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Starlatine

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mech everything sucks, including mech games

which made me pissed harebrained schemes did a dumb mech game instead of another shadowrun

come at me in you shitty metal suits ya robot lovers
 

Strangelove_77

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I hate dlc where they take away all your shit at the beginning of it.
Come up with something better than taking all my weapons away from me, you dicks.

I think Fallout 4 and Dragon Age Inquisition were legit good games.
 
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100% of the time, using a strategy guide improved my experience with a game, as long as I used it with the proper discretion and didn't keep my eyes glued to it constantly.

A lot of people still think of strategy guides as cheating, but they could be a great tool to tailor the gameplay experience exactly how you wanted it. For instance I used to give myself a few minutes to memorize an RPG dungeon map from the guide, then enter the dungeon and try to recall where to go for treasure and the boss. To me that is more satisfying than blindly flailing around until I happen to find things. It also eliminates that annoying situation where you reach an intersection and can go left or right, you go left and proceed to the boss, meanwhile the save point was around the corner on the right.

Using the internet to look shit up also just doesn't have the same charm as having a book open next to you. Honestly it saddens me that very few people seem to share my enthusiasm for proper strategy guides.
 

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Mother 3 is a bad game with an inane, melodramatic, and predictable story, and the Magypsies are Persona 5 levels of bad portrayal of non-cishet characters. Thus, I think Nintendo made the right decision with not localising it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I flat out do not understand the common hardline SP-only stance on this forum.

I can see preferring SP, and not minding if a game has an MP option or not: that's about where I am, honestly. I'll take a nice SP game anytime, but I'm always up for some MP too. But the whole "I never every play multiplayer ever" stance that half this forum seems to have is just...baffling. Competing against others or with them is one of my favorite things about games. Did no one here grow up playing Mario Kart or Smash multiplayer or something? I guess most of this forum grew up around the SNES/Genesis era and thus associate games with playing alone since most games back then were single-player?

But in any case this place has this hardline "a game isn't a Real Game™ unless it has a plot and an ending" as if games are movies you play or some shit.

What's even funnier is when people here are like "WHY DO THE YOUTH™ LIKE THESE GAAS MP GAMES, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT", like maybe The Youth™ likes playing with their friends grandpa
Frankly, I'm sick of singleplayer games shoehorning in multiplayer and multiplayer games shoehorning in singleplayer. There have been very, very few examples of games that manage to do both well. Battlefield has always been an exceptional multiplayer series; its singleplayer campaigns suck. GTA V is a great singleplayer experience; GTA Online is the worst game I have ever played, period (which is all the more frustrating after GTA IV had a legitimately fun MP mode). Find what you're good at and do that. Witcher 3 is constantly lauded as one of the best games ever, and it has zero multiplayer. Overwatch has been a tremendous success in the last couple years without any singleplayer mode. And that's perfectly fine. When I play a game that is great in one mode and subpar in another, I feel like a judge on a cooking show; "well, you gave me both, so I'm going to judge you on both, and invariably I'm going to have a favorite and one I wish you had not given me." The notion that games need to have both single and multiplayer is a drastic mistake and makes games worse because it steals the development team's focus from doing one thing excellently.
 
Dec 3, 2017
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We lack succinct words to describe the medium. Chess and the The last of Us is still anchored to the same term, and evaluated according to the same term. "Games" is not a sufficient signifier anymore and cannot withhold the vast output that is created day by day.

"Games", as a term, should have burst out of its seams long ago.

Are games art?
No, chess can exist as a game without artistic factors; however yes, The Last of Us cannot exist without artistic intent.

So, what is a good game?
No one knows! ^^

Naughty Dog just wants to make movies now. They haven't made a pure game that I actually enjoyed in a long time.
 
Dec 3, 2017
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So many people seem to treat Streets of Rage 2 as if it's the best beat 'em up ever made just because it has good music. It does have good music, but the game itself is trash compared to pretty much any CPS1/CPS2 beat 'em up. One of the most overrated games of all time.
 

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So many people seem to treat Streets of Rage 2 as if it's the best beat 'em up ever made just because it has good music. It does have good music, but the game itself is trash compared to pretty much any CPS1/CPS2 beat 'em up. One of the most overrated games of all time.
I still think it's a really good game, but yeah SoR 2 is definitely not on the level of the CPS greats.

