IM assuming they would want to reclaim the land for future purposes.
in the meantime, a desirable venue to punish enemies.
typing with broken arm. sorry.
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The Handmaid's Tale S2 |OT| Gilead is within you.
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in the meantime, a desirable venue to punish enemies.
typing with broken arm. sorry.
asking everyone.
does a free june undermine the show's title in any way?
and what scenario might happen that would bring her back to the waterfords? i almost feel that if no confrontation happens between her and Serena between now and the show ending, that it will be a missed opportunity.
could offred return to them in a seemingly chastened state as a means of getting information for the resistence?
also, if no june to lead the handmaid's, who becomes their de facto leader now?
can the show get away with transitioning from the handmaids, given that june's pov is going in unfamiliar territory?
does a free june undermine the show's title in any way?
and what scenario might happen that would bring her back to the waterfords? i almost feel that if no confrontation happens between her and Serena between now and the show ending, that it will be a missed opportunity.
could offred return to them in a seemingly chastened state as a means of getting information for the resistence?
also, if no june to lead the handmaid's, who becomes their de facto leader now?
can the show get away with transitioning from the handmaids, given that june's pov is going in unfamiliar territory?
It'll be interesting to see how they carry the show beyond the scope of the book.
It was rough to watch the first season. Usually I prefer binging but this was a case where I was glad that it was one episode at a time.
It was rough to watch the first season. Usually I prefer binging but this was a case where I was glad that it was one episode at a time.
Yes. I Like what they're doing with colonies so far. I loved the reunion of Emily and Janine.
My prediction is that June will come within a hair's inch of gaining freedom but will turn it down and remain in Gilead to find her daughter.
I also wonder if she will miscarriage. Maybe the writers will have her miscarriage this current pregnancy but have her give birth to a second child towards the end of the series.
At this point, Serena's one leverage over June is Hannah, so that is probably weighing on her mind going forward.
As far as multiple protagonists go, you have Moira and Nick still in Canada, and Emily in the colonies. Does anyone think there will be recriminations for her killing the wife when she was condemned to begin with? From Gilead's perspective, would that be considered a serious transgression? I assume Emily's story will be one of endurance, so maybe her committing murder serves as a gateway for what will probably be her many challenges in this season. And to those who saw Unwomen, was the crucifixion scene meant to bookend the hanging of her colleague, and if so, wouldn't it have been more prudent had she hung her instead?
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I mean, there's no way she doesn't return back to captivity at some point. She won't be able to get her daughter without paying a price
The belly of the whale moment indeed. Do you think it's possible for there to be multiple confrontations between June and Serena, or is this show themetically structured as such that you can only do this once?
I think we're looking at 3 or 4 seasons tops unless they wanna risk stretching this out too much. Realistically June should have her daughter by the end of this season, and be out of Gilead with her by halfway into S3, with the final season/episodes focusing on June helping bring down Gilead from the sidelines and possibly rescuing others.
So yeah there will def be more than one confrontation with Serena
I always assumed that rescuing her daughter would be the last thing she does because what personal incentive does she have to stay in Gilead if Hannah is safe? And bringing down Gilead from Canada wouldn't be gratifying on any level, given the personal stakes in the show.
Well not necessarily from Canada, but I do picture the final season being June helping lead a team through Gilead in order to rescue people and take it down. At least, something similar will need to happen at some point .
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I have a hard time believing she ever leaves Gilead during the show. There will have to be a final confrontation between June and Serena, with Gilead's fall as the themetic backdrop, subversion from within being at the forefront, while military stuff happening offscreen or in limited segments. She doesn't have to be the one delivering it's death blow, but she should play a role in bringing down the Waterfords, similar to how it didn't have to be Luke who delivered the killing blow to the second death star to bring symbolic closure. The main objectives for June that would bookend the pilot would be:
-- rescuing her daughter
-- reuniting with her husband, Luke
-- bringing down Serena, who I believe is the brains of the waterford pair/ parallel her utter defeat with the fall of Gilead itself
I thought the same, but wondering if it's even effective at all. Looks like reclaiming the land is worthless if it was actually nukes. Other toxins maybe, because radiation poisoning would probably be a even faster killer. Unless the heartland really got nuked and what we're seeing from Emily is like the periphery of it that only has some fallout.
It probably is but this is probably just work camps to punish women (especially, or exclusively) that don't comply with how Gilead is run. As for machinery, probably don't want anyone becoming too reliant on it except very high up. Cars are limited, simple things like pregnancy tests are contraband, even the Waterfords have to mostly live by candlelight, etc. I suppose most of that is some philosophical thing that is part of Gilead.
And if that's all it takes, why not offer masks to everybody?
