He says in the first post that the "computer was left on to do work."
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Windows 10 restart/update policy is absurd. Hours of work lost
- Thread starter Senator Toadstool
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He says in the first post that the "computer was left on to do work."
Surely you save your work before you go to bed?
Edit: aha. To DO work. Right.
That's annoying.
yea, if you ignore azure, the fact that they are the top contributor to githib and top contributor to linux, but yea, they don't really do much.
dude, you're coming off as such a microsoft hater.
which doesnt really mean much. What exactly was he running? I've run handbrake encodes for weeks on end without a single issue across windows 10, server 2012 r2 and server 2016.
Thanks, took me a few minutes to find it, I forgot there was an all settings listing that showed everything.
For future reference, you can find it quicker in Computer Configuration > Windows Components > Windows Update.
Azure is a platform, not software. In that space they kill it. I'm not sure what relevance their github or open source contributions has to do with the quality of their actual products.
Their OS and consumer software has declined significantly over the last decade. You're right, I'm not a fan, as I have to manage dev teams and 90% of system issues arise due to a small subset of devs preferences for windows over everything else out there.
OP I completely feel you on this. Last night I was running a soak test on a program I had written. It was supposed to be a 48 hour soak test. It rebooted without my knowledge about 36 hours into the soak test. Not only did the soak test not complete, I didn't even get to see the fucking results of the 36 hours because the profiling report didn't save.
Some absolute bullshit.
Some absolute bullshit.
It's Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update on mine.
haha, you're correct, actually. I forgot the Administrative Templates bit.
I'm sorry for these long posts.
Windows locks files while they are in use, so there are many kinds of updates that cannot be installed without restarting the system (there are also updates which can though).
It's not necessarily a bad thing. With a Unix-based OS live-updating system files, you can run into strange problems when a running process is using an older version of the file that was just updated for example, so it requires that the process - or many times the system - is restarted anyway.
Nobody cares what OS you're running if you keep it on a local network and disconnected from the internet just to play old games.
If you are having this problem every time you update, that points to an issue with the setup honestly.
I misunderstood your point. When you said that was a list of operating systems that "had updates figured out" I thought you were saying that they handled updates better than Windows, not that you were just listing operating systems that don't auto-update.
It's a fundamental difference between how Windows and Unix-based operating systems work.
Windows locks files while they are in use, so there are many kinds of updates that cannot be installed without restarting the system (there are also updates which can though).
It's not necessarily a bad thing. With a Unix-based OS live-updating system files, you can run into strange problems when a running process is using an older version of the file that was just updated for example, so it requires that the process - or many times the system - is restarted anyway.
With Pro you can defer security updates 30 days, and feature updates 365 days. You can also switch to the Semi-Annual Channel which defers feature updates ~3 months behind the Semi-Annual Targeted Channel on top of that (longer if necessary).
It's in Group Policy.
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Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > No auto-restart with logged on users for scheduled automatic updates installationsSave the following as a ".reg" file and import it to the registry (regedit.exe must be run as admin)
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
"NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers"=dword:00000001I haven't tried it, but apparently setting this registry key will get you security updates for XP until 2019-04-09:
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\WPA\PosReady]
"Installed"=dword:00000001It does. Whatever application was running apparently doesn't block the restart and Senator Toadstool should be contacting the developer about this.
You probably actually have work hours set, shut down your system or install updates from time-to-time, rather than expecting that you should never have to restart a computer for any reason ever.
Support (security updates) ends on 2020-01-14 so you should be preparing to upgrade to Windows 10 in ~18 months.
All the faux computer experts running here to throw out their sagely advice of "save often" sound ridiculous.
opened this thread, went to take a shower, came back, windows had an update ready lol
Probably to reinstall the security update I had to delete so I could remote in to my work PC.
Probably to reinstall the security update I had to delete so I could remote in to my work PC.
Tbf he did kinda leave that out of the OP. A processing job of some sort is entirely different of course.
No its related to the BIOS causing a blue screen during the update. Bcd is then corrupted and it will not boot . It also write locks the whole C: partition so no pre boot program can touch it. Not even startup repair. Can't take ownership. Very much a pain in the ass.
The thing is usually you are able to disable this and go on about your business, but locking it now behind a pro license is bullshit.
It sounds very frustrating to deal with, but that's a system problem.
I had another problem on my arcade cabinet, which runs windows 10 home, a while back. This was after the february update. Basically, due to a motherboard combination, there was this weird issue where Windows would update, but windows update would think it DIDN'T update, and thus every single time you'd turn on windows, after about 10 minutes into using the machine, it'd reboot for the update. And there was no way to tell it not to, because it was windows 10 home. And every time it'd update, it would fail, because the update was already installed. So Windows 10 update wouldn't correct itself from thinking it hadn't updated. I actually called microsoft over this, and their solution, I shit you not, was to wait for the next update in a month. And I eventually did, and it did indeed fix the problem. But for about a month, windows would make my arcade machine turn off every 10 minutes or so with absolutely no way to stop it.
What's funny is the problem was actually widespread. When I'd google about it, I could find lots and lots of people with the same issue.
