Supernatural Season 13 |OT| Lucky Number 13. And We Gotta Keep Fiction Happy.

Really good episode. I like what they've done with Rowena. There are no tricks here. She cares about the Winchesters, especially Sam, and she's really trying to be a better person.

And really, the WInchesters are in no place to judge another person for the things they do to bring someone back from the dead.

I also love the big shock that Naomi is alive. It's so refreshing to see the writers finally bringing people back, for real, rather than killing everyone.

It's also good that Sam actually kind of matters again.

B-Dubs said:

They knew him for like 2 days and after what happened with Sam can you blame them? Dude was in the cage for like 20 minutes and he got all kinds of fucked up.

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Still, they promised they'd keep him safe. The Angels straight up told him the boys would fuck him over, he believed the boys would save him, they fucked him over. Even IF they only knew him a couple days, he is still their half brother, and they promised to help keep him safe. Sam was fucked up because Lucifer(and presumably Michael too, but I now doubt Michael did anything because it was said he was being a little bitch corrowing the corner) tortured the living hell(no pun intended?) of him. If anything Adam is probably in the other corner going "why the fuck did I trust those fuckers?!" I doubt he got tortured. Then again maybe Lucifer did fuck him up too, who knows. What bothers me is how he got brought up that one time during the musical, and never again since. Lucifer didn't want to taunt the boys about it? The boys didn't ask about him? What's going on...come to think of it, I think he was actually brought up somewhat recently. Idr if he was though, was he? Am I imagining things?

B-Dubs said:

You're making a lot of assumptions about how he was treated.

The fact is he doesn't get brought up because of two reasons:

1. they never had any sort of real bond with him, they might have been related but they weren't family
2. there's no way to save him

The boys don't save people they said they would all the time.

Even leaving all that aside, he was nothing more than a plot device. They get him out, then what? His story goes nowhere, he was created specifically to get Michael a host for the season five finale. Even if they decided to just rehash what happened with Sam, why should we as viewers care? He was around for two episodes.

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Of course I'm making assumptions we know nothing; which is why I looked at it both ways lol. Send him to Heaven, they went to Hell to get Bobby. They were able to summon Lucifer from the cage. They met GOD they could have asked God to help him in one way or another. They didn't even bother to ask anything about him, all we know is Michael couldn't fight because he was too messed up. Is it too much to ask for a little closure about the guy? I just want him to be in Heaven or some shit to know he's at peace again. We saw Ash in Heaven and that was enough closure for me.

I don't really understand why people expect the brothers to go after Adam. I guess it would be nice if they mentioned him more but what were they supposed to do?

He isn't Adam. He's Michael. What are they expected to do exactly? Go into Hell, into the actual cage, kick Michael out of Adam and bring Adam topside?

But let's be honest: with the way the writers are finally returning to so many old elements (Lucifer, the Colt, Gabriel, yellow eyed demons, an alternate version of Michael, etc.) I think it's pretty likely we see Adam/Michael again soon, if not in the finale.

It's weird as fuck they don't ever mention Adam.

hurlex said:

It's weird as fuck they don't ever mention Adam.

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To be fair, the show itself made fun of that in season 10's 200th episode.

And Lucifer gave the brothers an update in season 11 when they visited him in the cage: he's a drooling mess, driven crazy in the cage.

B-Dubs said:

Bobby and Ash were pretty important characters with a lot of screentime. Again, we saw Adam for like two episodes. He's not that important. Dude's a plot device.

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Well, yeah I guess. But i still want a little closure ;_;.

ZeoVGM said:

To be fair, the show itself made fun of that in season 10's 200th episode.

And Lucifer gave the brothers an update in season 11 when they visited him in the cage: he's a drooling mess, driven crazy in the cage.

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Wait really? idr that. Are you talking about when they summoned him out of the cage into that other cage?

God Himself decided not to bother. So yeah, he ain't coming back.

At least they don't regularly shit on him like they do John.

DarkHeartedKill said:

Well, yeah I guess. But i still want a little closure ;_;.