Pretty much nothing is.
 

PK_Wonder

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My controversial opinion is that Uncharted has good gameplay. Also, the pacing in Uncharted 4 is masterful. Gamers are wrong about it, and 10 years from now they'll realize as much.

This is the first I've seen it suggested that that wasn't already the consensus! 90% of the comments I've read about the Uncharted series have been almost entirely positive... including the gameplay and combat. I've seen a couple of detractors, but they are total outliers.
 

Aters

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Oct 26, 2017
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I agree that videogame has too wide a range that any sort of generality is a waste of effort. There is no definition of a good game. It purely depends on what subgenre it is in.
 

Wesley-Σ

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's crimethink on this forum to prefer that gameplay be the focus on games, and that's honestly pretty sad.
I know what you mean and I agree. People will attack you for explaining how gameplay should come before anything else.

You have many mediums for narratives; no need to pervert this one.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know what you mean and I agree. People will attack you for explaining how gameplay should come before anything else.

You have many mediums for narratives; no need to pervert this one.
Or there can be both? There can be games for stories, there can be games for gameplay, there can be games for story and gameplay? Or is that not the case? Games like life is strange and edith finch are critically acclaimed, but you don''t want them to exist? Uncharted mixes gameplay with story, and gow, and tlou, etc.
Naughty Dog just wants to make movies now.

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Budi

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Or there can be both? There can be games for stories, there can be games for gameplay, there can be games for story and gameplay? Or is that not the case? Games like life is strange and edith finch are critically acclaimed, but you don''t want them to exist? Uncharted mixes gameplay with story, and gow, and tlou, etc.
Having story focus and reliance isn't a new thing either, we've had games where the main hook is story and dialogue for well over 20 years, maybe even 30. But these casuals have no idea about that, they think that older games were just Super Mario and Megaman. It seems silly trying to dismiss and mock such games now. There's always been an audience for them and always will be. Gabriel Knight will be 25 at the end of this year, praised game series from one of the best known female devs Jane Jensen. Heavy reliance on story, she is also Philip K. Dick award nominated book author afterall. But I'm really glad she has also made games and not just books, her stories work on any medium that allows storytelling. Video games is obviously one of those mediums. Music isn't just about dancing either, it's also used to tell stories. Why games should be just about combat?
I know what you mean and I agree. People will attack you for explaining how gameplay should come before anything else.

You have many mediums for narratives; no need to pervert this one.
If you personally prefer games where the story doesn't "come into the way" so to speak, that's absolutely fine and nobody will attack you I'm sure. It's when people start complaining about the mere existence of story driven games, since that's just idiotic. As long as developers want to tell stories they will tell them and as long as gamers want to consume stories, they will buy them. It's simple really, why exactly should it go away after all these years? There's huge amount of games released every year, the access to these games is easier than ever with digital distribution. If someone can't find enough games to play with gameplay focus, the problem is probably them and not the games industry.
 
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Feb 24, 2018
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1. last night when I was playing Fallout 4, I think I came to the conclusion to why the game bothers me so much yet I still play it.

It was playing Weathervane questline where have to do the same exact thing each time (get on top of high buildings) with more and more enemies ELVEN times and the reward you get for this tedious quest is... Nothing, not a single thing beside 150 caps which I can get anywhere and the quest giver flat out emitting they wasted your time.

It was that made me realize, most of this game feels like busy work to keep me distracted, most of the quests I have are radiant ones (repeatable ones with no impact to the story), the constant annoying settler stuff etc and or "kill everyone here" quests over and over again, mostly because anything more substantial then that is mediocre and hampered by the way the game minimized its dialogue system, lack of roleplaying and bad plot.

The characters are good for the most part, but they don't interact as often as I want and I can only bring one at a time (wish Bethesda would allow 2-4 followers at once).

It feels like when I'm playing Destiny, am I actually enjoying myself or is it my just playing out of sheer hope something better comes at some point?

