Lamptramp

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Oct 27, 2017
2,439
Germany
Does he keep donations, sub alerts and stuff going when he goes on the rants?

I know nothing about this streamer and had a quick look when it was first posted hours ago and he had the usual scrolling animated dinosaur stuff going on while he talked. In fact the 5 minutes or so I watched he was talking about some subscriber getting moved to "VIP status" since someone had tried to shame them in some way. I wondered why his stream had been posted but then he started talking about this issue again.

I turned it off since I found it unappealing to watch someone shrieking so animatedly about the issue in a way that seemed almost disrespectful.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,633
I know nothing about this streamer and had a quick look when it was first posted hours ago and he had the usual scrolling animated dinosaur stuff going on while he talked. In fact the 5 minutes or so I watched he was talking about some subscriber getting moved to "VIP status" since someone had tried to shame them in some way. I wondered why his stream had been posted but then he started talking about this issue again.

I turned it off since I found it unappealing to watch someone shrieking so animatedly about the issue in a way that seemed almost disrespectful.
Yeah I can understand that. He definitely isn't for me sometimes. But him putting it out there like that in front of a mainly Blizzard fanbase was huge.


Other streamers I saw were doing a way worse job though. One guy I saw was talking about it while blasting rock music with his sub tracker directly behind him WHILE PLAYING WoW. It was astonishingly tone deaf.
 

A1an

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,341
UK
I hope the company gets hit hard, the thing is though won't it just be the insurance that pays out?

Alanah Pearce has posted a video about her experiences.



As game buyers and consumers of games, what is there that we can do, I don't think boycotting them works and it seems that, I don't know 90% of games companies would need to be boycotted.
 

Barius

Member
Jan 2, 2019
607
New Jersey
Yeah I can understand that. He definitely isn't for me sometimes. But him putting it out there like that in front of a mainly Blizzard fanbase was huge.


Other streamers I saw were doing a way worse job though. One guy I saw was talking about it while blasting rock music with his sub tracker directly behind him WHILE PLAYING WoW. It was astonishingly tone deaf.

It's just really fuckin gross they're all using it as content for their streams, I get people wanna talk about it, especially in their audience but fuck turn off all the flashy streamer stuff for a bit.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
50,134
I hope the company gets hit hard, the thing is though won't it just be the insurance that pays out?

Alanah Pearce has posted a video about her experiences.



As game buyers and consumers of games, what is there that we can do, I don't think boycotting them works and it seems that, I don't know 90% of games companies would need to be boycotted.

The lawsuit isn't just seeking out damages, it's also looking for a court order to enforce workplace standards.
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,633
It's just really fuckin gross they're all using it as content for their streams, I get people wanna talk about it, especially in their audience but fuck turn off all the flashy streamer stuff for a bit.
Yeah the ones who are still leaving up their alerts and playing music are terrible. The fact that some of them were still playing WoW while talking about it is just nuts to me.


I am glad though that some of the more recognizable content creators that I know like Preach, Asmon, Tali, and Bellular are addressing it straight away and shining a light on it instead of taking a "wait and see" attitude. Especially since it's so very clear that this is a very real problem for that company. Because they are the ones that are going to put the problem in front of the players. Not CNN or some other news site.
 

zashga

Losing is fun
Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,247


I gotta say, this Trumpian response is incredibly repulsive to me. Really makes me think we're not even getting a "tough esports moment" non-apology this time around.

The timeline makes it pretty unlikely that this is even a Brack/Activision thing. This could well be the underlying culture from the classic Blizzard days when everyone loved them. It's probably time for me to just rip off the bandaid and give up on being a Blizzard fan entirely.
 

Veliladon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,565
Just started reading through the list of allegations. Got to about #50 and had to stop.

Video games were a god damned mistake.
 

Hulk1988

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Jul 7, 2021
155
Just went through almost all sites here. I cannot believe it. I am shocked. All the best for all affected people.
 

Mollymauk

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Oct 27, 2017
4,324
HR is no better than a police union.
If someone helps cover up a crime, they have committed a crime.
How is HR not being held criminally responsible?
 

Coyote Starrk

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
53,633
HR is no better than a police union.
If someone helps cover up a crime, they have committed a crime.
How is HR not being held criminally responsible?
Yeah I don't understand either. Every HR I have ever worked with as been great about anonymity and actually followed through on my complaints. Blizzards HR seems to have only cared about the accused rather than the victim. Especially in cases where it was involving a superior.


