You guys are angry at yo-yo decision of cutting the throath of the person who cut 2 of her limbs before when she thought it would prevent the world from blowing up ??
#Teamyoyo , #teamlemon
#Teamyoyo , #teamlemon
YoYo was also pretty out of her mind with pain, though.That's not true. YoYo straight took a few moments to think through whether she should do it or not. It wasn't just for revenge, as indicated by her realization that Ruby is the (current?) Destroyer of Worlds.
The problem with this logic is "judge, jury, executioner," all in one package. It's also really to say someone deserves to die when you don't have to pull the trigger. On top of this, Daisy isn't wrong about Ruby: she was raised to be a weapon without any choice of her own. She was bred to be the Destroyer from day fucking one. She'd also be a pretty great fighter on their side, but she 100% believes that the gravitonium is hers because she's had that belief hammered into her head. She doesn't fully understand what's happening and that's her partially her fault for not actually bothering to look outside of her own bratty needs, but also her mother's fault for railroading her down a dark tunnel with blinders on regarding information and education.She knew exactly what she was doing and I'm glad she did. Stupid comic trope of talking down powerful evil psychopaths always backfires. I thought they were going with that old trope until YoYo turned it on its head. Like most of the evil comic villains should be shot on sight at this point.
1) This has zero to do with "plot armor," a term I've come to loath over the years. She was trying to talk her down.
2) Fitz was willing to prepare it to save Jemma. If you'd been paying attention, Jemma and Fitz have been saying they won't be separated ever again. Which means they'll do anything to save each other. Plus I think they were expecting everything to blow up in Ruby and Strucker's faces due to gravitonium being unwieldy, as evidenced by their surprise when it got moved to Ruby's chamber.
They basically said in this very episode that they don't give a fuck, they are putting each other's lives before everything else.
Hale and Ruby had very slightly calm Ruby down enough to make me think that they could have talked her down given more time.
You also have to factor in what killing Ruby might do. She was just infused with an unstable element. We have no clue what happened because she died. We saw that wave come out from her (that you could see happening from a mile away) and then disappear. Maybe that causes the world to break apart.
As for the Fitz stuff it's more in regards to him being willing to operate on Daisy against her will to save the future but not being willing to sacrifice himself and Simmons despite the fact they believe they're immortal and the future can't be changed? The original reason he gave for fixing the chamber in the prior ep was him saying the outcome would be the same no matter what, yet at the same time he's afraid him and Simmons could die? I thought the whole point of the Daisy torture was to show his pragmatism was unshakeable, now he's showing he wouldn't being to make the decision he forced Daisy to take if it was him of Simmons at risk and just comes across as a hypocrite?
don't know, I just think the writing took a major dive in the last couple of episodes.
You guys are angry at yo-yo decision of cutting the throath of the person who cut 2 of her limbs before when she thought it would prevent the world from blowing up ??
#Teamyoyo , #teamlemon
I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally making Daisy unlikable in this arc or not. She's all over the place on her judgement, yet the script keeps screaming "she's the leader!!!" Yes, it's pretty much her first time really given the weight of command, and fuck-ups are to be expected, but those are supposed to be identified as such. The apprentice gets thrust into command, makes brash, wrong decisions, the master returns, scolds them for those decisions, but the apprentice learns and grows from the experience. That's how it's supposed to happen. Only, here, Daisy fucks up, Coulson returns, and just gives her a 'it's hard, but you're doing well' thing, and that's it.
So we get Coulson seriously violating her, and she's all "whatever". Then Fitz does it, and she acts like there can never be redemption for him (which ignores their entire history). Then she watches a girl who was genetically engineered and raised to be evil incarnate crush someone's skull, attack her own mother, attack HER, and is like "oh, she's so innocent, I was getting through to her! She can't be blamed for her actions!" Completely ignoring the fact that Ruby sliced Yo-Yo's arms off and attempted to kill Fitz, Simmons, Coulson, and others BEFORE infusing with the gravitonium.