2. I simply couldn't get into The Last of Us and found the opening predictable because Zombie works are so predicable.

3. Also, I considered saying a game series has modernized (aka, switched genres to one that is used by more games lately) the same way when people say a game series matured because it switched game genre, in a lot of case, it means you've made the game series feel more generic, it's rather meaningless and implies some game genres are worthy of less respect than others.

Also one of the reason publishers get into their heads that "Single player is dead!/Survival Horror is head!/Turn based combat is dead!").

Still think X-Com is the best example of this, the "Moderenized" game was panned and sold poorly, while the one that kept its genre sold well despite not being a "modern" or popular genre.

4. I've grown more and more a dislike for the competitive side of Fighting game and the "FGC". I'm sick of the elitist attitude, the want for WWE style "drama", the whole "CAUSAL will like anything, only WE can tell difference!" and this sheer disdain for anyone that isn't them or likes fighting game for more than just tournaments and online. I'm sick of Street Fighter fans thinking they have the right to make people feel miserable for not liking SFV, or MvC fans bud into every conversation to take their frustrations on everyone else because MvCI didn't make the cut for EVO or anything with the Melee v WiiU war.

And honestly, I'm sick of seeing more and more fighting games that had fine single player focused content getting stripped of that to be EVO worthy or Esports, isolating anyone that isn't interested in that. It killed Soul Calibur V (which makes me very hesitant about VI because I'm worried it will make the same mistake) and Dissidia Final Fantasy NT for me and I want to see more single player and less competitive mode (or at least a different type of competitive mode) in fighting games, it feels like it's a game genre that isn't able to explore and grow like others because it's devs and a small part of it's already not that big audience seems to be incapable of doing anything other than another competitive fighter rather than seeing what you can fully do with it and explore other possibilities.

5. The constant fan demands for cuts in Smash reminds me of this:

6. I believe the increased prominence in Hype culture is hurting fandom and causing more toxicity and extreme reactions. I've been thinking about for a few days now and now believe that the thing I hate a fandom, the whole "If you criticize something, you must hate it (regardless if you love/like the series or work)" is a result in this.

I believe the film/TV/Game companies need to realize this and learn to promote their work without needlessly creating zealots for said work (something we've seen to the extreme with stuff like No Man Sky, Zelda fandom multiple times, Star Wars etc). They need to promote their works, but also make it clear that toxicity isn't welcome from the start and not do stuff like over promise, baiting etc.

Fandom as a whole needs to learn what the difference between subjective and objective is, stop using aggregate sites like Metacritic and RT as the end all be all and need to learn to stop being jerks to each other and understand the criticism doesn't automatically hate, not liking one piece in a series doesn't mean hating the series and it's okay to like/dislike things others do.

And sites and news need to be more critical and not encourage or fuel the zealots and the Hype culture to such an extreme. Also make sure if you do reviews, have links to how their scores works and get moderators.

Also Aggregate sites need to emphasize more the individual reviews over the overall score because for example, not all 5/10 mean the same since their is no universal review system which the overall score doesn't show.
 
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Also 6. I'm sick of the phrase "casual" being constantly thrown around. We're not better than anyone else for knowing more about video games or in a lot cases, just like different things in a certain game. If you're talking about newer players, just say that.
 

LightEntite

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- Overwatch's "inclusive diversity" is about as commendable as passing an open book test

It's also about as safe as safe can get with its character designs and lore, and still managed to avoid outright representing an African woman (Efi Odalede) by making her eleven and limiting her character to an honorable mention. I don't even think they bothered modeling her.
 

Timppis

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Dark Souls is overrated game that isn't as hard as people make it seem and definitely not near as fun as people lie themselves about.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Dark Souls is overrated game that isn't as hard as people make it seem and definitely not near as fun as people lie themselves about.

Dark Souls legit isn't that hard - if you're willing to grind and game the system, it's actually easy, except when it's random (f'ing Bed of Chaos). But I don't think you can say "not near as fun as people lie themselves about" because I've played all 3 Dark Souls games, and Platinum'd Bloodborne, and I had so much fun. They're not for everyone, no, but you can't wave away everyone who says they're fun because you think otherwise.

Also 6. I'm sick of the phrase "casual" being constantly thrown around. We're not better than anyone else for knowing more about video games or in a lot cases, just like different things in a certain game. If you're talking about newer players, just say that.