What's funny is the problem was actually widespread. When I'd google about it, I could find lots and lots of people with the same issue.
Some people will tell you that's your fault for skimping on purchasing the Pro license. No sympathy for you!
Heh.
Well this is my problem, because Microsoft seemingly does.
My main partition is macOS (a Hackintosh setup), but I also have a Windows 10 partition (in addition to the aforementioned XP one I made recently), which I boot into to play games. Offline games, I should add, because I'm not really into online play.
I generally keep Windows offline, but since physical PC games aren't a thing anymore, I have to take it online from time to time when I want to buy a new game. And whenever I do so, Microsoft insists on updating Windows—often taking all my bandwidth away from the new game I'm trying to download. I could of course avoid this problem partially by keeping Windows 10 online—but I don't boot into Windows all that often in the first place. So if I kept windows online, it would need to install an update basically every single time I booted into that partition to play a game.
I'm not doing any online functions other than occasional Steam purchases, so security shouldn't be a concern here. I would much rather stay on base Windows 10 and not update at all. Worst case scenario, I just format the whole thing.
(This is also one of many reasons I prefer GoG and other DRM free stores. I can just download a game on my Mac partition and move it to Windows 10, without taking Windows 10 online)
Edit: I should mention, this isn't an active problem anymore, I eventually broke down and purchased Windows 10 Pro. The fact that I had to is ridiculous.
It doesn't.
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That's typical of any device/OS that you don't really use often really. Every time I try to take my Switch online, it tells me I have to update first too.
If you're only taking the OS online every month or two, you're behind on critical security updates and that's a priority as soon as it's connected to the internet. I don't think it's unreasonable.
Security updates are not just about protecting your own data. Infected systems can take down large parts of the internet as a whole.
Are you sure? The group policy editor doesn't say that it's restricted to Pro or Enterprise editions of Windows 10, and they have been getting stricter about those restrictions.
Previously, it might have said that a setting would only work on Enterprise editions, but would still work for example. "Privacy" tools often ended up breaking things that way.
Just an FYI for those who want to upgrade to Win 10 Pro from Home to disable automatic updates but don't want to pay for it -- if you have an old Win 7 or 8 Pro key (or higher) you can use that to upgrade your system for no cost. Just change the key and it will do the rest. I just did it a few minutes ago.
Before I started keeping my Windows 10 partition mostly offline—and, later, broke down and bought Windows 10 Pro—my Windows partition was borderline unusable. I realize that sounds hyperbolic, but if I have a half hour of free time to play a game, and Windows spends the first 15 minutes installing updates because I haven't booted into it for a while—or, if it insists on installing updates before it lets me reboot back into macOS so I can do work or what have you—I'm not able to use it. I basically couldn't game on my PC.
I realize a dual boot environment isn't that common, but it's an important use case that Microsoft made a terrible experience due to their policies.
My PS4, which I also only use maybe once a month, doesn't force me to update unless I'm playing a new game, or trying to play online (which never happens since I don't have PS+). My Switch also lets me defer updates, and the updates install within a couple of minutes.
Well, my computer is usually offline, so it's not going to be of much use to a botnet. All of those un-updated Android phones, or random routers, are going to be a much better botnet target. And besides, this is a Windows install I use for video games—I'm going to notice if my performance suddenly gets ruined.
What about all the literally millions upon millions of Android phones that don't receive carrier updates, and random unpatched ISP routers? Is anyone making a legitimate, quantifiable effort to prevent these attack points? I realize you have to start somewhere, but it seems to me that if Windows is no longer an easy target, the botnets will just move onto something else.
And I don't think Microsoft cares. I think they're making updates mandatory because they want to push their "ecosystem" on users. They don't want another Windows 8 situation where people choose to stay on an older OS because they don't like the new additions Microsoft has added. And I'm not referring to security patches.
I have tried this particular setting in the past and it did not work. Maybe they've fixed it since then. Or it could have been an issue with my machine, although contrary to what it may sound like, I have a pretty basic Windows 10 install.
You can schedule updates for a specific time on Home.
this is an opinion, not a fact.
However, if you think Windows XP and Windows 7 are better than Windows 10, i have no idea what to tell you. As for their open source contributions you said literally "the only thing microsoft contributes of value is vscode" which, would be factually incorrect.
Windows 10 is the best windows IMO and i've been using it since 3.1 and MS DOS.
Not really sure what you mean by their consumer software has declined significantly, there are literally thousands of microsoft programs that they make im sure some suck ass and some are great.
In the "software space". I was talking about their actual software.
Windows 10 is far from the best windows, windows 7 was much better from a usability perspective. XP was great for the time.
Microsofts contributions to the platform and SaaS far exceed their desktop contributions in recent years. O365 and Azure etc. From a desktop application, VSCode is the only great thing they've brought out IMO.
It's cool, you're a Microsoft fanboy and you want to label me a hater. I don't really care about loyalties to companies, I care about what makes my workday and life more efficient... Microsoft is not the company that delivers on that. Just getting NPM and build scripts operational on windows, even with almost identical environments between multiple devices is a complete chore and often a multi hour task. Run a script with a file open in a text editor? Tough luck, your chances are high of seeing ERR everywhere in your build logs. Problems that don't exist even on Windows 7 machines.
