Black Panther - Great story but didn't like it

Deleted member 8901 · May 10, 2018

I wanted to love the movie but the horrifically bad CG ruined it for me. Like nothing about the way those CG characters moved was even remotely realistic. Look more like rubber models than humans with how their movements were animated. Was hoping more for choreographed fight scenes than crappy anime CG fight scenes.

Still a huge fan of MBJ and the soundtrack though.

Mona · May 10, 2018

The movie was fine, I didn't like it as much as I thought I would, the large action scenes were garbage tier, the more personal/grounded fights were better tho,

And I didn't care for biblo being in the movie as much as he was

ParanoidRED · May 10, 2018

It was really just average, outside of the cast and music wich were top notch tho

prophetvx · May 10, 2018

FireSafetyBear said:
Hm

So this is how it feels when people don't like highly rated films

Craig Robinson from This Is The End was right

Art is subjective.

Batman: The Dark Knight is currently ranked 3rd best movie ever made on IMDB. Avengers: Infinity War #5.

I doubt many avid film watchers would agree with that.

Elegant Weapon · May 10, 2018

Einchy said:
It doesn't ruin the film for me either.

Like Ragnarok had terrible green screen during the Norway scenes because of the late re-shoots and that's fine, the movie is still great and I love it. BP is still great and I love it but those fight in particular, and other green screen moments, just looked really bad.

It had people making articles talking about how overworked the industry it:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/24/black-panther-vfx-models/

I wonder how BP's CG would have looked if it kept it's original release date that Spider-Man took

HypedBeast said:
Definitely, the action scenes arent really the thing I had an issue with (the last act becoming a typical MCU climax was mines), its just for such an important film I would hope they would polish up a character that really relies on CGI and special effects to sell his powerset. Lets just hope for BP2 they make sure to take those criticisms in mind.

for me, it's almost all about BP 2 and following sequels. Thor 1 is aight and Thor 2 is outright bad but that didn't stop Thor from getting an awesome 3rd film. Similarly, The Captain America films kept getting better. So to me, it's all about where Black Panther can go after a very fine art superhero "origin" film.

When Wakanda goes to space, I'm going to really lose my shit. Red rocks!

Dusktildawn48 · May 10, 2018

I enjoyed it, but I think the months of hype had me a little dissapointed with it. It wasn't earth shattering. Probably still in the lower end of my top 10 MCU movies though.

ParanoidRED · May 10, 2018

Oh yeah the final fight reminded of this from when i was a kid

Also lol at people saying that MCU fights are terrible when Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War exist

Elegant Weapon · May 10, 2018

Sub Boss said:
I think Ragnarok is overrated, Spider Man is ok though it feels more like a MCU complement/spin off

literally the first I've heard someone say that about Ragnarok. It is a fun ass movie though. Spider-Man is great too, the majority of the recent MCU films are but they do feel long but I'd rather we have more than less

Eidan · May 10, 2018

Goodstyle said:
This post is getting pushback from people who feel insecure, but it's 100% right.

No, I don't think everyone who didn't like Black Panther is racist, but whenever black art gets celebrated, it also has the most frequent detractors. Not necessarily people saying it's bad, but a whole lot saying "It was good but not THAT great guys." I mean, that's a fine opinion to have, but there's always about 100 of you guys saying the exact same thing thinking you're going against the grain. I see it a lot on Reddit mostly, just a ton of "you know it was just an average Marvel film with nothing new to say, I don't get why it was overhyped".

Like, I get it, you don't like it. I'm sure you don't like a lot of movies. But for some reason, more than anything, it's always the black films that get the most frequent contrarians. I saw this phenomenon with Get Out, especially after it was nominated for an Oscar. No one said shit when that cookie cutter garbage Theory of Everything was nominated though. I don't know, call me a racebaiter or whatever, just something where some introspection might be good.

I actually grilled one of my coworkers about this around the time the film came out. He and I talk about movies all the time. Black Panther was the first time he felt the need to tell me that he liked a movie, but didn't think it was "the greatest thing ever". It was weird, and I told him that I thought it was weird. Any other time he'd just say he liked it, and why, or didn't like it and why. But Black Panther was the only time he went out of his way to make sure I understood how a critically acclaimed movie that he liked wasn't special.

Sword Familiar · May 10, 2018

I enjoyed it a lot, actually. Was pleasantly surprised.

