It would save them alotta money because they could reuse footage.
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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh
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It would save them alotta money because they could reuse footage.
How to lose more than half of your small but active fanbase 101.
Would be the worst thing ever narrative wise.
... having horrible flashbacks of Endless Eight from the Haruhi anime...
In Yo-Yo's defense she came in at the last moment assuming Ruby was 100% infused and about to crack the Earth open. Still pointless though because killing Ruby had nothing to do with her future self's advice about Coulson.
It's cool that the Particle Infusion Chamber looks and functions just like the Vita-Ray Chamber that Howard used to turn Skinny Steve into Captain American. Did they ever reference why the Particle Infusion Chamber looks so similar, like was it based on the same plans? I went back to the Whitehall episode and I didn't see any mention of it.
If they had a decent budget, they could have gone all Resident Evil for that scene...
No, there is a reason we saw our usual versions getting kidnapped. This kind of plot is usually delicate to pull off and there's a reason characters going through this are not meant to be seen again.
It even has been seen to fail completely on more comical/nonsense stories like sam&max.
Granted, writers here are not amateurs and I'm sure they're aware of this trope, so if they're doing this they're either 99% sure the show is ending or there's going to be a shitty last minute fix to the timeline so we keep our current team. So I hope they don't go with that.
Also I agree with that, starting to think S4 was an accident. This show went back to its worst moments. It's still okay, but that arc is being stretched out for too long with the material and money they have.
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The budget cuts are very obvious this season, but the characters are strong enough after four seasons to mostly get past it. There are been two or three real highlight episodes this season, and those highs have been up with the best of the series. There hasn't been the lows of episodes like 0-8-4 or One of Us, but I'd definitely say that, over all, this season has been rather weak. Character's motivations are all over the place, Gravitonium is incredibly uninteresting, and, really, they didn't have the budget to do a Hydra story. I'd say the first half of this season worked around the budget restraints very well...but this second half has been a chore.
4>2>3>5>1, currently.
4>2>3>5>1, currently.
I think they've been rather clever with the budget limitations. The Lighthouse and how they use it, for example, is a neat idea.
Can't be a Shield plot without Hydra, however, but I'm frustrated by how the Fear Dimension was underused. It was more interesting to me, could have worked well with character development and budget, and had they played on the angle that Daisy's greatest fear was to become the destroyer, it could have resonated well with the time loop thing.
Most of the 100th episode would have been a good series finale anyway.
By the way can someone explain to me why Hale made the beacon a bomb? I didn't get it. She wanted to capture them, not kill them, she couldn't have any idea about the monoliths, and that wouldn't even serve her cause, lol.
Storing everything dangerous in the same room was incredibly stupid btw, no one would do that.
edit: also, anyone else bothered by how the team insists that Coulson must stay alive despite him stating multiple times that he's okay with it? They even went as far as saying that "it's not his choice to make". Like, wtf? Guy already got rez'd once, let him decide.
Can't be a Shield plot without Hydra, however, but I'm frustrated by how the Fear Dimension was underused. It was more interesting to me, could have worked well with character development and budget, and had they played on the angle that Daisy's greatest fear was to become the destroyer, it could have resonated well with the time loop thing.
Most of the 100th episode would have been a good series finale anyway.
By the way can someone explain to me why Hale made the beacon a bomb? I didn't get it. She wanted to capture them, not kill them, she couldn't have any idea about the monoliths, and that wouldn't even serve her cause, lol.
Storing everything dangerous in the same room was incredibly stupid btw, no one would do that.
edit: also, anyone else bothered by how the team insists that Coulson must stay alive despite him stating multiple times that he's okay with it? They even went as far as saying that "it's not his choice to make". Like, wtf? Guy already got rez'd once, let him decide.
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The entire show has been Coulson not letting his team die or sacrifice themselves (except Lincoln), hell he just iced Daisy because she wanted to stay in the future. They're just doing what he's done for them.
It's not sacrifice or stupid heroism here, he's a guy who died before and was artifically brought back. He's dying from the wound that should have killed him in the first place. Surely he's the one to decide and he's smart enough to see why he should go.
They just spent one season and a half trying to reason idiots thinking they could play god and now this somehow doesn't apply to them. And they're being kinda rude and violent in expressing their view, imo.
I'm frustrated there is no opposite voice to all of these nice sentiments, and YoYo took her sweet time to talk.
I don't know, I understand as I expect characters to resist his death, but the way it's been done so far is weird to me. Maybe it's just cause we've been told he has to die to save the world but still don't know how it makes sense.
And I hope he dies honestly, lol.
When Agents of SHIELD will get cancelled, people should send lemons to ABC.
Yes, totally.
I mean tbh it's General Hale and Ruby. If Hale didn't mindlessly just send a bomb to SHIELD we wouldn't have had to deal with the nightmare dimension and lose the monoliths. If Hale also wasn't obsessed with the Destroyer of Worlds program and getting her daughter into it which made her become obsessed as well, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
We have an issue now :P
I blame the bratty teen that couldn't be talked down
Now i'm wondering if that was the whole point of this (minus the humor of course)...but this now gives fans a very specific something to send in mass amounts...was there anything else before this that could have worked (can't think of anything specifically)
I really hate Hale's costume or whatever the fuck she's wearing. She looks like fuckin' Klaus Nomi.