I'm hesitant about the season. I thought the ending of the first season was perfect so have been apprehensive about this season, and even though the first two episodes were good, it hasn't really removed those worries. Personally, I think it was better when 'The Colonies' were a vague threat to keep people in line whose existence was never definitively stated. Even still, the second episode was very impacting and I thought superior to the first even if it 'confirmed' the existence of the colonies in the world of the show. I think it was interesting to have June 'escape' so early but I can definitely agree with the comments made above that she'll almost certainly return to captivity after just getting within an inch of freedom to save her daughter.
I hope the show doesn't even remotely attempt to go along the lines of 'June taking down Gilead'. The first season's plot worked for me because of it's intimate focus with enough going on in the background to make the world feel larger in scope than just being the tale of June. It'd be a massive mistake in my opinion to try and almost shift the events of the world to revolve around her, or for her to play an incredibly crucial role in that (aside from, for example, the possibility of her escaping and giving testimony on what she experienced and that's it) and would detract strongly from the idea that her situation is not necessarily an uncommon one amongst the Handmaid's.
I hope the show doesn't even remotely attempt to go along the lines of 'June taking down Gilead'. The first season's plot worked for me because of it's intimate focus with enough going on in the background to make the world feel larger in scope than just being the tale of June. It'd be a massive mistake in my opinion to try and almost shift the events of the world to revolve around her, or for her to play an incredibly crucial role in that (aside from, for example, the possibility of her escaping and giving testimony on what she experienced and that's it) and would detract strongly from the idea that her situation is not necessarily an uncommon one amongst the Handmaid's.
To serve as punishment to those who betray Gilead. It's not meant to just be productive work, it's meant to work them to death in an inhospitable and punishing environment that prolongs their suffering.
I haven't read the book, so I don't know how canonical the series is. But I find it hard to believe that June hasn't been killed yet, based off of every rebellious act she's committed in the past. I understand why she's untouchable now. Is it because they're hesitant to kill handmaids since that would be one less maiden to bear children?
I haven't read the book either. But from what i know of it the way the first season ends is where the book ends.
The second season is new stuffs. But i believe the original author is contributing to it.
Correct.
Why not just create the mythos and kill the people somewhere isolated?
I think they want to prolong a slow and agonizing death to those who were sentenced to go to the colonies. Giving them a short death wouldn't elicit as much fear. In fact, a short death could even entice others to break the law so that they could receive a short death that would release them from their tortured lives. That being said, Emily was told by Aunt Lydia that she could still bear children despite her surgery.
Simply put, they want to torture the women who have commit heinous crimes, but do not want to kill them quickly because that wouldn't be as harsh of a punishment. More importantly, they don't want to execute women who can still bear children.
I sort of agree. The first two episodes of the season were still effective, but the longer the misery goes on, the less impact its bound to have. Sometimes less is more, so I would like to see the show end either this season or next.
Yep. June becoming any sort of central figure in the downfall of Gilead would be ridiculous.
Yes, but they're highly prized for their fertility even before pregnancy. This is a world where fertility is at a catastrophic low. It takes a lot, I guess, for a handmaid to be condemned to death.
Just finished the two episodes of season two... it's horrifying, compelling viewing. I get the concerns about the series potentially running out of story to tell now that they've gone beyond the book, and that perhaps there's signs of that already. But still. The worldbuilding here, the deeper look at the buildup to gilead, the colonies, is worthwhile. Emily's backstory is harrowing and completely believable.
Agreed. There were a few parts in season two that made me cringe. I had to turn the sound off through some of the torture scenes.
Is this an Open Spoilers thread? Because I'm seeing spoilers left and right but I haven't caught up yet.
Open spoilers for all aired episodes (season 1 + both episodes of season 2).
Ann Dowd is taking us all on a journey. Like, goddamn.
And I'm with you all on the misery porn thing. There are some cases, like several things in episode two, that show how steadily and routinely things changed for the worse and those at least help connect modern USA to Gilead. It is going to get old if they just try to repeatedly one-up themselves in depravity and anguish.
Yea, I think so - especially if the goal is to reunite with him someday.
Also I think it's because she's been getting raped on a regular basis, clearly she's in despair, and having sex is still on her mind with the person who rescued her? Idk it seems awkward to me.
Watched the first 2 episodes, didn't like the first one, loved the second one. I would love if this season started following different characters (kinda like Orange is the New Black did) while still keeping an eye on June's plot. June's story interests me, but I don't like her either - and I think this is great. Atwood is really good at making great female characters who aren't likable women. Serena Joy also interests me - she is so dangerous and ominous that she gave me chills in the hospital scene. Such a fragile and smart woman with almost absolute power in her hands makes her a real danger, I fear her more than Aunt Lydia.
