled or better at face value. He had the ability, just couldn't use it.

This.

Removing the needle didn't actually make him "stronger" or "faster" but allowed him to use his full capabilities even if someone had the smallest of chances to win. Because that's what the needle did, if Illumi's aura or whatever saw that Killua was even remotely at threat, the takeover would begin. Someone like the Heaven Arena scrubs, or his opponent in Greed Island isn't going to set the "curse off" because they're scrubs. Killua babyshaked them.

There's a few times in the series where people may argue why Killua wasn't influenced by the curse like the initial fight against Rammot. This is speculation but I'd say the needle somehow took in circumstances, almost as if it's a living thing. Killua was with Kite and Gon, and it probably didn't see Killua in any real danger. The second match however he was alone against a much improved Rammot so of course it'd start affecting him. His square off against Phinks isn't a problem, because he wasn't even trying to fight him. He was trying to escape, which is what Illumi would of wanted.

It seems the curse came into play when Killua was alone and had the intent to fight someone that had a real chance to beat him. Rammot that second time, same with Nobunaga and Shoot.
 

Voltt

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Why would Killua's attacks do nothing to a Nenless Rammolt then? It's been awhile since I've watched that second fight, so I might be misremembering things a bit.
 

Ultra

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Why would Killua's attacks do nothing to a Nenless Rammolt then? It's been awhile since I've watched that second fight, so I might be misremembering things a bit.

His Thunderbolt paralysed him for several seconds, and he didn't use his assassin mode in the first fight like he did the second.

That mode definitely does make a bigdifference as he implied himself, not in terms of physical stats but efficiency and focus.
 

fourfourfun

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It's one of the big differences between the two in general. Killua's schooling generally taught him not to get into a fight unless unavoidable (or unless he is being paid to) and will generally evaluate the situation for the most prudent outcome. You get to see a lot of this in his monologues when doing scouting, like shadowing the Phantom Troupe, anxiety and paranoia battles in his mind.

Gon tends to fight on impulse - a mixture of pride, loyalty, morality... everything inbetween. It's what leads him to punch above his weight in some instances. Something needs to be done? Gon will wade in and do it! Killua's approach keeps him from getting battered all the time though.
 

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I kind of want a panel in the manga like this eventually, one last time.

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The invasion squad from CA arc. Honestly, I hope these guys and ladies reform and save the day or something LOL
 

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It's one of the big differences between the two in general. Killua's schooling generally taught him not to get into a fight unless unavoidable (or unless he is being paid to) and will generally evaluate the situation for the most prudent outcome. You get to see a lot of this in his monologues when doing scouting, like shadowing the Phantom Troupe, anxiety and paranoia battles in his mind.

Gon tends to fight on impulse - a mixture of pride, loyalty, morality... everything inbetween. It's what leads him to punch above his weight in some instances. Something needs to be done? Gon will wade in and do it! Killua's approach keeps him from getting battered all the time though.
Killua's also had far more actual combat training than Gon. When it comes to an actual fight there's a pretty large gap between the two in terms of experience. Yea they started learning Nen at the same time, but Killua was snatching hearts out of chests and dismembering dudes with his bare hands long before he met Gon.
 

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Not gonna lie, was half-expecting Genthru to show up as one of PT's new members, lol.
Never saying anything. Just being there, in the background.
 
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If anything I think Gon has a little more aura capacity, but Killua has much more nuanced and refined aura control which is part of his genius.

They pick up concepts at roughly the same speed with Killua maybe having a slight advantage. Killua will definitely be the most powerful person of his family probably slightly less if not equally powerful as Maha
 

edo_kid

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Genthru needs to get in line, if anyone from GI is to come back then that person should be my man Razor.
 

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Genthru and his crew have probably gotten a lot better at blowing shit up lol. Now that we've seen other collaborative Hatsu's in action, the ceiling for those bomber abilities seems a lot higher.

If anything I think Gon has a little more aura capacity, but Killua has much more nuanced and refined aura control which is part of his genius.

They pick up concepts at roughly the same speed with Killua maybe having a slight advantage. Killua will definitely be the most powerful person of his family probably slightly less if not equally powerful as Maha
Killua is more skillful than Gon in just about every way. He has far more combat experience, and raw technique. This really shows in how he developed his Nen abilities. Gon seems to have more Aura, and is far more reckless in his approach towards fighting. Which is both a weakness and a strength. Gon is willing to take risks that other fighters would not, which makes him more unpredictable in battle. But dude is also at risk of mortal injury and death, with his crazy ass.
 