Croash · May 10, 2018

It did bore me during too many scenes and I agree with many of OP's points. However it probably is the most important movie production since the MCU began (not talking about the superhero stories here).

Culturally important with an excellent cast and wonderful designs, I'm glad it's enjoying a well deserved success.

wisdom0wl · May 10, 2018

Still in my top 5 MCU movies tbh

The only things I don't like are the CGI and slightly hammy performance from MBJ.

I still wanna know why Iron Man 1's effects look better than the newer movies.

Burrman · May 10, 2018

I agree. I have no idea why I see so much praise for it. I still like it a lot but it's near the bottom of my MCU list. I thought all the acting was great besides MBJ. I thought he acted pretty bad even though I liked the character.

Joule · May 10, 2018

it was good. 8th or 9th on my mcu list

Jombie · May 10, 2018

MBJ is criminally underused, he should have been introduced towards the beginning. He and the supporting cast are so good that T'Challa is the weak link in his own movie. And the visual effects at the end are just depressing and come close to derailing the entire movie.

Cybersai · May 10, 2018

I'm glad to see so many people here disliking the movie or admitting it was just average. Most of the movie was pretty badly paced, the dream sequences, the casino, shooting down the ships at the end, the rest of it was just The Lion king.

One of the worst Marvel movies and I'm glad the hype is finally dying down. Even Thor II was better.

PRrambo_ · May 10, 2018

Playco Armboy said:
You know, I always wonder why Black Panther is the movie most people make 'it's overrated!!!' threads about, and not say Thor: Ragnarok or Spider-Man: Homecoming despite those also getting great reviews.

And it's like, people really feel the need to point out they thought it was average too.

Spider-Man homecoming is often chided as overrated by people who refuse to set down their Raimi Colored Sunglasses

Dusktildawn48 · May 10, 2018

Cybersai said:
I'm glad to see so many people here disliking the movie or admitting it was just average. Most of the movie was pretty badly paced, the dream sequences, the casino, shooting down the ships at the end, the rest of it was just The Lion king.

One of the worst Marvel movies and I'm glad the hype is finally dying down. Even Thor II was better.

That last sentence is insane . R u OK?

shenden · May 10, 2018

I sort of agree. I like the character and concept, but this movie felt bland and did nothing to me. Also, i though the actionscenes and cgi were poor.

psynergyadept · May 10, 2018

I enjoyed it but that final battle was a CGI nightmare.

kruis · May 10, 2018

It was one of the weakest Marvel movies so far IMO. The little humor the movie offered always missed the target, there were few big action scenes and they were all poorly done. Black Panther made much more of an impression in Avengers: Civil War than in his standalone movie. I can understand why this movie resonated for black Americans, but I'm not in that demographics and the movie didn't work for me at all. I had much more fun watching Dr. Strange, Ant Man and Thor: Ragnarok. (Haven't seen the latest Avengers movie yet).

Oh, and that big action scene with the rampaging rhinos was laughably bad.

BadWolf · May 10, 2018

I didn't find it to be bad or anything but at the same time didn't find it to be special in any way either, it was just okay.

Eidan · May 10, 2018

Cybersai said:
I'm glad to see so many people here disliking the movie or admitting it was just average. Most of the movie was pretty badly paced, the dream sequences, the casino, shooting down the ships at the end, the rest of it was just The Lion king.

One of the worst Marvel movies and I'm glad the hype is finally dying down. Even Thor II was better.

Badly paced? I honestly can't think of a single scene that didn't have an obvious purpose. It's such a lean movie that scenes that should have been in (like Okoye and W'Kabi's argument) got cut.

Cybersai · May 10, 2018

The amount of hate the movie is getting in this thread is pretty surprising, I remember the review thread had glowing praise.

TheGhost · May 10, 2018

Idk, I think I liked BP more in CW than in his own movie. Though he didn't do much in IW I liked him there too. I like him with more heroes around and interacting with other big names of the universe. Didn't care about the supporting casts story in his movie outside of shuri. I could have watched a whole movie of just those two going on adventures (outside of Wakanda)

____ · May 10, 2018

Agreed. I think I said this in the mega-thread but didn't wanna rain on people's parades.

It was a good movie, but nothing that was "the best film ever created". Wasn't mad I saw it, but won't watch it again. The action scenes in particular were MEH. Including the final battle.

Edit: sorry, to preface this, I believe I've probably only seen 2 of the MCU movies, and just generally not interested in the genre. The hype got me. And dat all-black cast.