The second one is my favorite and also filled me with sadness and a sentiment of impotence towards the way things are now. I hated the characters submitting to abuse (June being questioned about her daughter, Emily humiliated by the officer, Emily's colleague) but exactly because we know that probably we would do the same - maybe we are already doing it. We also see what happens to people who resist in The Boston Globe arch. It also did a really good job showing that things are never too progressive that they can't turn to barbaric again. The Iran Revolution mentioned above was a really good comparison. The Red Sox game audio played at the credits (and the abandoned stadium scene in the first one) are perfect reminders to never take anything for granted.
The fact that The Boston Globe is known for bringing scandals to light (see Spotlight) is an awesome association. These voices would be silenced for sure in such scenario.
The second one is my favorite and also filled me with sadness and a sentiment of impotence towards the way things are now. I hated the characters submitting to abuse (June being questioned about her daughter, Emily humiliated by the officer, Emily's colleague) but exactly because we know that probably we would do the same - maybe we are already doing it. We also see what happens to people who resist in The Boston Globe arch. It also did a really good job showing that things are never too progressive that they can't turn to barbaric again. The Iran Revolution mentioned above was a really good comparison. The Red Sox game audio played at the credits (and the abandoned stadium scene in the first one) are perfect reminders to never take anything for granted.
The fact that The Boston Globe is known for bringing scandals to light (see Spotlight) is an awesome association. These voices would be silenced for sure in such scenario.
I think it may be her way of actually taking back some control and autonomy over her own body.
I think in the end it will boil down to June facing the Waterfords and "Let my daughter go to Canada and I will return to your household and deliver the baby". Hanna is sent to Canada and Offred returns to Waterfords. Perfect ending to S2.
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Episode 3 named Baggage is out on Hulu. Remember spoiler tags until it airs on every platform (except for Canada, sorry, Sunday too long of a wait).
https://www.hulu.com/the-handmaids-tale
https://www.hulu.com/the-handmaids-tale
Wow that was another fantastic episode.
I loved seeing the "normal" lower/middle class areas, and I screamed when Luke mentioned Canadian & British troops doing military exercises on the border. HOT. I do wonder what other countries are doing – are they too scared to invade because they still trade with Gilead?
Episode 3 was so frustrating to watch. June...! Was it really so hard to just stay put for a little while longer? The guy said it wasn't safe and yet she insisted on risking everything just so she wouldn't be alone one more night? And then they're like "be quiet, everyone listens to everything here" so she's like walking around (footsteps), clacking marbles in her hands, and walking in front of the open windows like what the fuck how dumb do you have to be??? I'm sure they'll say it was the gay dude who got shot at the end that lead the soldiers to the air field, but like c'mon, June wasn't careful at all. -___-
The guy was clearly not coming back for her which is why she insisted on going with him. He was already scared shitless that the safe house had been compromised and his only job was to deliver her to it. Looked pretty clear to me that he just wanted to wipe his hands clean and go back to his life before he too got caught and June would be completely fucked if that were to happen. She had no idea where she was, no idea where the airfield was at that point, no change of clothes, and no one else knew she was at the sign facility.
With that said, I agree with you about her behavior in the apartment. So fucking stupid how much noise she was making after being told the walls were thin and the neighbors were noisy. And to top it off she decides to stand by the window and give anyone looking in her direction a good look....really? Really?!
I don't think she was making that much noise considering that she was inside an apartment. Still, some of the stuff she did came across as dumb. Especially, the looking out the window.
I was pretty damned pissed at the ending. The first episode and a lot of last season are close to torture porn. It's going to be even worst from now, isn't it. Enough is enough is how I feel about it at this point.
The ending was so predictable it hurts
June on the train gave Dexter season 8 levels of stupidity.. opening a map like that and being shifty eyed like girl
June on the train gave Dexter season 8 levels of stupidity.. opening a map like that and being shifty eyed like girl
June is far from perfect or even that smart and this contributes to make her a great character but she can be annoyingly reckless to the point we get pissed at her. The window scene was REALLY frustrating to watch (I was paranoid even in the first and second episodes, her and Nick playing with that goddamn door - Jesus, there's an army after you fools!).
I also would like to be relieved she left and the family was 'safe' again but I actually think they were caught. It's very unlikely it was just a coincidence when the Econopeople is watched by guards every 3 meters. That resistance chain crumbled since the safehouse was down -
and the pilot getting killed and they captured are the proof that this is what happened.
Even though it is so saddening and terrible to watch they getting tortured, again and again, I think that there's no other way to go on, at least the scenes in Gilead. This is the very foundation of this society, pain, and death. Inexorable.