Honestly whether or not YoYo did the right thing is unsure. Had she let Ruby live, QuinHall would have taken over and rendered her insane like it did Creel. Then Hale probably would've gone to Qovac anyways for help and the Earth gets destroyed regardless. And keep in mind that YoYo was out of her mind with pain. But we also know that as it stands, killing her has not stopped the loop.
I also wanted to point out that on Hulu, when they make the remark about Ruby having a list, the subtitles have Strucker saying "Hope I'm on it."
Which is fucking hilarious.
The same world that had Dethlok in S1, Andrew in S3, and Robbie in S4. All seasons with characters who were good, but due to circumstance, were forced to do bad things beyond their control.
Also I'd imagine Daisy is quite a bit empathetic towards someone with a highly manipulative murderous mom.
Ruby attempting to kill them was, according to Hale, overzealousness on Ruby's part.
I also wanted to point out that on Hulu, when they make the remark about Ruby having a list, the subtitles have Strucker saying "Hope I'm on it."
Which is fucking hilarious.
YOOOOOOO
The same world that spent half a season with Daisy scared, out of control, and on the run from people trying to kill her.
The same world that had Dethlok in S1, Andrew in S3, and Robbie in S4. All seasons with characters who were good, but due to circumstance, were forced to do bad things beyond their control.
Also I'd imagine Daisy is quite a bit empathetic towards someone with a highly manipulative murderous mom.
They mention his schematics and the original experiment, yeah? Plus based on all the Cap movies we know that Hydra has complete records of the experiments.
This really begs the question of the point of the bomb. My guess is it was a tactic to weaken them and best "convince" them to join her. Easily overtake and absorb them the weaker and fewer they are.
Ruby attempting to kill them was, according to Hale, overzealousness on Ruby's part.
We have seen limbs being sliced off, gaping wide chest wounds that look like swiss cheese, Ghost Rider burning fools, this show has been getting away with murder for seasons now. Don't forget hive with the skin melting bugs.
We don't know if they could have talked her down because Yo-Yo decided that she want to cut Ruby's throat. Maybe they could have talked Ruby down. Daisy's Talk no Justu game could have been fire especially with Hale there to help.
Sure, Ruby couldn't be controlled by her mom after going through Hydra conditioning since birth. I'm sure the woman she loathes could do it! Especially when her head now continues 2 more consciousnesses that also loath SHIELD! The Daisy plot armour is annoying as heck, she's always wrong.
With that said I've soured on Fitz for inexplicably being willing to repair the machine. Team Yo-Yo all the way!
With that said I've soured on Fitz for inexplicably being willing to repair the machine. Team Yo-Yo all the way!
I wasn't going to say anything but yeah. Did she quit the Air Force ?I really hate Hale's costume or whatever the fuck she's wearing. She looks like fuckin' Klaus Nomi.
It was a weird costume change for sure. Maybe it will look better on someone who is taller, have broader shoulders and edgey looking.
I wonder what they're going to do with the Kree knowing about Gravatonium and why they want it. I guess the makeup budget is also saved for the next few episodes, now that Hydra robots and everyone else except Hale +Assistant are dead.
I wonder what they're going to do with the Kree knowing about Gravatonium and why they want it. I guess the makeup budget is also saved for the next few episodes, now that Hydra robots and everyone else except Hale +Assistant are dead.
I guess the pretense is over? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Her Hydra(?) costume is pretty budget.
And Bobbi being brutally tortured by Ward.
1) This has zero to do with "plot armor," a term I've come to loath over the years. She was trying to talk her down.
2) Fitz was willing to prepare it to save Jemma. If you'd been paying attention, Jemma and Fitz have been saying they won't be separated ever again. Which means they'll do anything to save each other. Plus I think they were expecting everything to blow up in Ruby and Strucker's faces due to gravitonium being unwieldy, as evidenced by their surprise when it got moved to Ruby's chamber.
I love Yo-yo but holy shit I hate her for that. Ruby was getting talked down and Daisy was making progress. Also Ruby is just a kid. Jesus Christ. Such a bad move. There is always another way then slicing her throat. She didn't do the right thing. She didn't save the world. She just wanted revenge for her arms.
Uh huh...
She accidentally killed Strucker like it was nothing. Purposely nearly killed Daisy. Was becoming increasingly erratic. In what universe was Daisy making progress?
They basically said in this very episode that they don't give a fuck, they are putting each other's lives before everything else.
That's not true. YoYo straight took a few moments to think through whether she should do it or not. It wasn't just for revenge, as indicated by her realization that Ruby is the (current?) Destroyer of Worlds.
Hale and Ruby had very slightly calm Ruby down enough to make me think that they could have talked her down given more time. Yo-Yo can move in a blink. She could have waited a bit longer to go for the kill.
You also have to factor in what killing Ruby might do. She was just infused with an unstable element. We have no clue what happened because she died. We saw that wave come out from her (that you could see happening from a mile away) and then disappear. Maybe that causes the world to break apart.