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berzeli

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The Vincent-D'Onofrio-with-funny-facial-hair show™, sorry apparently it was;'Ghost Wars' Canceled After One Season At Syfy. Sorry again, it definitely was The Vincent-D'Onofrio-with-funny-facial-hair show™.
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Syfy has canceled the horror series Ghost Wars after its debut 13-episode season, Deadline has confirmed. The series premiered in October 2017.

Created by Simon Barry (Continuum, Van Helsing), Ghost Wars was an acquisition title for the cable network. Set in a remote Alaskan town that has been overrun by paranormal forces, the series focuses on local outcast Roman Mercer (Avan Jogia) who must overcome the town's prejudices and his own personal demons if he's to harness his repressed psychic powers and save everyone from the mass haunting that's threatening to destroy them all.
 

Rhaknar

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I take it this other supernatural ScyFy show Supersticion is also bad and most likely not renewed so theres no point in watching it?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What is up with Seal Teams scheduling, it takes a break after each episode.
Its really freaking annoying especially considering this like 9part arc its been on.

Part 1(January 31st)
>month break
2
3
>week break
4
5
>week break
6
>week break
7(April 25th)
8
9

Honestly im amazed its only been 6 so far, feels like it been dragged out to over 10 and that it started back before Christmas.
 
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The ratings for NCIS have definitely dropped over the years (more than some of the other network shows), but imo they still need to cancel LA and New Orleans first. Plus the fact that they don't have many longtime regulars probably means it's cheaper to make.

LA has been the MUCH better show over the past couple of seasons.
 
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Am I using this 3 day old tweet as an excuse to shill for Killing Eve? Yes. But it's also kinda interesting, unfortunately he doesn't mention which the other shows were and I'm too lazy to do research.
 

firehawk12

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Its really freaking annoying especially considering this like 9part arc its been on.

Part 1(January 31st)
>month break
2
3
>week break
4
5
>week break
6
>week break
7(April 25th)
8
9

Honestly im amazed its only been 6 so far, feels like it been dragged out to over 10 and that it started back before Christmas.
Remember how peak TV was supposed to kill scheduling like this after people started doing shorter runs of more shows? lol
 

Chitown B

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In related news my Starz subscription cancelled :p

I can't understand why they would cancel unless Starz is really hurting for money. It's one of their biggest series, in a field of very few. Sucks.

However I will say this season has been a let down. I didn't like what they made of the characters, and I am still sore about last season's finale where Kelly should have been his daughter (they set it up ALL SEASON) but stupid Tapert screwed it up vindictively. Also I didn't like Paolo with powers. I just wanted him to be the regular comic relief.

Do we know if Ash vs Evil Dead is expected to come to a reasonable conclusion or will it end on a cliffhanger?

If you watch the preview for the finale it looks pretty "wrap up" heavy. However there's no way they conclude the character. Bruce will want the option to continue Evil Dead until he's literally dead.
 

Curler

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I don't watch Starz/Showcase. Just AMC/HBO for me for premium channels. They both have content year-wide I watch.

Recently got the Hulu tv sub (after some shuffling) and some of the insta-DVR stuff it has for shows in queue is great! No more waiting an extra day! Hope I can help contribute to more ratings, now.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm guessing Lethal Weapon, Lucifer or Scorpion.

Star -- No important men on the show, so they could just toss out the problematic person.
Chicago Med -- Who on that show can't be replaced?
Prison Break -- Nah. They are currently not working on the show so it can't be a new thing.
Blacklist -- If James Spader is a problem, he would have been already for years. He keeps getting high profile shows so I don't think it is him.
Good Girls -- No important men on the show, so they could just toss out the problematic person.

Lethal Weapon for the win:

http://tvline.com/2018/04/23/lethal-weapon-season-3-cancellation-clayne-crawfords-behavior/
 
Oct 28, 2017
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So sad Scandal is over

I've absolutely hated this show in recent seasons. I only watch it because I want to finish what I started. Still haven't got around to the midseason premiere as I'm sick of watching "Olivia is the best person who ever lived." Does it at least end well? Will definitely get around to it sometime this month.

Poor Timeless, I'm loving it but there doesn't seem to be any hope for it.

There was never hope for it. Timeless was killed last season rightfully. That we got another season anyway is a blessing and you should count yourself lucky. You can guarantee execs aren't going to make that mistake again any time soon.

I do love the show.
 

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Am I using this 3 day old tweet as an excuse to shill for Killing Eve? Yes. But it's also kinda interesting, unfortunately he doesn't mention which the other shows were and I'm too lazy to do research.


Happy to see quality succeed~

I can't understand why they would cancel unless Starz is really hurting for money. It's one of their biggest series, in a field of very few.

Uh, no it isn't.


Teddy no :(
 

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'Westworld' Season 2 Premiere Ratings Steady With Series Debut
After a year-and-a-half break, HBO's drama Westworld opened its second season with 2.1 million viewers at 9 PM Sunday night. That was up 5% from the AI series' linear debut in fall 2016. With the same-night replay and streaming on HBO GO/NOW factored in, the Season 2 opener's viewership grew to 3 million viewers. That was a tad below the 3.3 average for the series premiere, which included two premiere night replays vs. one for the Season 2 opener.

Vs. the Season 1 overage, the Season 2 debut of Westworld was up 13%.

Delayed viewing plays a major role in the cume for Westworld, whose first season garnered nearly 80% of its audience post-premiere night, lifting its average to a record 13.2 million viewers, the biggest debut season of any series in HBO's history. On digital platforms, the sophomore drama draws the second biggest premiere night viewing behind mega hit Game of Thrones.
 

kevin1025

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can someone tell us what this is for those of us who can't see Twitter embeds at work?

