Movie should have been 2:30-3hrs imo. Could have fleshed it out.
And it's funny, this movie has people in their feelings lol.
And it's funny, this movie has people in their feelings lol.
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Black Panther - Great story but didn't like it
- Thread starter Bruceleeroy
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I hated the first half of the movie. Enjoyed the second half. Story wasn't bad, but it's far from a masterpiece that most people on here make it out to be. The first half felt like an 80's montage with how many different locations it jumped between, without adding any real value. It's such a lazy method of story telling.
The CGI was so bad that it was actually distracting, they should have pared it down and focussed more on character development. I'm generally not a fan of MCU movies though, I actually cannot stand the avengers.
The CGI was so bad that it was actually distracting, they should have pared it down and focussed more on character development. I'm generally not a fan of MCU movies though, I actually cannot stand the avengers.
I think I was a victim of the hype and positive word of mouth by waiting so long to see it (last week). Felt like a Phase 1 Marvel movie, very basic and predictable. Michael B Jordan's character fell totally flat for me too. The motivation for the character was there in the plot but I didn't like the way he was portrayed.
Oh and I kept waiting for the CGI to get bad since everyone complained about it, but I thought it was fine... then the final fight happened. Yikes.
Oh and I kept waiting for the CGI to get bad since everyone complained about it, but I thought it was fine... then the final fight happened. Yikes.
I'm going to be real with y'all: I've never really noticed the so bad effects everyone is talking about but I'm not going to argue with the nerd intelligentsia for deciding BP's CG is so bad.
Pacing a bit slow while it world-builds and focuses on characters? Ok. BP doesn't feel as tactile as he did in Civil War? For sure. The CGI is the worst we've seen evar? I honestly don't see it.
I didn't mind the final fight, at all. It doesn't look any worse to me than most MCU films and definitely not to the point that everyone makes it to be.
Pacing a bit slow while it world-builds and focuses on characters? Ok. BP doesn't feel as tactile as he did in Civil War? For sure. The CGI is the worst we've seen evar? I honestly don't see it.
I didn't mind the final fight, at all. It doesn't look any worse to me than most MCU films and definitely not to the point that everyone makes it to be.
Agree with this, dude has to die because that's what happens throughout history. Sankara, Garvey, Malcolm X, the moment you get angry dudes shouting about black identity then they're taken down sooner or later.
This is the biggest problem I had with the movie, Killmonger turns up and has the audience going "Yeah, fuck yeah. This guy's got a point".
You need to have T'Challa offer a resounding counterpoint, but you never really get that. Killmonger goes full on psycho war hawk and that's the end of that debate. We're told that T'Challa is the leader of his people but you never see any evidence of him being able to lead, it's a real shame.
Discussions on the effects of colonialism and the plight of Black people needs more jokes.
Yeah that was the best fight in the movie.
That's a good point (the Batman Begins and Dark Knight comments).
If BP had gone as practical in its fight scenes as Nolan does (for example, building a waterfall set in an actual mountain location), it could have been truly breathtaking.
I certainly noticed the rhinos, but frankly didn't give a shit about that or anything else.
I thought Malcolm X changed over time, though, no? After his trip to Mecca?
I mean, I noticed the Rhinos. I noticed Thanos, too but none of that ruin a thing for me or would I call a negative.
But I'd see people LAUGH about the final fight in the suits and honestly puzzled at what is so bad. No one that I've talked to the film about in real life ever mentioned the "bad CGI" either so it's literally a complaint I've only read online on nerd forums.
I just figured geeks picked that to be the issue they harp on and never thought much about it besides that.
I was reading that shit so confused, I'm wondering if this is a burner account.
I generally enjoyed Black Panther and am glad that it has had the impact that it has had.
It did have a lot of problems, namely the pacing and storytelling structure. It would have also been much better served by not making Killmonger a "villain" and just leaving him as the "antagonist." It's also one of the movies where the last act really didn't need to be a huge CGI battle, and really could have used a smaller, more personal climax.
I'm interested to see where Black Panther 2 goes, because opening Wakanda up to the world has been nothing but misery for Wakandans* and in the real world there would be an immediate political backlash for it, but they already did that story in the first BP. Marvel also tends towards integrating the sequels with other franchises but that may not feel right.
*"Let's do a mission in Lagos!" (All the Wakandans are blown up by Crossbones)
"Alright, well then let's go to the U.N. and make a speech!" (T'Chaka is blown up by Zemo)
"Alright, let's open up the country to help the Avengers!" (Wakanda is attacked by Thanos and his goons)
It did have a lot of problems, namely the pacing and storytelling structure. It would have also been much better served by not making Killmonger a "villain" and just leaving him as the "antagonist." It's also one of the movies where the last act really didn't need to be a huge CGI battle, and really could have used a smaller, more personal climax.
I'm interested to see where Black Panther 2 goes, because opening Wakanda up to the world has been nothing but misery for Wakandans* and in the real world there would be an immediate political backlash for it, but they already did that story in the first BP. Marvel also tends towards integrating the sequels with other franchises but that may not feel right.