"How do I make this go away?" instead of "How do I fix this?"
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,172
NY
I hope the company gets hit hard, the thing is though won't it just be the insurance that pays out?

Alanah Pearce has posted a video about her experiences.



As game buyers and consumers of games, what is there that we can do, I don't think boycotting them works and it seems that, I don't know 90% of games companies would need to be boycotted.

good to see she found a place where she's treated well, lord knows she's put in the work
 

JahIthBer

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Jan 27, 2018
10,407
Watching asmons reaction because it's hard not to, in the first minute hes like "it's okay for me to say big dick energy & other stuff because blizzard are pigs"
here we go lmao.
 

We_care_a_lot

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,157
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Bufbaf

Don't F5!
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Oct 25, 2017
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Watching asmons reaction because it's hard not to, in the first minute hes like "it's okay for me to say big dick energy & other stuff because blizzard are pigs"
here we go lmao.
It's incredibly annoying to see a guy pretending to care about misogyny and how women have to deal with constant casual shit, while in the literal same sentence shouting about "big dick energy", not gonna lie. I know plenty people will shrug it off with "lol ists just a meme joke pal buddy friend" but that's EXACTLY what casual misogyny and toxicity looks like.

Like, textbook.
 

Rampage

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,158
Metro Detriot
It's incredibly annoying to see a guy pretending to care about misogyny and how women have to deal with constant casual shit, while in the literal same sentence shouting about "big dick energy", not gonna lie. I know plenty people will shrug it off with "lol ists just a meme joke pal buddy friend" but that's EXACTLY what casual misogyny and toxicity looks like.

Like, textbook.

Yup.
It is sickening how he is given a pass because of his follower numbers.
 

Darkader

Banned
Jan 9, 2021
66
User banned (permanent): concern trolling about sexual harassment and inequality over multiple posts; account in junior phase
Stop buying Activision Blizzard games, stop buying Ubisoft games, stop buying Insomniac games. Please stop buying their games.

No dude, this is another example of the problem with cancel culture. So the good people who work at these companies should now suffer and lose their jobs due to company loss of income all because there are individuals who are a**holes. That's like saying we must block an entire race of people cause a few of them did a crime... Makes no sense dude.

What has to happen is those who are responsible for the harassment must be outed and face criminal charges.

The good people at these companies are the ones we need to continue to support and hopefully they become the only kind of employees left when all the a**holes have be outed.
 

Cow Mengde

Member
Oct 26, 2017
12,806
So according to what I'm reading, the employee who committed suicide on a company trip was at Blizzcon? Nice convention you guys have there, Blizzard.
 

Bryo4321

Member
Nov 20, 2017
1,521
No dude, this is another example of the problem with cancel culture. So the good people who work at these companies should now suffer and lose their jobs due to company loss of income all because there are individuals who are a**holes. That's like saying we must block an entire race of people cause a few of them did a crime... Makes no sense dude.

What has to happen is those who are responsible for the harassment must be outed and face criminal charges.

The good people at these companies are the ones we need to continue to support and hopefully they become the only kind of employees left when all the a**holes have be outed.
Lol.
It's about money, the best way for consumers to voice their opinion is with their wallet. This is not "cancel culture" it's just capitalism.
 

Barius

Member
Jan 2, 2019
607
New Jersey
It's incredibly annoying to see a guy pretending to care about misogyny and how women have to deal with constant casual shit, while in the literal same sentence shouting about "big dick energy", not gonna lie. I know plenty people will shrug it off with "lol ists just a meme joke pal buddy friend" but that's EXACTLY what casual misogyny and toxicity looks like.

Like, textbook.

100% agreed
 

Darkader

Banned
Jan 9, 2021
66
Lol.
It's about money, the best way for consumers to voice their opinion is with their wallet. This is not "cancel culture" it's just capitalism.

Again you think the best way to handle this situation is to punish all the people that work at the company cause of a few a**holes? That's sound reasoning and logic to you?

Oh boy....
 

Watershed

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,921
No dude, this is another example of the problem with cancel culture. So the good people who work at these companies should now suffer and lose their jobs due to company loss of income all because there are individuals who are a**holes. That's like saying we must block an entire race of people cause a few of them did a crime... Makes no sense dude.

What has to happen is those who are responsible for the harassment must be outed and face criminal charges.