I agree. It's half disrespectful, and half elitist gate-keeping. People's entry-points into gaming vary wildly, and some are entirely content to just waste hours on Candy Crush - that's nothing wrong with that, and "gamers" have to get over themselves.
 

Imitatio

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Feb 19, 2018
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Pretty sure you would get linched if you posted this one on the main board but he makes some really good points and really echoes how I felt about the game

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/05/i-hate-god-of-wars-trolls/
Some of the comments under the article are terribly dumb.

not near as fun as people lie themselves about.
Thanks for deciding how people should feel about their time spend with a certain game.

Also 6. I'm sick of the phrase "casual" being constantly thrown around. We're not better than anyone else for knowing more about video games or in a lot cases, just like different things in a certain game. If you're talking about newer players, just say that.
Depends; personally I never used the word as a means to differentiate between gamers of differing skills. As such 'casual' doesn't have a negative connotation for me. But I know what you mean in general.
 

Ryuelli

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Oct 26, 2017
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We lack succinct words to describe the medium. Chess and the The last of Us is still anchored to the same term, and evaluated according to the same term. "Games" is not a sufficient signifier anymore and cannot withhold the vast output that is created day by day.

"Games", as a term, should have burst out of its seams long ago.

Are games art?
No, chess can exist as a game without artistic factors; however yes, The Last of Us cannot exist without artistic intent.

So, what is a good game?
No one knows! ^^

I don't think this is controversial at all and I completely agree with it.
 

scottbeowulf

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ShinUltramanJ

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Also 6. I'm sick of the phrase "casual" being constantly thrown around. We're not better than anyone else for knowing more about video games or in a lot cases, just like different things in a certain game. If you're talking about newer players, just say that.

I look at casual as a term for people who casually indulge in the hobby. They're not on message boards, watching Twitch streams, or following the latest news.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also 6. I'm sick of the phrase "casual" being constantly thrown around. We're not better than anyone else for knowing more about video games or in a lot cases, just like different things in a certain game. If you're talking about newer players, just say that.
It's a term to group peoppe that aren't big on gaming, but in some cases still game either occasionally, just on mobile, etc. Casual is used for movies too. Like how people say for example that casuals might get confused about stuff in infinity war.
 

ShinUltramanJ

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So many people seem to treat Streets of Rage 2 as if it's the best beat 'em up ever made just because it has good music. It does have good music, but the game itself is trash compared to pretty much any CPS1/CPS2 beat 'em up. One of the most overrated games of all time.

On this same note, KONAMI licensed beat em ups are trash compared to Capcom ones

"Trash"? I'll do you one better; Capcom's side scrolling beat 'em ups are no better.

Nothing but the most tedious, mind numbing, boring gameplay loops that all play the same.
 

Dogui

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Oct 28, 2017
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We lack succinct words to describe the medium. Chess and the The last of Us is still anchored to the same term, and evaluated according to the same term. "Games" is not a sufficient signifier anymore and cannot withhold the vast output that is created day by day.

"Games", as a term, should have burst out of its seams long ago.

Are games art?
No, chess can exist as a game without artistic factors; however yes, The Last of Us cannot exist without artistic intent.

So, what is a good game?
No one knows! ^^

You're limiting art by saying chess doesn't have artistic factors.

The Last of Us is more known for it's cinematic aspects so i don't think it's a good example of videogame as art. Level design and gameplay should define videogame as art, not extra-game factors.
 

ignata

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Dec 26, 2017
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For me it's the best 3D Zelda. Ocarina of Time is simply overrated for me.
The best Zeldas, for me, are the 2D ones.

This is absolutely how I feel about Zelda games. You have 2D, 3D, and open world. The best (although there really isn't a great 3D Zelda) is Wind Waker, there's only one open world entry in Breath of the Wild, and my favorite 2D is Zelda II.
 