And I'm black asf. @ me.

KingM · May 10, 2018

Cybersai said:
The amount of hate the movie is getting in this thread is pretty surprising, I remember the review thread had glowing praise.

The Internet cycle of Best ever to eh to trash to best ever.

I didn't think it was that good either though. Just another OK Marvel movie .

Edgar · May 10, 2018

I think it's competent to good movie that has heart but the actual quality of film making lets it down quite a bit . I understand the significance and cultural impact it had , but for me personally its like top 6th MCU movie . I wished it transcended superhero genre , alas

Da-Kid · May 10, 2018

Okoye is fucking GOAT. I really like her character, her dedication, her actress, and her badassery.

I'm pretty sure she can take Black Widow.

pollo · May 10, 2018

LOL superhero movies

This was the only one i didnt fall asleep for. Especially Infinity War zzz Winter BOREdier.

Id take a million black panthers over terrible shit like Thor Ragnarok or Infinity War LOL

Dark Ninja · May 10, 2018

Eidan said:
Badly paced? I honestly can't think of a single scene that didn't have an obvious purpose. It's such a lean movie that scenes that should have been in (like Okoye and W'Kabi's argument) got cut.

They could/should have cut all of Everett Ross's scenes including his part in the final battle he was pointless. He wasn't even needed to introduce Wakanda to the audience since it had already been done 30 min before he even shows up in the movie. Movie was too long for me. All the Black Panther scenes look bad too not just the last scene. The car chase in particular just looked rushed/unfinished like they ran out of their budget. I liked the casino fight mostly cause it was practical and no cgi. The fights should have been more like the ones in Civil War.

Eidan · May 10, 2018

Dark Ninja said:
They could/should have cut all of Everett Ross's scenes including his part in the final battle he was pointless. He wasn't even needed to introduce Wakanda to the audience since it had already been done 30 min before he even shows up in the movie. Movie was too long for me. All the Black Panther scenes look bad too not just the last scene. The car chase in particular just looked rushed/unfinished like they ran out of their budget. I liked the casino fight mostly cause it was practical and no cgi.

Nah. Ross's inclusion makes perfect sense thematically with the film. Besides that, Martin added some great levity to his scenes.

I'm honestly baffled by the talking point that the movie was long or boring. As I said before, it's an incredibly lean film.

Dusktildawn48 · May 10, 2018

pollo said:
LOL superhero movies

This was the only one i didnt fall asleep for. Especially Infinity War zzz Winter BOREdier.

Id take a million black panthers over terrible shit like Thor Ragnarok or Infinity War LOL

Youre so freaking cool. I wish I could be just like you.

Kurdel · May 10, 2018

pollo said:
LOL superhero movies

This was the only one i didnt fall asleep for. Especially Infinity War zzz Winter BOREdier.

Id take a million black panthers over terrible shit like Thor Ragnarok or Infinity War LOL

I always check the sign up date and post number for thse troll posts, always less than a 100 posts since oct 2017

Lord Brady · May 10, 2018

It's a typical Marvel movie. Not great. Not bad. Really competently made. With the exception of GOTG1, Iron Man and to a lesser degree Ragnarok, I haven't been all that impressed with Marvel movies. They're really well made but apparently just not made for me.

DigitalOp · May 10, 2018

Cybersai said:
I'm glad to see so many people here disliking the movie or admitting it was just average. Most of the movie was pretty badly paced, the dream sequences, the casino, shooting down the ships at the end, the rest of it was just The Lion king.

One of the worst Marvel movies and I'm glad the hype is finally dying down. Even Thor II was better.

I was waiting for this take to show up, but y'all let Cybersai do it? Shameful...

I have half a mind to make a thread about movie terminology, because some of y'all REALLY do not understand what pacing means...

Black Panther is one of leanest superhero films on the market. To say the movie is badly paced shows how ignorant someone is on movie terminology.

PostModernMaybe · May 10, 2018

I guess the internet movie opinion cycle had to come for BP eventually

I still think its dope *shrug*

LakeEarth · May 10, 2018

I think I'm in the same boat. The majority of the action was tame, and the special effects were so bad that I'm convinced that all of the talented artists in the world were too busy with Avengers to deal with this movie.

I liked the acting, I liked their characterizations, and I liked that it had more layers compared to other Marvel movies. But something about it didn't get me as amped up as most other MCU movies get me. I'd put it equal to Dr. Strange for me.