"I had it under control, she was coming around..." yeah, fuck you and your self-righteous revisionist bullshit...especially the way she says "..and then Yo-Yo KILLED her."
I'm not sure if the writers are intentionally making Daisy unlikable in this arc or not. She's all over the place on her judgement, yet the script keeps screaming "she's the leader!!!" Yes, it's pretty much her first time really given the weight of command, and fuck-ups are to be expected, but those are supposed to be identified as such. The apprentice gets thrust into command, makes brash, wrong decisions, the master returns, scolds them for those decisions, but the apprentice learns and grows from the experience. That's how it's supposed to happen. Only, here, Daisy fucks up, Coulson returns, and just gives her a 'it's hard, but you're doing well' thing, and that's it.
So we get Coulson seriously violating her, and she's all "whatever". Then Fitz does it, and she acts like there can never be redemption for him (which ignores their entire history). Then she watches a girl who was genetically engineered and raised to be evil incarnate crush someone's skull, attack her own mother, attack HER, and is like "oh, she's so innocent, I was getting through to her! She can't be blamed for her actions!" Completely ignoring the fact that Ruby sliced Yo-Yo's arms off and attempted to kill Fitz, Simmons, Coulson, and others BEFORE infusing with the gravitonium.
"I had it under control, she was coming around..." yeah, fuck you and your self-righteous revisionist bullshit...especially the way she says "..and then Yo-Yo KILLED her."
ICEing her to get her to the past
ICEing her to get her to the past
Which is not at all on the same tier of what Fitz did
Sorry, but they're close to identical. In both cases Daisy had made a clear decision which was ignored by rendering her helpless. Yes, it's easy to see what Fitz did as worse because of the visceral nature of it, and because Daisy was given a voice during the scene, but if it had played out with Fitz knocking her out completely, quietly performing surgery on her, then, when she woke up, informing her that her powers are back, then I think more people would understand how the two situations are the same.ICEing her to get her to the past
Which is not at all on the same tier of what Fitz did
They aren't the same. Reducing the situation to simply removing Daisy's choice makes them the same, but there's a greater nuance to it that does make them different. Look at how quickly Daisy got over being ICEd. She wasn't traumatized by it. She was like, "yeah that makes sense that you'd do that thing."Sorry, but they're close to identical. In both cases Daisy had made a clear decision which was ignored by rendering her helpless. Yes, it's easy to see what Fitz did as worse because of the visceral nature of it, and because Daisy was given a voice during the scene, but if it had played out with Fitz knocking her out completely, quietly performing surgery on her, then, when she woke up, informing her that her powers are back, then I think more people would understand how the two situations are the same.
ICEing her to get her to the past
Which is not at all on the same tier of what Fitz did
but if it had played out with Fitz knocking her out completely, quietly performing surgery on her, then, when she woke up, informing her that her powers are back, then I think more people would understand how the two situations are the same.
Exactly. What-ifs are nonsense in this scenario.
They are connected.Show is poor now, same locations every week, and about to be backed into a corner by Infinity War. Whilst we know the movies couldn't care less what happens in TV land, the TV arm of Marvel has desperately clung onto the belief for years that they're actually connected...but Infinity War will (sadly, admittedly) eviscerate that very notion.
I've said it before, it is a shame that the movie division couldn't have Martin Freeman, or Benedict Cumberbatch (seasoned TV performers) pay a visit to at least keep some sort of pretence going but that's just how it is.
I know this show has it's fans on here, and I'll continue to watch, but this season feels such a slog right now.
I've been saying, Fitz is basically Wesley.The second half of this season is giving me huge vibes of Angel season 4. Very dark with a number of characters crossing over that shade of grey.
I shouldn't
No need to get upset because others view things very differently chaps. All about opinions.
No need to get upset because others view things very differently chaps. All about opinions.
