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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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That's the other problem. You're not going to see a perceptible difference between 4K and 8K on most consumer size displays in the 42-65" range and larger size TV's aren't a viable option for a lot of people. I think we need wallpaper and flexible screen tech to hit mainstream affordable prices before 8K has a chance in the mainstream.
Is it hard to mount a TV? I am moving (as I said) and want to mount at least one of mine. I also bought like wall power things...this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GWGZKF6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
To hide the cables in the wall. I'm about as handy as someone with no hands though. I guess I'll call a task rabbit.
To hide the cables in the wall. I'm about as handy as someone with no hands though. I guess I'll call a task rabbit.
Extremely easy, but if you are incompetent than no, I wouldn't mess with it and just hire it out. Hardest part is making sure you are drilling into the center of the stud.
I'd grade it a 1.5 out of 10 on the difficult scale for home improvement projects. 1 being changing a electrical plate, 10 being replacing an antic hung HVAC unit.
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No, it's very easy. Do you know how to use a stud finder? That's step number one. After that the instructions for the mount should be pretty straightforward.
I've mounted 40"-60" TVs solo, with very little trouble (the 60" was super hard to lift despite it only weighing 60 lbs). As long as someone is around to help you lift it, you should have no issue.
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I definitely think MLED will become a thing, also hopefully the future of display... but if OLED's journey is any indication, I don't see it hit mainstream prices/sizes for a loooooooong time. Throwing numbers out of my ass, but I think the first consumer MLED will be 2023-2025. Heck I reckon BOLED has a better chance at hitting the market sooner than MLED.
By 2020-2021, we will see 55" OLED's sub $1k, competitive with LCD, and LGD plants will largely dictate whether 8k sets gets pushed down our throats, regardless whether we want it or not... http://elb01-2039628332.us-west-2.e...TV-panel-output-sixfold-to-10m-by-2021?page=2
Sony x900F, 85". That's the suggestion without knowing your budget
Just got home from nabbing the last clearance 55x900e at a Conns near me for $697....holy hell coming from a $400 budget Samsung its a clear difference in quality.
If i hit info while playing Gears4 my TV says 4K/HDR10. My question Is HDR10 just a signal or is it a difference from HDR. My TV never advertised the "10" part but it did do a firmware update.
I mounted my 65" TV and used that exact same product for the power and cables. As Bumrush said before, if you can find a stud and have a power drill it's pretty straightforward. But I wouldn't blame anyone for hiring out for it.
As for the in wall power and cables. I ended up going with the dual power plug in the top (this one) which was nice because it gave me more room for cables to go into and if I ever mount a soundbar below it or whatever I can just plug right into the wall without having to worry about running an extension cord behind the wall (which is against code in many places in the U.S.)
And just as a reference I'm able to run 3 flat HDMI cables, one real fat HDMI cable (it's a 50 footer so I needed a beefier cord), a coaxial cable, and a optical audio cable through those plugs. And I'm pretty maxed out and would have a tough time getting more through the bottom wall plate. I highly recommend flat HDMI cables, made my wall mount a lot easier to manage and hid cables and stuff... Anyways, just giving my experience with that stuff.
HDR10 is the full name for the more-common HDR format in use today (and the only one that the Xbox supports.) You're all good! :)
If you've got the ability to control lighting completely, and have the wall / seating space to accomodate it, a projector would be a great option. If it's going to see a lot of gaming use, you'll have to pay extra attention to lag: when I was researching, projectors tended to not make it a priority.
So due to where we're moving, we're going to replace our 1080p projector with a 4k TV, and we're also going to ditch our current old audio setup and get a dolby atmos sound bar set up, specifically the Samsung K950. I know the N950 is out in 2-3 months and supports DTS-X, but it's literally going to be $900-1000 more than I can get the K950 for right now. Since I've never had DTS-X, it isn't something I'm going to miss, really, and my thought is get the K950 and put the extra money into a better display than originally planned. Any thoughts on this (that aren't 'get a receiver and speakers instead')?
I am like a fish out of water flopping on a deck....
As some of you may recall, I have both the 65" Sony ZD9 & an LG OLED 65" E7. I like them both for various reasons. I did a little personal shootout and decided to have the ZD9 in my game room (primary display). I have owned the LG and used it in my game room from late September 2017 till about Mid-January when I decided I wanted a brighter HDR image and went with the ZD9. The ZD9 stayed in my game room from Mid-January till early April where I was thinking I loved the deep black/true black of the OLED. Did my shoot out and felt overall the ZD9 was a little better due to the brightness. That was until Friday night and I wan now thinking of moving the LG back to the game room. One of the other things was that I have old school game systems and the ZD9 has a higher input lag when feeding it a 1080p or lower source and for my SNES/NES Classic, Colecovision, Atari systems this added lag was bugging me. I also due to Sea of Thieves discovered all this time that my LG did have some banding, that I really did not detect until playing Sea of Thieves, especially when it is night time or in a cave etc. It was annoying me and one of the reasons along with the HDR brightness and overall brightness I went with the ZD9.
