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Jordan Peterson - The "Intellectual" We Deserve
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We've got 64 pages of explanation of why the guy is a dangerous hypocrite demagogue, in a thread specifically on that topic, and we've got people linking his channel's videos without any commentary or reasoning. The least they can do is tell us why we should be watching it in exchange for giving JBP undeserved views.
Look at the comment section of that video, those people are literally fawning over him like a cult leader, how is that not alarming?
You know I honestly tried. But I for the life of me can't get through it. He's saying so much nothing.
Saw this thread a while ago but never clicked as I'd never heard of him. Finally caught him on Bill Maher and...oof. What a fucking idiot. That might be strong. Just seemed ignorant of life and was constantly portraying his views on things he admitted to having little personal experience with, like American politics or child rearing.
As a father, I especially enjoyed listening to two childless guys talking about how best to raise a kid. It was adorably naive.
Glad he got taken down a few pegs in overtime.
As a father, I especially enjoyed listening to two childless guys talking about how best to raise a kid. It was adorably naive.
Glad he got taken down a few pegs in overtime.
Peterson denies systemic racism, claims "radical feminism" is alienating men and talks about teaching diversity like it's a fucking war crime. That's not just baseless and sloppy.
You're right though that there aren't any original or groundbreaking ideas, at least not from what we can decipher of his pseudo-intellectual babbling.
On that note...
Hahahaha wow. Just what the fuck.
If I thought Sun King Jiran was right? I don't know. It depends on what you define as right. It was a terrible time. The machines that were once docile were now attacking the natural hierarchy and killing people. The Nora savages were not trying to do anything about it except singing. The Banuk were delighted! They loved the challenge! They're a very industrious people and if you read the science, you can see that by inserting those blue wires into their skin, it increases the size of the coccyx and decreases the size of the perineum. So what we did was - and this is by no means an endorsement of the practice - what we did was take the Banuk enthusiasm for fighting these machines and bring it to the Sun Ring.
Look to the wise Watcher. There are two variants of them: the regular one with just the big eye and another that has the same big eye except red. The Red Eye Watchers, when hlthey detect a threat, they will fire a red energy blast from their eye! They see the threat and then kill it! That's what we need to do! We need to identify the threat and then eliminate it. Well, then, how do you do that? You do that by following my first rule in decreasing your suffering. You give yourself pink eye! It's really red but because of the whites of your eye and environmental lighting it appears pink. With that pink eye you will be able to defeat your suffering!
If we supported emojis, I'd post the "joy" one from Discord.
I'm surprised Peterson hasn't started an Alpha Amplitude to offer his critique of videogames from a anti-Marxist, anti-suffering perspective.
Good ol' Satanic Temple rightly thinks Jordan Peterson is full of shit, this parody tweet is on point:
(in response to this garbage tweet https://twitter.com/amconmag/status/989708213787357184 )
(in response to this garbage tweet https://twitter.com/amconmag/status/989708213787357184 )
What a shitty quote.
If you think you have to clean your room you are wrong, says Peterson, "because your mind has been bent and shaped and molded by a nomadic past that dropped feces anywhere and everywhere stretching back into an unfathomable abysm of time.
If you think you have to clean your room you are wrong, says Peterson, "because your mind has been bent and shaped and molded by a nomadic past that dropped feces anywhere and everywhere stretching back into an unfathomable abysm of time.
So this guy, Matt Dillahunty (I follow his work, he's pretty great), and 'ole Peterson had a conversation and in his reflections on the conversation he basically comes to many of the conclusions we have on him.
I'd link the actual conversation but right now it's paid content.
Idk if this is new but Peterson talks his points about why everybody is religious not sure if were you can find the complete video
edit evermind its 28 of march :P
edit evermind its 28 of march :P
Thanks this is interesting, i was actually under the assumption christians claim/believe drugs are evil though, not a cure for smoking at least based on what they say around here :p
tbh this is the first i heard something like this
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This is an unlisted video and I'm fairly sure it's supposed to be paid content for their Patreon or something, because Matt talks about wanting to officially release the video or audio in his video that I linked above. How did you come across the link?
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It was publically listed yesterday through YouTube's search.
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Up now for Patrons. Up tomorrow morning for all.
Edit: I'm going to spoiler this if anyone wants to go into it blind...
She keeps calling him "daddy" and is in a dom/sub relationship with him, manifested with a mannequin. This might be one of the funniest ones yet. God save the lobster queen.
And stick around through the credits.
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Lol at the spoiler. I first read that word in the sexual way, but then I remembered that others mean the other way when referring to him.