That's not the point. There's literally no reason for people to keep saying "it's not connected." So what if it doesn't affect the movies? Like, they're still connected. There's a disdain for this that I don't understand and never will.No need to get upset because others view things very differently chaps. All about opinions.
There is no pretense. It is connected. It takes place in the same universe, and there's no reason to say otherwise.There's no disdain on my part whatsoever? There's nothing I would love more than for the MCU's cinematic tales to be carried on through it's TV narratives, I've even theorised in this thread before about ways in which it could or should happen, but nothing the TV division ever does will have any sort of serious impact on the movies. That's sadly just how it is. We'd all like to keep up the pretence that there's a solid connection, but there isn't. If you choose to believe they're connected that's absolutely fair enough, many others choose not to. Marvel Studios make too much money to give even a second thought to what the TV shows are doing.
And again, as I've said before, it's unfortunate. I'd love for the likes of Punisher and Kingpin to take the step up to the big screen as there are so many stories these characters could be pivotal in, played brilliantly by Bernthal and D'Onofrio - stars with a proven box office track record. But it's important to realise that either actor could be dropped within seconds if Marvel wanted to bring their own take to cinemas.
But it's important to realise that either actor could be dropped within seconds if Marvel wanted to bring their own take to cinemas.
This is boring.There's no disdain on my part whatsoever? There's nothing I would love more than for the MCU's cinematic tales to be carried on through it's TV narratives, I've even theorised in this thread before about ways in which it could or should happen, but nothing the TV division ever does will have any sort of serious impact on the movies. That's sadly just how it is. We'd all like to keep up the pretence that there's a solid connection, but there isn't. If you choose to believe they're connected that's absolutely fair enough, many others choose not to. Marvel Studios make too much money to give even a second thought to what the TV shows are doing.
And again, as I've said before, it's unfortunate. I'd love for the likes of Punisher and Kingpin to take the step up to the big screen as there are so many stories these characters could be pivotal in, played brilliantly by Bernthal and D'Onofrio - stars with a proven box office track record. But it's important to realise that either actor could be dropped within seconds if Marvel wanted to bring their own take to cinemas.
It doesn't seem like they're tying in this season. If there's a tie-in, it'll likely be after a renewal as a post-season stinger.
It doesn't seem like they're tying in this season. If there's a tie-in, it'll likely be after a renewal as a post-season stinger.
The producers mentioned they're very, very excited to do S6 if given the opportunity. (I have not seen it yet, but am aware of the A4 casting leak)I'm not going to spoil anything however the film has been out in Australia for a day now and after watching it they will 100% need to address it in agents of shield. I'm really looking forward to next weeks episode now. Complete game changer
How reliable is Cancel Bear? The person thinks that Agents is "likely to be renewed by May 2018."
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/re...-week-30-the-crossing-will-probably-get-lost/
I'm not going to spoil anything however the film has been out in Australia for a day now and after watching it they will 100% need to address it in agents of shield. I'm really looking forward to next weeks episode now. Complete game changer
How reliable is Cancel Bear? The person thinks that Agents is "likely to be renewed by May 2018."
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/re...-week-30-the-crossing-will-probably-get-lost/
Given the casting leak for A4, there's definitely some amount of time between the two movies.The problem with adressing Infinity War is that there is a year long wait between now and Avengers 4. If A4 takes place immediately after IW, I doubt AoS would be able to deal with IW's fallout.
Given the casting leak for A4, there's definitely some amount of time between the two movies.
I'd be surprised if it was time travel, since they let AoS use it for S5 and Captain Marvel is clearly gonna have some sort of time travel/dilation/carbonite thing going on.I thought that indicated time travel, but A4 actually taking place years later would be way more interesting.
I'm not going to spoil anything however the film has been out in Australia for a day now and after watching it they will 100% need to address it in agents of shield. I'm really looking forward to next weeks episode now. Complete game changer
I'm not going to spoil anything however the film has been out in Australia for a day now and after watching it they will 100% need to address it in agents of shield. I'm really looking forward to next weeks episode now. Complete game changer