Wait really? idr that. Are you talking about when they summoned him out of the cage into that other cage?

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Yep. Lucifer tells Sam that the cage has driven Michael insane and that he is curled up in a corner "singing show tunes and touching himself."

Septimus Prime said:

God Himself decided not to bother. So yeah, he ain't coming back.

At least they don't regularly shit on him like they do John.

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O yeah. I sorta get why they don't show John, with the actor being really busy with other stuff at the moment, but they could at least mention him in one way or another. I do sorta like the silent proud look he gave the boys before disappearing though.

ZeoVGM said:

Yep. Lucifer tells Sam that the cage has driven Michael insane and that he is curled up in a corner "singing show tunes and touching himself."

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O I thought you were talking about Adam

Adam matters to me goddamnit, get him out of that damn cage already. Adam will bother me till the end of my days.

Anyone else here think this season has been largely boring? I've been a huge fan of Supernatural for all these years including the bad seasons but man I feel like season 13 has been a real chore to get through. Wasn't a huge fan of 12 either. :(

Kschreck said:

Anyone else here think this season has been largely boring? I've been a huge fan of Supernatural for all these years including the bad seasons but man I feel like season 13 has been a real chore to get through. Wasn't a huge fan of 12 either. :(

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It's had its moments, but it's tough to disagree. Large parts of it have been boring, and honestly most of the stuff in the other realm is. I'm two or three episodes behind now, as the last one I saw was Scoobynatural.

Kschreck said:

Anyone else here think this season has been largely boring? I've been a huge fan of Supernatural for all these years including the bad seasons but man I feel like season 13 has been a real chore to get through. Wasn't a huge fan of 12 either. :(

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Season 11 was an anomally with how good it was that late into the series

But I'm enjoying this season more than the last by a lot

I hope God and Darkness return

Had no idea the angel situation was that bad. Literally a handful, instead of what I figured to be hundreds. Makes sending them after an archangel's nephilim in such an aggro way even more stupid considering the risks and their barely existent numbers.

Kschreck said:

Anyone else here think this season has been largely boring? I've been a huge fan of Supernatural for all these years including the bad seasons but man I feel like season 13 has been a real chore to get through. Wasn't a huge fan of 12 either. :(

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Nope, not at all. 12 and 13 have been great. I think I would actually put them both above season 11. The characterization under the Andrew Dabb has been top notch. Season 11 was a return to greatness but with 12 and 13, it's felt like the show became fresh again.

I like this season more than last, actually. While the Men of Letters is an excellent concept, it kind of falls apart in execution whenever they try to do anything with it. I think a major problem is that, for a group with so much knowledge and tech, it makes no sense that they would be wiped out.
I also like that they adding a lot of new lore that no one knows about (even if I do have some quibbles about some of it).

I think the only thing that isn't too my liking is that we hardly see regular monsters and new monsters anymore. It's just angels, demons, and the common werewolves and vampires. They haven't needed to do research in some time.

Also, regarding the angel situation, what about reapers? Or are they not angels again?

Septimus Prime said:

I like this season more than last, actually. While the Men of Letters is an excellent concept, it kind of falls apart in execution whenever they try to do anything with it. I think a major problem is that, for a group with so much knowledge and tech, it makes no sense that they would be wiped out.
I also like that they adding a lot of new lore that no one knows about (even if I do have some quibbles about some of it).

I think the only thing that isn't too my liking is that we hardly see regular monsters and new monsters anymore. It's just angels, demons, and the common werewolves and vampires. They haven't needed to do research in some time.

Also, regarding the angel situation, what about reapers? Or are they not angels again?

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Yea I hate that they got wiped out. We're We'r in the bunker? I doubt all of em were at that rank up ritual. Seems like only the ones getting a rank up, and the leaders would be there. It makes sense they didn't see her coming, they probably thought all the Knights were dead.