As mentioned, the deep/pure black and the colors just make things pop for me more on the LG and overall, the most important thing is how my games looks and color/black level for gaming is really important. The ZD9 is no slouch and I can see myself probably moving the ZD9 back up to the game room, but for now I moved back the LG for the reasons of vintage gaming and the deeper black. The banding does bug me and I only really see it in SOT and saw Last Jedi last night in 4k and I think I might of saw a pinch of banding but not something that stuck out at me. My wife also said she sees the banding clearly in SOT, but she also does not detect it in other content. As the beginning of my post mentions, I am like a fish out water and am flopping back and fourth. The one thing I have in the back of my mind is will the banding continue to bug me, but also in the back of my mind is all the good/great impressions of people that have the new Q9. 90% of the use of my game room and the set that is in that room is for gaming and 10% movies. Last Jedi was the first movie in the last 2 months I watch up in the game room, so movies are not as important. I also have been hearing great thins about the 8 LG OLED series and many reports of better screen uniformity. Like that is what I need is more things to be flopping about.
Anyways, I do have a few questions/help on the LG 7 Series. I noticed with Forza 7 that no matter what setting (in-game) when adjusting for HDR brightness, the logo never disappears. The in-game brightness setting suggests to adjust in game brightness until the 1 in the box just disappears, which I have been able to set properly. Then for HDR brightness it says to adjust it to the right until the Forza 7 logo disappears. but on my set it never does. It is clearly visible at it's highest settings. I have my E7 in Game Mode, HDR, OLED 100, Contrast 100, Color at 55, Brightness at 50, Dynamic Contrast at Medium (at times low). I notice when I switch the picture settings to Vivid or Standard the Forza 7 logo does disappear, in the other modes like Game Mode, Cinema it does not. Strangely, in Forza Horizon 3, which they use almost the same type of screen to adjust for HDR the logo disappears slightly have way, where as in F7 it can be at one end or the other and the logo remains, it is lighter when it is to the far right, but according to the menu the logo should disappear like it does in Forza Horizon. It does work on my ZD9, so I wonder if there is something I am missing or can it be just the game and it not adjusting properly with the LG?
As some of you may recall, I have both the 65" Sony ZD9 & an LG OLED 65" E7. I like them both for various reasons. I did a little personal shootout and decided to have the ZD9 in my game room (primary display). I have owned the LG and used it in my game room from late September 2017 till about Mid-January when I decided I wanted a brighter HDR image and went with the ZD9. The ZD9 stayed in my game room from Mid-January till early April where I was thinking I loved the deep black/true black of the OLED. Did my shoot out and felt overall the ZD9 was a little better due to the brightness. That was until Friday night and I wan now thinking of moving the LG back to the game room. One of the other things was that I have old school game systems and the ZD9 has a higher input lag when feeding it a 1080p or lower source and for my SNES/NES Classic, Colecovision, Atari systems this added lag was bugging me. I also due to Sea of Thieves discovered all this time that my LG did have some banding, that I really did not detect until playing Sea of Thieves, especially when it is night time or in a cave etc. It was annoying me and one of the reasons along with the HDR brightness and overall brightness I went with the ZD9.
As mentioned, the deep/pure black and the colors just make things pop for me more on the LG and overall, the most important thing is how my games looks and color/black level for gaming is really important. The ZD9 is no slouch and I can see myself probably moving the ZD9 back up to the game room, but for now I moved back the LG for the reasons of vintage gaming and the deeper black. The banding does bug me and I only really see it in SOT and saw Last Jedi last night in 4k and I think I might of saw a pinch of banding but not something that stuck out at me. My wife also said she sees the banding clearly in SOT, but she also does not detect it in other content. As the beginning of my post mentions, I am like a fish out water and am flopping back and fourth. The one thing I have in the back of my mind is will the banding continue to bug me, but also in the back of my mind is all the good/great impressions of people that have the new Q9. 90% of the use of my game room and the set that is in that room is for gaming and 10% movies. Last Jedi was the first movie in the last 2 months I watch up in the game room, so movies are not as important. I also have been hearing great thins about the 8 LG OLED series and many reports of better screen uniformity. Like that is what I need is more things to be flopping about.