Thanks. I can't wait.
fucking savage
edit - yeah I really hope that our resident lobster bois watch this. Even if you agree with Peterson's generally right wing anti-idpol arguments, you need to come to grips with the fact that when it comes to "postmodern neo-Marxism" the dude has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
edit - yeah I really hope that our resident lobster bois watch this. Even if you agree with Peterson's generally right wing anti-idpol arguments, you need to come to grips with the fact that when it comes to "postmodern neo-Marxism" the dude has no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
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Love Matt Dillahunty. One of the best Atheist activists out there. I'd put him alongside Christopher Hitchens.
Post-modernist neoclassical Darwinist Marxism
She made a great point about the Channel 4 interview in that his lobster argument is basically a huge straw man that we all fell for along with that interviewer.
And if some newer folks want to see Another video critical of Peterson, here you go:
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He's far more respectable than Hitchens imo, especially when it comes to social issues.
I don't even know if there are popular atheists that are still respectable...
Really good vid this one.
And I guess she addressed the issue about the euro centrism inherent to Peterson's argument even deeper than I've seen for now.
Really good vid this one.
And I guess she addressed the issue about the euro centrism inherent to Peterson's argument even deeper than I've seen for now.
You haven't ascended high enough in the transcendental lobster hierarchy, I'm afraid.
...Sure?
Can't get enough of these peterson arguing/critics videos , two hours with Matt was fantastic thought it ended too quickly lol lots of intriguing stuff
sigh one day i will see them again
Yay :^D
sigh one day i will see them again
i just came to post this, great video
yep just watched this, i had been waiting to hear what matt thought of their discussion for a while
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The way peterson talks about christian fundamentalists/religion reminds me of my parents, if i understand right peterson says anyone who is not religious ('Atheists') are either lying, hypocrites or literally murderers without any sort of moral compass, who would be killing people on the streets if they could have their way, because morality can't exist without God or something, a popular opinion among some intellectuals.
Like my parents, who are mostly good people that believe being gay or taking drugs makes you a killer, some sort of worthless, stupid, inmoral animal and yet, thats their moral code. That could be something peterson would defend but i can't.
personally don't have anything to contradict this i hope more people question these views in the future because imo they can be very harmful.sometimes the world isn't this black and white.
Like my parents, who are mostly good people that believe being gay or taking drugs makes you a killer, some sort of worthless, stupid, inmoral animal and yet, thats their moral code. That could be something peterson would defend but i can't.
personally don't have anything to contradict this i hope more people question these views in the future because imo they can be very harmful.sometimes the world isn't this black and white.
It's a great week to dunk on Peterson
Again, Peterson seriously entertained the deplorably racist Jewish question and also got mad when someone asked if he is concerned that now-nazis are using him to spread propaganda
He certainly attracts them
Again, Peterson seriously entertained the deplorably racist Jewish question and also got mad when someone asked if he is concerned that now-nazis are using him to spread propaganda
He certainly attracts them
That's a really well made vid.
Again the lobster thesis that the Nazis didn't rationalize extermination and weren't trying to win the War is so laughable it should be reason enough to question everything this guy says.
Literally if the guy tells you the sky is blue, it's imperative to check before accepting his words means anything but deceitful crap.
It's exactly the point of the banality of evil that was unearthed by the trials after the war.
Like how long do you need live in your cave to not even know about basic postwar knowledge?
Yup. He has said so many bullshit things that you can't take anything he says at face value. Even his advice on the surface seems alright but you start peeling back the layers of what he means and it's all kinds of toxic shit.
He overstuffs every sentence with so much random fluff that it obfuscates his actual (usually malignant) opinion. So the person listening/debating him has to literally stop the conversation and ask him to clarify. Which is exactly what happened with the Cathy Newman interview. That's why I feel these longform takedowns (video or written form) are the best way to break down his opinions.
Yup, he gishgallops like a motherfucker. You'd have to be an expert to debate him in real time.
On another note, his usually defenders are haunting the thread anymore.
On another another note, I always heard that safety, order and the like we're feminine because children feel safest around their moms. Finally leaving your mother's embrace is venturing out into chaos and the unknown. Why did Peterson switch it?
I got up to the smoking cessation part and stopped. I don't know how this man could even think that a mystical experience is a requirement to stop smoking.
Yeah, that's basically the argument. I've been saying this guy is such a William Lane Craig wannabe, down to the verbal mannerisms. It's transparent and only a dumbass listens to this horseshit and goes, "Wow, that's really smart."