*"Let's do a mission in Lagos!" (All the Wakandans are blown up by Crossbones)
"Alright, well then let's go to the U.N. and make a speech!" (T'Chaka is blown up by Zemo)
"Alright, let's open up the country to help the Avengers!" (Wakanda is attacked by Thanos and his goons)
To be honest, I expected more of it after all the hype. I liked the change of tone and setting, but I didnt care much for Killmonger (well acted tho). I did like everything about Wakanda, but I wouldnt mind if they took it down a notch, it looked like "lets throw everything African in a blender and then some". So, a 7/10 I guess for me.
maybe I don't think so is why I didn't mind Black Panther?
this forum is so toteslitarian, you get banned for not liking Black Panter yuk yuk
I have no idea how that's possible.
You're telling me you don't think that looks awful? It's not like the whole movie looked terrible but it had some very noticeable moments, that sequence in particularly, that looked downright terrible.
I liked the movie, but after Killmonger knocks out T'Challa they really start just rushing to get to the climax.
For a society so based around tradition, they just immediately do what this outsider tells them to do with like... no fucking resistance (Despite the fact that Killmonger didnt follow their rules by allowing T'Challa to surrender before throwing him off the waterfall).
Like I get W'Kabi and his crew want to do what Erik wants since he shares a common interest, but why does everyone else just along with this shit (again he didnt even follow the rules of the fight).
Hell when T'Challa comes back and says the duel isnt over, everyone should have stopped right there.
The last third of the movie just really falls short for me (besides the last moments when T'Challa and Erik are on the peak), just a lot of bad CGI and uninteresting fight choreography.
But overall I still think its a good film, but I wouldnt put it above the GotG movies or Ragnarok.
For a society so based around tradition, they just immediately do what this outsider tells them to do with like... no fucking resistance (Despite the fact that Killmonger didnt follow their rules by allowing T'Challa to surrender before throwing him off the waterfall).
Like I get W'Kabi and his crew want to do what Erik wants since he shares a common interest, but why does everyone else just along with this shit (again he didnt even follow the rules of the fight).
Hell when T'Challa comes back and says the duel isnt over, everyone should have stopped right there.
The last third of the movie just really falls short for me (besides the last moments when T'Challa and Erik are on the peak), just a lot of bad CGI and uninteresting fight choreography.
But overall I still think its a good film, but I wouldnt put it above the GotG movies or Ragnarok.
I think your criticisms are fair but it's all about what you are looking for in these films; great action enhances a movie for me but the core important factors are the story, setting and acting which I all thought were excellent. Also I thought the action in the South Korea scenes was great, so that helped my enjoyment.
awful because I can tell it's CG?
really, what's so awful and downright terrible there? Can you explain why without just saying it's bad? Cause I swear I don't get it
He did look great and I have no complaints. I could tell he was CG though but my stance isn't "I can tell this is CG, how awful"
The real power of BP is its dedication to symbolism, allegories, and nuance when it comes to racial commentary.
What Wakanda means to the world and Black people across the globe
What Killmonger represents for Black Americans
The Pan Africanism on a global mainstream platform
The positive character models that are on display
The powerful feminism on display
The movie was made with so much love and it shows. It has so much to say and it shows. Its just so damn thoughtful. It may fail in some entertainment factor segments (action/CG)
But peoples commentary on the film really does truly reveal who's missing the forest for the trees. Who's looking at this film to simply be a basic movie.... and who's taking the film as it is and appreciating what it has to say and the context to have that message at such a shitty time period in American History.
Also BP could have been balls to the wall like IW and there would STILL be a decent portion of people who couldn't not give a shit less for the film, the criticism would morph to it being "just a superhero flick".
Black Panther was never going to please every single person on earth. What movie ever has?
What Wakanda means to the world and Black people across the globe
What Killmonger represents for Black Americans
The Pan Africanism on a global mainstream platform
The positive character models that are on display
The powerful feminism on display
The movie was made with so much love and it shows. It has so much to say and it shows. Its just so damn thoughtful. It may fail in some entertainment factor segments (action/CG)
But peoples commentary on the film really does truly reveal who's missing the forest for the trees. Who's looking at this film to simply be a basic movie.... and who's taking the film as it is and appreciating what it has to say and the context to have that message at such a shitty time period in American History.
Also BP could have been balls to the wall like IW and there would STILL be a decent portion of people who couldn't not give a shit less for the film, the criticism would morph to it being "just a superhero flick".
Black Panther was never going to please every single person on earth. What movie ever has?
The animations are completely lifeless, they're no weight to them at all and the very obvious computer camera movement make the whole thing very obviously fake. Compare something like
Thanos and the Hulk fighting where I know it's CG but it feels real because of how weighty and grounded it looks.
I try to not be hyperbolic when I'm being negative about shit but that fight's CG was genuinely awful. To try and dismiss this as, "Oh, it's awful because you can tell it's CG" is, well, dismissive. That's not it at all.
I'm starting to get a sense if you see the movie as average or below average then you didnt get what the movie was trying to say.