Anyways, I do have a few questions/help on the LG 7 Series. I noticed with Forza 7 that no matter what setting (in-game) when adjusting for HDR brightness, the logo never disappears. The in-game brightness setting suggests to adjust in game brightness until the 1 in the box just disappears, which I have been able to set properly. Then for HDR brightness it says to adjust it to the right until the Forza 7 logo disappears. but on my set it never does. It is clearly visible at it's highest settings. I have my E7 in Game Mode, HDR, OLED 100, Contrast 100, Color at 55, Brightness at 50, Dynamic Contrast at Medium (at times low). I notice when I switch the picture settings to Vivid or Standard the Forza 7 logo does disappear, in the other modes like Game Mode, Cinema it does not. Strangely, in Forza Horizon 3, which they use almost the same type of screen to adjust for HDR the logo disappears slightly have way, where as in F7 it can be at one end or the other and the logo remains, it is lighter when it is to the far right, but according to the menu the logo should disappear like it does in Forza Horizon. It does work on my ZD9, so I wonder if there is something I am missing or can it be just the game and it not adjusting properly with the LG?
You can run 1080p game sources through a 4K AVR to eliminate the added input lag of 1080p sources.
Fuck, at first glance my TV was the last X930E the store had in stock. I'm chomping at the bits waiting for the hotline to open and trying to not be a softy like always. I paid a fucking respectable amount of money to buy a good TV, I don't see why I should put up with a slow replacement time.
That's the theory...
...but if they don't have the TV anymore I'm boned. The 930 is difficult to find in France at the discount level I had, I see it from a mile "we don't have the 930 anymore, we can exchange it for a 49" 900F or you can pay the difference and get the 55" 900F".
That's the theory...
...but if they don't have the TV anymore I'm boned. The 930 is difficult to find in France at the discount level I had, I see it from a mile "we don't have the 930 anymore, we can exchange it for a 49" 900F or you can pay the difference and get the 55" 900F".
I'm going to buy a budget soundbar for my Sony X900E and PS4 Pro. After going through some reviews I decided to go with Yamaha YAS-207. But the setup seems complicated to me as I don't have much knowledge about this. I listed some possible set up can anyone tell me pros and cons of each. What I want is soundbar can be used for both Tv (watching tv youtube, netflix etc.) and PS4 pro with the best quality. I want to make sure it can work as I expected before buying.
1. PS4 Pro -----HDMI-----> Soundbar -----HDMI2-----> Tv
I heard that the video signal might be degraded in some case 4k/HDR. Is that correct ?
2. TV <-----HDMI2----- PS4 Pro -----Optical-----> Soundbar
I think this setup is ok for output sound for ps4 only. It will not work with Tv in case watching Tv, youtube or netflix
3. PS4 Pro -----HDMI2----> TV -----Optical-----> Soundbar
This sound like the easiest option. But I'm not sure about the audio quality. Is it degrade when pass signal from ps4 to Tv then pass it again to the soundbar ?
4. PS4 Pro -----HDMI2----> TV ----->HDMI3-----> Soundbar
This is same as 3 but I'm not sure it will work or not?
The sound bar has only 1 input/output HDMI. If I buy other devices such as Apple tv, how can I pass all audio signal to the soundbar? And you have suggestion for better soundbar under 300$
1. PS4 Pro -----HDMI-----> Soundbar -----HDMI2-----> Tv
I heard that the video signal might be degraded in some case 4k/HDR. Is that correct ?
2. TV <-----HDMI2----- PS4 Pro -----Optical-----> Soundbar
I think this setup is ok for output sound for ps4 only. It will not work with Tv in case watching Tv, youtube or netflix
3. PS4 Pro -----HDMI2----> TV -----Optical-----> Soundbar
This sound like the easiest option. But I'm not sure about the audio quality. Is it degrade when pass signal from ps4 to Tv then pass it again to the soundbar ?
4. PS4 Pro -----HDMI2----> TV ----->HDMI3-----> Soundbar
This is same as 3 but I'm not sure it will work or not?
The sound bar has only 1 input/output HDMI. If I buy other devices such as Apple tv, how can I pass all audio signal to the soundbar? And you have suggestion for better soundbar under 300$
Do the AVR that propose this function make a decent job at it ? I mean, it sounds like a really nice way to reduce input lag on Sony TVs on paper.
As long as your TV does 5.1 passthrough you should be good doing the following:
connect sound bar to tv via optical or hdmi arc port. connect all other devices to tv via hdmi ports
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/5-1-surround-audio-passthrough
This is what I suggest:
PS4 Pro -----HDMI-----> Soundbar -----HDMI3-----> Tv.
This will ensure PS4 pro have the best sound (directly to sound bar) and it should not degrade your visuals b/c soundbar has 4K HDR passthrough. Not sure about lag though (depends on your soundbar). Soundbar to TV through HDMI 3 because that'll enable audio return channel (ARC), so everything plugged into the other TV HDMI ports will be routed to the soundbar directly, and you can control the soundbar volume with the tv remote. Optical and Arc don't give the best sound, so the other setups are not as preferable imo.