With large dev teams, linux and mac are far easier to support unless they're doing .NET or game dev, my opinion isn't unique or an outlier in that regard. Something as simple as the fact that applications can be installed anywhere and add whatever the hell they want to the registry makes it very difficult to manage. You certainly don't have that issue on mac and you can put measures in place to avoid it on linux.
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The arcade cabinet was a hardware issue that is entirely deserving of sympathy. And I wouldn't tell that person to buy Pro, because running an arcade cabinet is not a critical job related deal.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but is there a particular reason you were running Windows for it instead of, say, Linux? There are distros that are really easy to setup specifically for this.
Oh sure, let's say OP adheres to this ridiculous update practice. The worst can still happen. I've stepped away from my computer for 10 to 15 minutes only to find it had restarted itself with an update and shut off and lost my unsaved work. Why? Well because the update window popped up while I was away with a countdown along the lines of "Update will begin in 58 seconds..." unless you choose one of the alternate times in the box before the it hits zero.
It's fucking bullshit that an update box with a countdown could pop up randomly that fucks you over if you happen to be away from your computer for even 5 minutes!
It's why I don't fuck with windows unless I *have* to for work.
...because it's an arcade machine meant to run the latest games.
Is there any way to root windows and remove the update service altogether completely? I just want to get around this bullshit forever.
That was why I asked. If it's running stuff on Steam or whatever, sure, but when I hear people running their own arcade machine(s) it's usually running stuff like MAME. I guess prefacing really is a dead idea!
So you want to leave your computer fully exposed to future exploits?
What the fuck is with this "Updates are evil" nonsense that people are pushing. All the people who complain about their phones not getting an update, yet everyone bitches about Windows updates that are CONSISTENTLY ON THE 2ND TUSEDAY OF THE MONTH.
It's not like they are catching you with your pants down, there are a ton of signs that there are updates coming, I have never had a single issue at all with my PC forcing an update I didn't want to do because I actually turn off my computer and allow it to patch when I'm done for the day.
For example, on my surface pro it wants to download an 8 gb update and I only have 4 gb free. I have the 64 gb model so I'm very cramped for space. I'm absolutely not going to clear space because that would mean uninstalling programs like photoshop and maya. So I always have a full screen popup telling me to clear space because it cant download. Oh, and it already filled up that extra 4 gb on my computer which is slowing it down since I have no space left.
Basically, windows update is a worse virus than whatever id probably catch.
fucking lol at this ignorance
y'all wanna take a reactive approach to information security and it's fucking hilarious to me.
Transfer files to OneDrive / Storage medium of your choosing, Install the update, then wipe the cache if there is no issues.
This isn't rocket science.
Dude.
This isn't some grand Illuminati plot for world domination.
There are 2 major windows updates a year. 2!! Everything else is a monthly cumulative update that is all bug fixes / exploit prevention.
This is Anti-vaxxer tier of ignorance
I have almost no space taken up by normal files. Its all programs installed to my c drive. I dont think its easy to just back them up like that. There's files they use everywhere, not just in one folder. And im not uninstalling and re installing all those programs for a stupid update.
Edit: it seems like the majority of the space is in program files so I could pretty easily clear some more space by deleting their folders and backing them up, but its probably still gonna take a long time to upload 4 gb of space on my internet speed. A lot of hassle and annoyance.
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except that they didnt change the way they do updates. Windows defender gets definitions almost every day to sometimes multiple times a day. Windows updates come out the second Tuesday of every month, sometimes out of band or emergency updates get pushed but these are rare. New features come out twice a year, this is literally the only new thing with windows 10.
its amazing how many people *think* they know about windows updates, but don't really know jack. also fucking LOL at recommending people turn off windows updates service.
sorry to hear op, ive been lucky so far even though i run windows 10 home on my laptop. for some reason windows wont restart by itself anymore though i did configure my active hours properly
btw, it did restart often whenever i came back from lunch for example i would find everything closed on my laptop but i think changing active hours changed that.
btw, it did restart often whenever i came back from lunch for example i would find everything closed on my laptop but i think changing active hours changed that.
Automatic updates were handled differently in previous operating systems.
no, you're a hater because you keep trying to pass your opinion(s) off as fact, and your experiences off as fact.
I have no experience with NPM, except for using it to setup a SONOS api in windows(which i had zero problems with) in a dev environment with so it would be ridiculous of me to tell you that your experience is wrong, yet here we are what your doing.
only in the sense that they gave you different options, than what are in windows 10 pro and enterprise, for scheduling it. For the most part its pretty much the same.
Every person in this thread is posting "opinion", including yourself.
If your opinion that the following consistency is a good OS, good for you. I can only speak to the fact that as someone who has worked in the software development industry for nearly 20 years, that it is in fact a very poorly developed bit of software compared to its competitors. Microsoft has taken the approach of release early, release often and it has some truly fundamental implications when dealing with an OS.