The good people at these companies are the ones we need to continue to support and hopefully they become the only kind of employees left when all the a**holes have be outed.
Being a conscientious consumer and taking into account the conditions under which games are made and whose pockets you are lining with your dollars is not cancel culture. The people who make the games Activision Blizzard sell are the same people doing cube crawls, passing around nudes of women, and harassing women in the workplace. It's not a few bad apples, it is rampant.
 

Cow Mengde

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Oct 26, 2017
12,806
Lol.
It's about money, the best way for consumers to voice their opinion is with their wallet. This is not "cancel culture" it's just capitalism.

Yup, hit them where it hurts, their wallet.

The funny thing is, most of the money doesn't even go to the people who worked hard on these games. It's people like Bobby Kotick that get all the big bucks while good developers work like dogs.
 

Darkader

Banned
Jan 9, 2021
66
Being a conscientious consumer and taking into account the conditions under which games are made and whose pockets you are lining with your dollars is not cancel culture. The people who make the games Activision Blizzard sell are the same people doing cube crawls, passing around nudes of women, and harassing women in the workplace. It's not a few bad apples, it is rampant.

So you're saying its every employee that is doing the harassment? So if they're all doing it who's the victims? What you're saying makes no sense. Tell me how many employees are the harassers out of the total number of Activision employees.. I'll wait...
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
44,913
It's incredibly annoying to see a guy pretending to care about misogyny and how women have to deal with constant casual shit, while in the literal same sentence shouting about "big dick energy", not gonna lie. I know plenty people will shrug it off with "lol ists just a meme joke pal buddy friend" but that's EXACTLY what casual misogyny and toxicity looks like.

Like, textbook.

He's a notorious streamer who has been pushing the same kind of toxic gamer culture that feeds into this behavior in the first place. Its fucked that people are actively calling this "earning respect" as if he's not part of the problem. People were already excusing him because he promotes a game they like so its not too surprising that this is being touted as a hero moment.
 

Bryo4321

Member
Nov 20, 2017
1,521
Again you think the best way to handle this situation is to punish all the people that work at the company cause of a few a**holes? That's sound reasoning and logic to you?

Oh boy....
When your favorite shoe company uses slave labor do you keep buying their shoes because the nice accountants might lose their job? Again, it's capitalism, this is just how it works. Is it fair to those accountants? No not really, but it's the organizations job to make those changes, and those changes will almost always only happen when it affects the bottom line.
 

Watershed

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,921
So you're saying its every employee that is doing the harassment? So if they're all doing it who's the victims? What you're saying makes no sense. Tell me how many employees are the harassers out of the total number of Activision employees.. I'll wait...
It's normalized as an acceptable part of their work culture. Everything about the report points to this. It's not a few bad apples. It's not about individuals, it's about a toxic work culture up and down the hierarchy, where abusers are protected and promoted and no man is held accountable. Did you read the report? You are intentionally minimizing the abuse, which is very typical toxic male behavior.
 

PiranhaMan

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Apr 26, 2020
993
Not surprising that there are male employees at Blizzard who are assholes/creeps for a long time:

(Watch 4:23 onward)
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
No dude, this is another example of the problem with cancel culture. So the good people who work at these companies should now suffer and lose their jobs due to company loss of income all because there are individuals who are a**holes. That's like saying we must block an entire race of people cause a few of them did a crime... Makes no sense dude.

What has to happen is those who are responsible for the harassment must be outed and face criminal charges.

The good people at these companies are the ones we need to continue to support and hopefully they become the only kind of employees left when all the a**holes have be outed.
Ignore this poster.

Vote with your wallet. You want a company that functions and makes decisions purely on capitalism to make hard changes? Squeeze their purse strings. When the money for investors starts coming up short and sponsors start pulling back, people will start getting fired.

You keep rewarding execs with more money by buying these games, they will ignore your complaints. Boycotts get shit done.
 

Darkader

Banned
Jan 9, 2021
66
It's normalized as an acceptable part of their work culture. Everything about the report points to this. It's not a few bad apples. It's not about individuals, it's about a toxic work culture up and down the hierarchy, where abusers are protected and promoted and no man is held accountable. Did you read the report? You are intentionally minimizing the abuse, which is very typical toxic male behavior.

So you resort to personal attacks when you can't actually explain your state of thinking... Ok we're done here.