Most complain I see is the the cg sucks, I'm like did you try to understand the movie, the conversations it's trying to bring up.
I guess some of you just want another angry panther dude with good action scenes and cg.
And that poster about too many African cultures blended together, take time to research just how well he made all the cultures work in sync.
Most complain I see is the the cg sucks, I'm like did you try to understand the movie, the conversations it's trying to bring up.
I guess some of you just want another angry panther dude with good action scenes and cg.
And that poster about too many African cultures blended together, take time to research just how well he made all the cultures work in sync.
Its way too weightless. I know they are agile, but they just come off as having no mass, and thus looking almost a a bad videogame cutscene. Like look at this shot.
Like I get that the area is magnetic, but this still just dosent look good.
I also watched it recently and I didn't really like it. It was too long like it dragged, the action wasn't that great. The CGI that involved Black Panther was REALLY BAD. Why did the end sequence even need both Black Panthers to be CGI the whole fight could have been practical effects nothing they were doing seemed impossible for 2 stunt doubles to pull off. The costumes and art direction were nice.
I didn't like they killed Claw. Like don't kill off all your villains off Marvel.
Outside of the usage of practical effects versus an over reliance on CG, absolutely. The action and choreography in Nolan's Batman films are certified mediocrity, and that fact is well documented.
This post is getting pushback from people who feel insecure, but it's 100% right.
No, I don't think everyone who didn't like Black Panther is racist, but whenever black art gets celebrated, it also has the most frequent detractors. Not necessarily people saying it's bad, but a whole lot saying "It was good but not THAT great guys." I mean, that's a fine opinion to have, but there's always about 100 of you guys saying the exact same thing thinking you're going against the grain. I see it a lot on Reddit mostly, just a ton of "you know it was just an average Marvel film with nothing new to say, I don't get why it was overhyped".
Like, I get it, you don't like it. I'm sure you don't like a lot of movies. But for some reason, more than anything, it's always the black films that get the most frequent contrarians. I saw this phenomenon with Get Out, especially after it was nominated for an Oscar. No one said shit when that cookie cutter garbage Theory of Everything was nominated though. I don't know, call me a racebaiter or whatever, just something where some introspection might be good.
Its way too weightless. I know they are agile, but they just come off as having no mass, and thus looking almost a a bad videogame cutscene. Like look at this shot.
Like I get that the area is magnetic, but this still just dosent look good.
I appreciate you guys explaining it in a non hyperbolic way. I definitely agree the models are too weightless and BP lacked the tactile feel that he had in BP where he felt real.
It still didn't ruin the film for me or anything. When I think of the film, it's usually quoting the film at length, remembering the character interactions and developments.
Even moments like Killmonger not being able to use the proper accent when he reveals himself, many children of immigrants of this country have that same dynamic, and reinforces the natural divide between N'Jadaka and his family. The film is doing this kind of thing often.
I think Ragnarok is overrated, Spider Man is ok though it feels more like a MCU complement/spin off
It doesn't ruin the film for me either.
Like Ragnarok had terrible green screen during the Norway scenes because of the late re-shoots and that's fine, the movie is still great and I love it. BP is still great and I love it but those fight in particular, and other green screen moments, just looked really bad.
It had people making articles talking about how overworked the industry it:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/24/black-panther-vfx-models/
I really loved the movie. I thought the story was remarkably compelling and resonated with me in a way that honestly few films ever had, superhero or otherwise. To think that the concept of the void was being broached by a Marvel film, on IMAX, sincerely touched me. I thought the cast was wonderful, and the score is one of the best I've heard in years.
My only issue is (minor) the costume, which I think is a decline from the one seen in Civil War, and the oft brought up point of the effects, which indeed are absolutely inexcusable in some places, particularly that infamous final fight between T'Challa and Killmonger. A part of me is actually angered that some scenes were allowed to be released in that state.
My only issue is (minor) the costume, which I think is a decline from the one seen in Civil War, and the oft brought up point of the effects, which indeed are absolutely inexcusable in some places, particularly that infamous final fight between T'Challa and Killmonger. A part of me is actually angered that some scenes were allowed to be released in that state.
Definitely, the action scenes arent really the thing I had an issue with (the last act becoming a typical MCU climax was mines), its just for such an important film I would hope they would polish up a character that really relies on CGI and special effects to sell his powerset. Lets just hope for BP2 they make sure to take those criticisms in mind.
Hm
So this is how it feels when people don't like highly rated films
Craig Robinson from This Is The End was right
So this is how it feels when people don't like highly rated films
Craig Robinson from This Is The End was right
These are excellent posts for real. I agree whole-heartedly.
Black Panther made an obscene amount of money, I don't really care who don't like it: it made enough money that other similar films should be put into production without as much trouble but the rush of contrarian opinions that are all the same?
That part about "going against the grain" by sharing the exact same criticisms as the next dork? fucking church, homie.
You don't like TLJ? Big whoop. The need to tell everyone why you don't like TLJ and it's the exact same reasons all the other people didn't like it? Yeah, it's tiring.