Bruce Campbell saying he's retired as Ash.

Yeah, but it's always sad seeing someone walk away from an iconic character. He probably got tired of constantly being on the bubble.

Very true. I'll definitely miss it, especially with what that fourth season potentially could have been based on that article.
 

RatskyWatsky

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Vulture - Overly Long Episodes Are the Manspreading of TV

Interminable TV episodes are the manspreading of television storytelling. In precisely the same way that a man sits down on a public row of seats and happily relaxes into a pose that takes up as much real estate as physically possible, the trend of protracted TV episodes is a battle for viewer eyeballs that equates significance with bulk.

It's hard not to watch much of Westworld and not feel at least a little frustrated with a show that has so little compunction about its own obtrusive length.

In the (rare) instances where an episode fully uses and needs over 60 minutes, I'm perfectly happy to cede the time. But again and again, overly long TV episodes feel like self-important prestige signaling, more about muscle (and budget) flexing than they are about the best way to serve a story. They take up narrative space with all the blithe obliviousness of a story that assumes it's the most important, most worthy thing you're doing with your time. Long TV episodes imply they deserve that extra space — after all, they're significant, quality TV. And bigger equals better.

But this is not just a Westworld problem. It started on cable, where a prestige drama on HBO meant a full hour-long runtime rather than the measly 43 minutes granted to an episode on commercial television. The prestige signaling of HBO's "we're not TV" then drifted over to FX, where runtime bloat touched series like Nip/Tuck and The Shield, and then became especially noticeable on FX's Sons of Anarchy. Midway through its run, Sons began to abjure its supposed hour timeslot and made a habit of moseying into a full 90-minute scheduling block. In talking about the unique scheduling for the series, a Variety piece pointed directly to the influence — and the prestige and "quality" implications — of longer runtimes on premium cable. Letting an episode of Sons relax into a 55-minute total length, bulked out to 90 minutes with commercials, "gives [FX] a chance to keep up with the creative scope of HBO and Showtime, which aren't forced to cut into their series with commercial breaks." Longer episodes mean more "creative scope." Longer episodes are how you know something's important.

The problem is now endemic to a whole cohort of muscular, more-important-than-regular-TV TV series. FX's Legion, ostensibly an hour-long commercial cable show, hits 61 minutes in its season two premiere, and many of its first season episodes topped 50. The same is true for FX's other Noah Hawley drama, Fargo, and FX's The Americans is another frequent offender, although I'd argue it's also one of the few shows to really earn its extra time. On USA, Mr. Robot's season three finale hit 57 minutes. It's the same situation for TNT's The Alienist and its crime-family drama Animal Kingdom. And the original premium cable timeslot busters have relaxed even further into the slide toward immensity. There's Westworld and Game of Thrones, but even underwhelming entries like Here and Now tip over the 60 minute mark. The Vinyl pilot was a full two hours.

That underlying sense that long things are worthier has drifted into streaming television, where it's taken root as a kind of fundamental operating assumption.

It's time to see TV manspreading for what it is — self-indulgent, gratuitous, and often actively detrimental to telling a good story. TV has gotten too comfortable with its own excess, and I am here to reclaim my time.

More at the link.
 

kevin1025

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Sons of Anarchy was the worst offender, as mentioned. It felt like those extra minutes went into an extra montage or super indulgent scene rather than story, haha.

I used to really look forward to seeing longer episodes since it potentially meant it was more important or carried a bigger story point. But now, when a good number of shows are doing it, it's less special.
 

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I have to admit, I got a thrill when I saw this headline in Feedly last night.

She is 1000% correct. I don't even know if I'll ever watch the season 2 premiere of Westworld. That shit doesn't need to be any longer than 45 minutes.

As long as the episode is good, that's all I care about. In the case of Westworld, it's likely worth it if they keep the quality up.
 
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Yeah I read this earlier (but apparently I forgot to post it). She's definitely not wrong, now I don't mind slow paced shows so that's not my gripe with the longer runtimes. Hell it's not even the longer runtimes in and of themselves, there have been a few TV shows with 90 min runtimes here that are exceedingly well paced and terrific. It's that most creative teams seemingly don't know how to handle this "newfound" lack of constraint and don't kill enough of their darlings so we just end up with bloated episodes.
I think this factors in to why I love The Good Fight so much, it has all the trappings of your traditional "prestige TV" show but it keeps the incredibly tight pacing from its trad. broadcast network sister show.
 

RatskyWatsky

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Speaking of the Good Fight -

CBS All Access Launches In Canada, Marking First Expansion Outside The U.S.

CBS All Access will offer Canadian viewers 7,500 commercial-free episodes of programming, including current seasons of some of the network's prime-time shows, entire previous seasons and "classic" programming. Subscribers who pay a monthly fee of $6 Canadian also will be able to live stream CBSN, the network's 24-hour live streaming news service.

One original series that helped drive subscriber growth in the U.S., Star Trek: Discovery, won't be included in the Canadian version of CBS All Access, because it's licensed to another distributor, Bell Canada.
 

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Yowzer at that Lethal Weapon article in Deadline. If you have to resort to getting an article in Deadline Hollywood detailing the awful behaviour of one of your leads then that really is the nuclear option. I'm not sure I can remember a scenario where a show (clearly leaked by the studio or network.., or both!) has gone to the press regarding issues with a cast member and then continued as is.

I really enjoy the Lethal Weapon TV series and while I do like Crawford's Riggs it feels like he's the replaceable element on the show given how Murtaugh's family are the emotional core of the series. If Martin Starr wasn't working on The Boys for Amazon he'd be a perfect replacement.
 
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