Wesley-Σ

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Oct 26, 2017
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Or there can be both? There can be games for stories, there can be games for gameplay, there can be games for story and gameplay? Or is that not the case? Games like life is strange and edith finch are critically acclaimed, but you don''t want them to exist? Uncharted mixes gameplay with story, and gow, and tlou, etc.
I don't care if they exist, I care if they dominate the market. That has long term effects, too -- such as game designers not being talented with mechanics.

f you personally prefer games where the story doesn't "come into the way" so to speak, that's absolutely fine and nobody will attack you I'm sure. It's when people start complaining about the mere existence of story driven games, since that's just idiotic. As long as developers want to tell stories they will tell them and as long as gamers want to consume stories, they will buy them. It's simple really, why exactly should it go away after all these years? There's huge amount of games released every year, the access to these games is easier than ever with digital distribution. If someone can't find enough games to play with gameplay focus, the problem is probably them and not the games industry.
My favourite genre has only gotten worse over the years. It's obvious it's because of the industry and bad consumers.

You're free to like what you want; but when it perverts what I like, then I'll voice my concerns.
 

ClickyCal'

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I don't care if they exist, I care if they dominate the market. That has long term effects, too -- such as game designers not being talented with mechanics.


My favourite genre has only gotten worse over the years. It's obvious it's because of the industry and bad consumers.

You're free to like what you want; but when it perverts what I like, then I'll voice my concerns.
Yikes

This bordering out of controversial opinions and almost going into insults.
 

Bobinator

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still think it's a really good game, but yeah SoR 2 is definitely not on the level of the CPS greats.

Pretty much nothing is.

I'm gonna counter with this. I feel that Final Fight, at least the original, is pretty overrated nowadays. It can beat the original Streets of Rage, sure, but 2, even 3? Nope.

Final Fight 2 is pretty much just a reskin of the original game, and 3 is... pretty decent, I'll admit, but still not on Sega's level.
 
Dec 3, 2017
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"Trash"? I'll do you one better; Capcom's side scrolling beat 'em ups are no better.

Nothing but the most tedious, mind numbing, boring gameplay loops that all play the same.

They don't all play the same. That's what's irritating. People don't seem to realize how much more refined the gameplay in the Capcom ones are.

The grappling mechanics of basically every non Capcom beat 'em up are awful.
 

bionic77

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Oct 25, 2017
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I always prefer to read instead of voice acting.

I still think that cutscenes and voice acting in videogames is almost universally terrible. It often reminds me of the robots you see in theme rides.
 

Suede

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The only one I can think of right now is that I never liked Oblivion. I got it when it came out and I thought it was an ugly and boring game. Everyone was going on about how amazing it was when you came out of the sewers and saw the landscape, but I thought it looked pretty bad.

I dropped it pretty quickly.
 
Dec 3, 2017
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Yikes

This bordering out of controversial opinions and almost going into insults.

Maybe, but I basically agree that gamers are some of the most terrible consumers on the planet. They seem to be so gullible and easily taken advantage of. They let companies get away with basically any anti-consumer practice.

Just that fact that you've got console warriors on this forum arguing in defense of platform exclusives as if it's a great thing for consumers shows how far gone they are.
 
Dec 3, 2017
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I'm gonna counter with this. I feel that Final Fight, at least the original, is pretty overrated nowadays. It can beat the original Streets of Rage, sure, but 2, even 3? Nope.

Final Fight 2 is pretty much just a reskin of the original game, and 3 is... pretty decent, I'll admit, but still not on Sega's level.

Just curious if you can articulate why SOR2 is better than Final Fight without bringing up SOR2's music.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're free to like what you want; but when it perverts what I like, then I'll voice my concerns.
What is your favorite genre? Have you tried to look gameplay focused games outside that genre, or are you limiting yourself to just that one? Also it kinda seems you are the one doing the attacking you claimed to be a victim of.
 

Jorgie

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Mar 28, 2018
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Breath of the Wild is the most overrated game in recent history. They took away what's everyone loved about Zelda and gave us farming fluff with a low quality story.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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Maybe, but I basically agree that gamers are some of the most terrible consumers on the planet. They seem to be so gullible and easily taken advantage of. They let companies get away with basically any anti-consumer practice.

Just that fact that you've got console warriors on this forum arguing in defense of platform exclusives as if it's a great thing for consumers shows how far gone they are.
First party exclusives are good for one thing, because it's what seperates and makes them unique and pushes creativity.

And he was saying consumers are bad fpr liking games that are heavy on story basically.