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PanickyFool

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not sure what the bullet train project has to do with this, it's nowhere near start of build. At most you could say the projected cost has increased, which is completely different than overruns.
CAHSR is under construction now.

And a predictable disaster.

This is not going on and has reported as to not the driving issue. Like in NJ, the governors office has continued to borrow and underfund the transit groups.

NJT is a very different beast than MTA.
 

dragonbane

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Oct 26, 2017
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I also visited NYC in 2012 before the storm and felt the subway was pretty awesome. But yeah I guess I got even worse now and I didn't have to deal with it daily
 

faceless

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Oct 25, 2017
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i was back in NYC last spring and the Subway is probably worse on paper than when i lived there but it sure FEELS way better due to the shitshow that driving is now with 70% of cars on the road being Uber and Lyft drivers

a sea of ... what's the plural of Prius?
 

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Oct 28, 2017
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New York City must spend the money to replace it. Manhattan can't shut down. No fucking way.
 

Jimrpg

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Oct 26, 2017
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Im surprised the signal system costs 27 billion and replacing all the cars cost only 3 billion.
 
Dec 4, 2017
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A metro system running 24/7 sounds really weird. Ridership during the 1 a.m. - 6 a.m. Mo - Thu interval is minuscule. The metro is quite likely losing money by keeping the trains running in that period.
I can see a point for keeping them on Friday night to Sunday night, but every day? That can't be efficient.
 

PanickyFool

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Oct 25, 2017
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A metro system running 24/7 sounds really weird. Ridership during the 1 a.m. - 6 a.m. Mo - Thu interval is minuscule. The metro is quite likely losing money by keeping the trains running in that period.
The marginal cost of running a additional train on a metro system is extremely low. Despite the fact that the subway traine have 1 useless employee on each train.

The real cost of a 24/7 service is the maintenance cost on the right of way. With no dedicated down time for maintenance track workers are extremely low productivity. 2 minutes of waiting for train to pass for every 1 minute of work.

But the unions like it that way because low productivity = more workers
 
Dec 4, 2017
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The marginal cost of running a additional train on a metro system is extremely low. Despite the fact that the subway traine have 1 useless employee on each train.
I'm not just talking about merely running an extra train. Around here, when closing time comes, everything is powered down. The rails get switched off, the stations are closed and switched off. There have to be some electricity bill savings from not having all that infrastructure powered 24/7.
 

Paresh

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Oct 31, 2017
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What medieval station is this?

London say hai!
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Crispy75

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Oct 25, 2017
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Those Elizabeth Line CGIs are very nice, but they conveniently omit the acres of advertising and hoards of commuters. You won't be seeing much of that sleek white finish when it opens in December!
 

Yung Coconut

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Oct 31, 2017
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London is easily the best subway I've been in.

the BART is so ridiculously expensive. same with MUNI. really makes it just smarter to drive into the city if you have a group.

I don't think getting stuck for a couple hours in Emeryville and on the bridge is worth it to save a couple bucks. And then dealing with parking... Especially if you're just visiting the city and don't live there. That could be $30 for a parking garage or 30 minutes trying to find a spot if the neighborhood is actually safe to park in. No, just no. Bart is worth every cent over driving.
 

surr

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Oct 27, 2017
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I take BART for my commute. I come from the peninsula side though so I don't see the shitshow that is the east bay side.

It's dirty but it works. They really need to get the new trains running system wide though.
 

RedValkyrie

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Oct 27, 2017
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If you work hours is 9-5 your pretty much have to subway to manhattan even if you work in Wall St.

There are railway/express bus connecting rich upstate/long island neighborhood to the 2-3 main train stations but then you still have to take subway for the last leg.
Express buses serve every single borough, not just LI. They run every 15 mins during rush hour and hourly off peak. Hours of operation end at around midnight.

When I was working in the city I used it daily. It was worth the cost (double the price of a single fare) instead of having to deal with overcrowded trains and buses.

Obviously cost would be a problem for a lot of people.
 
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BrokenBox

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Oct 26, 2017
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Maybe mentioned in the thread, but can they throw a few extra bucks in and do James Murphy's subway chimes project, too?
 

Lifendz

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Oct 27, 2017
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I work downtown and live in Queens. The daily commute via subway was going to kill me. I discovered the express bus and while it's 3.75 more each way, it's worth every penny if only for the fact that the homeless stink that seems to waft in every subway car isn't present.
 

Shadowrun

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Oct 26, 2017
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Speaking of falling apart, a bunch of Subway lines are just straight up not running this morning in NYC. Fun stuff!
 

Sulik2

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Oct 27, 2017
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This would imply a $720b loss of economic output yearly if the monthly figure is to be extrapolated linearly. This would imply a direct hit of 42% of GDP due to loss of subway. I find this to be highly unlikely.

If people can't get around the city commerce stops. That seems pretty accurate to me for how much of a disruption that would cause.
 

LQX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Knowing NY it will probably cost double that. They have been fixing this shit since forever.

That said, please stop comparing the NY subway system to modern day subway systems. If not as old, most are not as intensive as NY subways which pretty much can take you close to anywhere in the city. Moreover, it is mostly all underground. There is a ridiculous amount of stations.
 

PanickyFool

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Oct 25, 2017
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not as old, most are not as intensive as NY subways which pretty much can take you close to anywhere in the city. Moreover, it is mostly all underground. There is a ridiculous amount of stations.
The Paris Metro and London Underground both disprove this statement. The "its different, this is New York" is such an incredibly arrogant statement that we New Yorkers hide behind.
 

Paresh

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Oct 31, 2017
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OMG I am having a cascade reaction! I got to personally preview the new London subway system AKA Crossrail set to open later this year.

I got a chance to preview the new stations and platforms at Tottenham Court Road Station before they open later this year. It was like walking down the corridors of the Star Ship Enterprise. All clean, white with departure time signs on OLED screens no less! I posted pictures above that were renders but I got a chance to see the real deal and it just blew my mind.

This guy Geoff does some cool videos and he happened to be there same day. Here is what he had to show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKC-QBxbdj4

Andy Byford who ran the London system whose watch Crossrail took place now works for the MTA to give the NY Subway a much needed shake up and to reset that era too. I hope he does for NY what he has for London.
 
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