4 Should work in case the soundbar happen to degrade the visuals or lag too much. HDMI audio is better than optical, and you can control everything with one remote :).
Also make sure you turn on the full HDMI bandwith and ARC in the settings.
Depends on the AVR....
In my case yes and i actually prefer the upscaled image with the Switch for example.
Specific ones, but it's a standard introduced in 2009 so most avr include it nowadays. Since it caps out at 5.1, I heard they're introducing a new standard (called eARC) with HDMI 2.1.
This stud finder talk is giving me nightmares. I was trying to mount an extremely heavy headboard a couple of years back and bought two different stud finders. Both were awful at accurate readings. They would register a stud and to be certain I'd test again in a circle about an inch above, below, left and right. Always false positives etc
So when the time comes to mount my TV, all these stud finder people in here, what do I use?
So when the time comes to mount my TV, all these stud finder people in here, what do I use?
So I... growled a little ? grouched ? They don't have another 930 in stock and will have to ask Sony to send a unit. Magnificent, pay now to have your TV weeks later. The only upsides are that they handle shipping back the defect, that I'm still in the window to cancel my order totally, and that if Sony doesn't have 930 at their disposal they will replace the TV with a better model.
Now, as I'm used to my fucking luck, I already know the plan. Sony won't have 930 and will give me the newer 900F that is a slightly worse TV :-/
Man, imagine someone at Sony is in a terrific mood and replace it with one of the super high end set. Hey, a man can dream.
Now, as I'm used to my fucking luck, I already know the plan. Sony won't have 930 and will give me the newer 900F that is a slightly worse TV :-/
Man, imagine someone at Sony is in a terrific mood and replace it with one of the super high end set. Hey, a man can dream.
But if you buy your own stud finder you can do the stud finder gag whenever you want!
It seems a bit crazy to me there is no 930f this year, it performs better than its FALD LCDs so why wouldn't they persist with that tech?
For the same reasom they have stuck 2+ ywars with the Z9D... sometimes sales don't justify another version. They originally announced the 850 series tech would be down to 43" but that's been changed. I think the A8F while still continuing sales of the A1E and their HARD push of the 900F means they are looking towards either full FALD sets or OLED at thr high end. Who knows though we may still see something...
FALD is expensive to make, they still make nice margins, but no where near that of edge lit screens. Add to that more competition and their rising OLED division, Its a wonder we've even got up the a 930e/940e. Plus if there was ever a year to take off, this is the year. HMDI 2.1 is brining radical things with it, this year is a weird transition year that will be instantly obsolete next year.
I'm honestly amazed Samsung is even stepping it up this year, but they are approaching it with a "hybrid 2.0/2.1" feature set that at least someone makes the transition to 2.1 easier for their product lines.
On a side note, I feel like HDMI 2.1 really should be called HDMI 3.0. The features it brings with it are substantial, to me some of them are bigger than the jump from 1.4 to 2.0.
I fully believe they won't do that. They can't do that, right? Could you imagine waiting 2 years for the Z9H to have 2.1?
Why would they announce a Z9 successor now when they confirmed only two months ago, that the current version was going to be the flagship model again this year?
Prepare yourself, I'm really starting to think 2.1 isn't a lock for a 2019 either.
You have to figure a TV being unveiled in August is already complete from a design standpoint and 2.1 compliance testing still isn't available. I don't see how it's even feasible for the Z9 to have it.
Because they still want you to buy the Z9D in the meantime. They did the same 2 years ago. "The 940D is our flagship...but check out this new Z9D flagship!"
Heavily rumored but I agree with you. It would make sense to ensure it has 2.1
It's all just a question of whether the extra 5-6 months is what they need for the chips to be ready. If they are, it'll probably be included (assuming Sony can work out any other issues with the internals), if not, it won't be.
Honestly feeling a bit more this way myself. At the Samsung event within the last month (I forget where. Berlin maybe?), when asked about VRR and 2.1, Samsung was telling folks that VRR will be supported but not the rest of the spec, since the higher bandwidth receivers (or transmitters, i forget which) where still not available. And it's April already.
Thats become my stance as well. Its funny, now that I made the choice of "I'm going to wait", I've basically stopped gaming completely (other than Civ 6). I just cant play games in a sub optimal way. So I'll wait, and in a year buy everything and all the games I want right now will be on sale for like $10.
When you say sub-optimal, you mean not having VRR, and 2.1 in general? I'm testing my memory here, in the old world, you had a 75" 940D?
Annnnd that's it, as expected. "I have a bad news and a good news. The 930 is unavailable but I have their new model in stock, pricier but I will sell it to you for the same price. The 930F !"
Fuck. I don't know what to do, it's not like the 900F is a bad TV.
Fuck. I don't know what to do, it's not like the 900F is a bad TV.
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