That is not the point Peterson is making. Peterson is saying that those who hold to an atheistic worldview borrow from the Judeo-Christian worldview (in the West) when it comes to the intrinsic value and worth of human beings; as well as Western morality and ethics (I am not claiming that atheists cannot be moral). Is Peterson wrong? Not according to other atheist academics:
"Today, even as belief in God fades across the West, the countries that were once collectively known as Christendom continue to bear the stamp of the two-millennia-old revolution that Christianity represents. It is the principal reason why, by and large, most of us who live in post-Christian societies still take for granted that it is nobler to suffer than to inflict suffering. It is why we generally assume that every human life is of equal value. In my morals and ethics, I have learned to accept that I am not Greek or Roman at all, but thoroughly and proudly Christian." (Atheist historian Tom Holland)
"[Atheist professor John Gray's] essential argument is that much modern Western thought is a bastardized and degenerated version of Christianity, cherry picking the anthropological and ethical fruit while hacking away at its metaphysical roots. "The God of monotheism did not die, it only left the scene for a while in order to reappear as humanity – the human species dressed up as a collective agent, pursuing its self–realisation in history." (157) This applies to atheism as much – perhaps more – as it does other ideas. Beginning with the predictable hook of the New Atheists, Gray shows how most of modern atheisms are debased versions of the Christianity from which they emerged...The rest of Seven Types of Atheism parses his six other types, namely, (2) secular humanism, "the hollowed out version of the Christian belief in salvation in history"; (3) scientific atheism, the replacement of God with science (or pseudo–science) such as evolution, Mesmerism, dialectical materialism, or transhumanism; (4) political atheism, the replacement of a divine superstructure with a political creed and programme, such as Jacobinism, communism, Nazism, or "evangelical liberalism"; (5) anti–theism or misotheism, the replacement God–worship with God–hatred; (6) a progress–free atheism, such as Gray finds in the life and work of George Santayana and Joseph Conrad; finally (7) the "mystical atheism" that Gray sees in Arthur Schopenhauer, Baruch Spinoza, and the Russian–Jewish fideist Lev Shestov." (Nick Spencer, Director of Research at Theos)
"[Atheist professor John Gray's] essential argument is that much modern Western thought is a bastardized and degenerated version of Christianity, cherry picking the anthropological and ethical fruit while hacking away at its metaphysical roots. "The God of monotheism did not die, it only left the scene for a while in order to reappear as humanity – the human species dressed up as a collective agent, pursuing its self–realisation in history." (157) This applies to atheism as much – perhaps more – as it does other ideas. Beginning with the predictable hook of the New Atheists, Gray shows how most of modern atheisms are debased versions of the Christianity from which they emerged...The rest of Seven Types of Atheism parses his six other types, namely, (2) secular humanism, "the hollowed out version of the Christian belief in salvation in history"; (3) scientific atheism, the replacement of God with science (or pseudo–science) such as evolution, Mesmerism, dialectical materialism, or transhumanism; (4) political atheism, the replacement of a divine superstructure with a political creed and programme, such as Jacobinism, communism, Nazism, or "evangelical liberalism"; (5) anti–theism or misotheism, the replacement God–worship with God–hatred; (6) a progress–free atheism, such as Gray finds in the life and work of George Santayana and Joseph Conrad; finally (7) the "mystical atheism" that Gray sees in Arthur Schopenhauer, Baruch Spinoza, and the Russian–Jewish fideist Lev Shestov." (Nick Spencer, Director of Research at Theos)
What is happening right now in the west is that the final Christian roots are being pulled out while people attempt to figure out what they should be replaced with. Dillahunty and others believe that a Humanist worldview has the capacity to be the new foundation. However, as Peterson and other academics have said, humanism borrows many of their doctrines from Christianity. Therefore, it is impossible to remove the Judeo-Christian worldview from whatever ends up replacing it because it is now built into the social fabric of Western society. This is Peterson's point.
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I mean, to be fair to Peterson, one can have a mystical experience and that allows them to drop habits like smoking, as those habits usually are responses to pain. This is something folks like Gabor Mate and Diederik Wolsak talk about when it comes to self-image and belief. There's some truth to what Peterson is saying in that it helps break the vices.
Now, is it a requirement? That's to say only those who have a nondual or ego death experience are the only ones to stop smoking and have painful habits, and that shit's not true; that's a bridge too far to say it's a requirement. Hell, people who even have those sorts of experience, like Alan Watts and Nisargadatta Maharaj, both still drank and smoked, respectively.
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