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Ultra

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If anything I think Gon has a little more aura capacity, but Killua has much more nuanced and refined aura control which is part of his genius.

They pick up concepts at roughly the same speed with Killua maybe having a slight advantage. Killua will definitely be the most powerful person of his family probably slightly less if not equally powerful as Maha

I'd argue that Gon has a lot more aura capacity. He's basically a monster in this regard for his age/experience.
 

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Gon literally has Meruem level aura potential. He's a monster there. His hatsu has like no versatility though. I'm interested to see how he develops it if/when he gets his Nen backm
 

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Gon literally has Meruem level aura potential. He's a monster there. His hatsu has like no versatility though. I'm interested to see how he develops it if/when he gets his Nen backm
He is an enhancer and I can't say we've ever seen an enhancer with a hatsu that isn't just a huge hit. Frankly, Janken is probably fine. He just doesn't have the level of experience needed to take full advantage of it. Remember that he almost beat Knuckle (and probably would have if he had Killua's level of experience).
 
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He is an enhancer and I can't say we've ever seen an enhancer with a hatsu that isn't just a huge hit. Frankly, Janken is probably fine. He just doesn't have the level of experience needed to take full advantage of it. Remember that he almost beat Knuckle (and probably would have if he had Killua's level of experience).
Gon couldn't do the Nen math. I think if Gon was more conservative with his aura usage and actually knew how to fight he could've taken that fight. I do wonder if Killua could've beaten Shoot post Needle.
 

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But look at Killuas hatsu on the other hand, ridiculously versatile on both defensive and offensive. Gon's rock also has a major flaw and to compensate he has to invest in nonenhancer techniques. It doesn't feel optimal and I'm not sure how he could improve rock to be more reliable.
 

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But look at Killuas hatsu on the other hand, ridiculously versatile on both defensive and offensive. Gon's rock also has a major flaw and to compensate he has to invest in nonenhancer techniques. It doesn't feel optimal and I'm not sure how he could improve rock to be more reliable.
He can't, but he's an enhancer. His physical abilities are just going to get stronger and stronger as he trains. The whole thing with that Nen type is that they don't have a fancy hatsu, they just do basic shit but do it better than anyone else.
 

edo_kid

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He is an enhancer and I can't say we've ever seen an enhancer with a hatsu that isn't just a huge hit. Frankly, Janken is probably fine. He just doesn't have the level of experience needed to take full advantage of it. Remember that he almost beat Knuckle (and probably would have if he had Killua's level of experience).

Knuckle wasn't even using his hatsu in that fight, when he finally got serious in the last fight Gon had literally no chance.

Gon couldn't do the Nen math. I think if Gon was more conservative with his aura usage and actually knew how to fight he could've taken that fight. I do wonder if Killua could've beaten Shoot post Needle.

Those were different fights, Knuckle gave him no chance in the last fight.
 
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He can't, but he's an enhancer. His physical abilities are just going to get stronger and stronger as he trains. The whole thing with that Nen type is that they don't have a fancy hatsu, they just do basic shit but do it better than anyone else.
The thing is I think that Killua has proven that he could hit every bit as hard as Gon since he knocked his ass out for a day at least. Granted Gon has Uvogin and beyond potential, but that didn't get Uvogin that far when he fought against someone with a plan.
Knuckle wasn't even using his hatsu in that fight, when he finally got serious in the last fight Gon had literally no chance.



Those were different fights, Knuckle gave him no chance in the last fight.
Yeah since Knuckle immediately used APR on him.
 

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I know all that but that's still a flaw at the end of the day, they just lack versatility as a whole. Gon needs something something to compensate for Rock as well. Uvo's techniques didn't require that same charge time.
 

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He is an enhancer and I can't say we've ever seen an enhancer with a hatsu that isn't just a huge hit. Frankly, Janken is probably fine. He just doesn't have the level of experience needed to take full advantage of it. Remember that he almost beat Knuckle (and probably would have if he had Killua's level of experience).

Bisky's an enhancer and her hatsu is a Cookie Chan lol
 

edo_kid

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Yeah since Knuckle immediately used APR on him.

Even if he didn't used APR he still would have won, he was no longer holding back or helping Gon with warnings to help him get stronger, Gon never had a chance at that point.

I know all that but that's still a flaw at the end of the day, they just lack versatility as a whole. Gon needs something something to compensate for Rock as well. Uvo's techniques didn't require that same charge time.

Uvo was more experience and even then it still required him to charge the Big Bang.