Reapers being Angels pissed me off so much. Such stupidity that makes absolutely zero sense. But damn I guess leviathan cas mixed with the fall(not really sure why some died and some lived. Did they ever explain how some died from merely falling?) Caused the numbers to dwindle. Just go into the empty and wake them all up not that hard people :p

Kschreck said:

Anyone else here think this season has been largely boring? I've been a huge fan of Supernatural for all these years including the bad seasons but man I feel like season 13 has been a real chore to get through. Wasn't a huge fan of 12 either. :(

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I thought 12 was mostly really weak, 13 has been hit or miss when it's great it's great when it isn't it's really damn boring. S13 and S12 even kind of blend together in my mind.

I would like it if the season ends with the angels almost completely wiped out. Keep Cas alive, maybe Gabriel and that is it. Have heaven powered up solely by Jack.

I think the problem with this season isn't that it's bad it's that it's unfocused in the most unfortunate way. The season is filled with plot hooks that would be interesting enough on their own but it seems to under utilize them and just keep changing the plot on us. I mean the progression makes sense right? We go from raising jack to be good and strong enough to rescue mary to losing jack so they need to find an alternative way to get there which eventually lands them with gabriel which is held captive by azmodeus. Then you have the ridiculously minor plot line of the angels going extinct suddenly thrust into the front line, the empty wasn't even mentioned again.

On top of all of this now we need to keep heavens lights on, find lucifer (who has also had a really weird story thread this whole season), not to mention that we also have the whole evil alternate universe michael thing and the war of the alt timeline, and we also have the ever ongoing episodes about the men of letters. Oh snd I guess ketch.

It all feels like too much.
Compare that with season 4 which was just
1) Main plot was about the 66 seals to free lucifer
2) Major sub plot was sam falling to the influence of demon blood
3) Secondary sub plot was angels vs demons

That's nice and clear. It feels like we haven't had a season that clearly designed in years.

Joni said:

I would like it if the season ends with the angels almost completely wiped out. Keep Cas alive, maybe Gabriel and that is it. Have heaven powered up solely by Jack.

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Would be a good way to deal with him being overpowered

Yeah I agree with Not spaceghost.
And I feel like I'm starting to forget some plots

To recap what i remember in bullet points, if I missed some, feel free to reply!
1. Rowena storyline that they advanced pretty well with last episode but that they opened up with Sam will kill her. Not happening soon though
2. There still the 'cosmic consequence' thing and death plan about dean.
3.The empty I totally forgot about.
4.The alternative world.
4.1 subplot finding gabriel
4.2 subplot michael invading earth.
4.3 subplot saving Mary (and others)
5. Lucifers story on its own
6. Jack story arc (and yes I see him powering up heaven by himself too) which in well intertwined with the alternative world and meeting with his dad
7.I'm sorry but I think God and amara did not get full closure. there should have been at least some conversation between god and angels.
8. Are we done with all princes of hell? Was Asmodeus the last?

There's just too many ongoing set ups for future big villains.
I think next season will continue to be michael and lucifer, at least until mid season, then one of them or jack will die and awake the empty again ?

Stabi said:

7.I'm sorry but I think God and amara did not get full closure. there should have been at least some conversation between god and angels.

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The show looks to be done with them. At least for the short term. Maybe in a couple of seasons.

Stabi said:

8. Are we done with all princes of hell? Was Asmodeus the last?

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They are gone. Azazel back in season 2, Ramiel in season 12 with the Colt storyline and Dagon with the Jack one.

Stabi said:

Yeah I agree with Not spaceghost.
And I feel like I'm starting to forget some plots

To recap what i remember in bullet points, if I missed some, feel free to reply!
1. Rowena storyline that they advanced pretty well with last episode but that they opened up with Sam will kill her. Not happening soon though
2. There still the 'cosmic consequence' thing and death plan about dean.
3.The empty I totally forgot about.
4.The alternative world.
4.1 subplot finding gabriel
4.2 subplot michael invading earth.
4.3 subplot saving Mary (and others)
5. Lucifers story on its own
6. Jack story arc (and yes I see him powering up heaven by himself too) which in well intertwined with the alternative world and meeting with his dad
7.I'm sorry but I think God and amara did not get full closure. there should have been at least some conversation between god and angels.
8. Are we done with all princes of hell? Was Asmodeus the last?

There's just too many ongoing set ups for future big villains.
I think next season will continue to be michael and lucifer, at least until mid season, then one of them or jack will die and awake the empty again ?

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There's also the alt version of that dreamwalker girl running around now.

TheOMan said:

There's also the alt version of that dreamwalker girl running around now.

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Yeah but that's for the spinoff

Stabi said:

Yeah but that's for the spinoff

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Oooooh yeah.

GUYS SUPERNATURAL SEASON 1 COMING 5O NETFLIX

POSSIBLY WITH CORRECT MUSIC!!!

B-Dubs said:

It's already there....BUT NOT WITH CORRECT MUSIC!!

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I know thats why theyre updating it with the correct music 8D

They were going to do an awesome sounding episode this season called, "Stakes on a Train" that was a vampire version of Murder on the Orient Express but they couldn't figure out how to pull it off on a Supernatural budget. That would have been an instant classic and now I'm sad. lol

Anyone excited for Supernatural tonight? Episode looks great and features

So I wanted to discuss the season finale and season 14 but this reaches into spoilers so I will spoiler tag some theories of mine:


What do you guys think?

Press release for season finale:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/04/supernatural-episode-1323-let-good.html?m=1

This strongly suggest my theory may be on to something as well...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spnhun...ies-will-dean-finally-say-yes-to-michael/amp/

That was a really sweet ending Fun episode all around.

That URL basically suggests the spoiler you are discussing.

Well, super glad they cleared up how Asmodeus got Gabriel. That makes sense, pretty well thought out. Also LOVE how Gabriel referred to him as the kentucky fried bhole loool.

Interesting how Gabriel became the trickster by learning from THE trickster himself. I always thought that was Gabriel's vessel, so he shape shifts into looking like Loki? Didn't know Angels could actually do that, makes you wonder what his actual vessel looks like.

I'm peeved they made Fenrir into a humanoid werewolf knock off though...he's a wolf dammit! Pretty sure at least, my Norse mythology is pretty weak. Not sure about the other two though.

Gabriel telling the story, Dean interrupting to say he thought the were pornstars, Dean being super into Gabriel's erotic story, and then looking all pissed at Sam for telling him to cut to the end loool.

Also why is there no mention of Thor dying? Wasn't he the one that Sam smacked with Mjölnir during the auction episode?

And Gabriel saying Trix is for kids. heh.

Rip all those other guys in Apocalypse Land...

Heartfelt brotherly love moment T_T
"If we die, we'll do that together too" my heartstrings pls

So the season is going to end with the Angels striking a deal with Alt Michael to recharge Heaven and amass numbers, right? Or something like that. No way are they doing the heaven is dying thing alongside an alt universe with a fuckton of angels plot without the two being connected somehow.

Has Kali ever been brought up again?

I was a little surprised that Gabriel confirmed what we already knew though, that these pagan gods are just souped up monsters.

Razgriz-Specter said:

Has Kali ever been brought up again?

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Don't think so. As far as we know, the boys dumped her off at a bus station and went their merry ways.

dabig2 said:

I was a little surprised that Gabriel confirmed what we already knew though, that these pagan gods are just souped up monsters.

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Wasn't he talking about the "animals" like fenrir and sleipnnir?

Yeah, there was that article from a while back that Jensen will finally get to play someone other than Dean, so I'm with that theory for sure.

I just hope it isn't resolved instantly next season, like every other game changer so far.

Man, the more I watch this show, the more I realise how cheap it is. They just sit around in rooms and talk; and/or stand in some woods/forest etc el. Its all bloody hilarious how cheap the show is. I wonder what the episode cost is.

Septimus Prime said:

Yeah, there was that article from a while back that Jensen will finally get to play someone other than Dean, so I'm with that theory for sure.

I just hope it isn't resolved instantly next season, like every other game changer so far.

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It can just be alternate world Dean.... hell if Loki can borrow his face to Gabriel and asmodeus can shapeshift by drinking his grace.... this season opened to pretty much every actor play any part =P