Xita · May 10, 2018

PostModernMaybe said:
I guess the internet movie opinion cycle had to come for BP eventually

I still think its dope *shrug*

It still is.

Kyoufu · May 10, 2018

One of my favourite films in the MCU tbh. The characters, visuals and soundtrack were all superb.

Deleted member 21339 · May 10, 2018

Bruceleeroy said:
You know that is possible. The only fight that I remember liking was with Killmonger but I have to be honest I wanted him to win that fight. I actually wanted him to be the Black Panther. At the end I couldn't stop thinking about how great it would be if he actually took over.

Why? He was a tyrannical asshole.

Mario · May 10, 2018

The movie was just ok.

Deleted member 33533 · May 10, 2018

Cybersai said:
The amount of hate the movie is getting in this thread is pretty surprising, I remember the review thread had glowing praise.

It's not getting nearly that much hate as you seem to be seeing. There are way more people who enjoy it. It just makes sense that in a thread that's literally about not thinking the movie was good, that it would attract those who also think the movie was not good. Maybe you guys were in the review thread but the glowing praise drowned you out. That praise is still there too, by the way.

Griselbrand · May 10, 2018

Hobbesian Thudercat said:
Or maybe you're being way too sensitive to criticisms of the film?

He's right but that's going off of my personal experience.

Usually the people I hang out with are content to say they didn't like a movie or think it sucked, but more and more I've come across some that are irritated that people enjoy it so much (sometimes specifically black people) or mock the praise for BP as the best movie ever.

I don't know how else to put it, but it really comes across as people want to hate on the movie hard because it stands for so much more than just a big standard Marvel flick.

It's ok to not like it on its own, you probably feel that way, but I have to give some people a side eye when they begin to mock its very real impact in an indirect manner.

cosmicblizzard · May 10, 2018

Found it to be serviceable, but nothing special. Pretty standard MCU movie, nothing more and nothing less. If Infinity War hadn't been on the horizon, I would have been in no rush to see it.

Killmonger was a cool villain though.

ToD_ · May 10, 2018

I did not like Michael B. Jordan's performance as much as I would have hoped. I remember liking him a lot in Creed, but felt something was off with his performance in Black Panther. In addition, I would agree with the CG criticism.

That being said, I really enjoyed the movie and would rank it highly among the films in the MCU. I even remember having a bit of a bad evening and I was confident it would negatively affect my experience. However, the movie was full of positive vibes for me, and it changed my evening for the better.

Yasuke · May 10, 2018

Griselbrand said:
He's right but that's going off of my personal experience.

Usually the people I hang out with are content to say they didn't like a movie or think it sucked, but more and more I've come across some that are irritated that people enjoy it so much (sometimes specifically black people) or mock the praise for BP as the best movie ever.

I don't know how else to put it, but it really comes across as people want to hate on the movie hard because it stands for so much more than just a big standard Marvel flick.

It's ok to not like it on its own, you probably feel that way, but I have to give some people a side eye when they begin to mock its very real impact in an indirect manner.

My white ass roommate spent the better part of an hour poking holes in the film to me and my girl one night.

You'd think Coogler fucked his girl in a past life.

Jackpot · May 10, 2018

What bothered me is that for a setting that was supposed to be inspiring and showing a what-if of Africa at its greatest, they followed the "failed state" route exactly.

Stop me if you've heard this before:

Heirs to a ruling family with competing claims fight, leading to the current rulers being deposed and fleeing into exile after one of the heirs allies with the nation's military strongman. The situation quickly devolves into a civil war until the government-in-exile regains power with the help of the CIA.

Hobbesian Thudercat · May 10, 2018

Griselbrand said:
He's right but that's going off of my personal experience.

Usually the people I hang out with are content to say they didn't like a movie or think it sucked, but more and more I've come across some that are irritated that people enjoy it so much (sometimes specifically black people) or mock the praise for BP as the best movie ever.

I don't know how else to put it, but it really comes across as people want to hate on the movie hard because it stands for so much more than just a big standard Marvel flick.

It's ok to not like it on its own, you probably feel that way, but I have to give some people a side eye when they begin to mock its very real impact in an indirect manner.

Of course there's Lilliputs out there with axes to grind. But to behave like every person criticizing the film is one of these people is just as much of a problem.

HP_Wuvcraft · May 10, 2018

Birdseye said:
It was too long and I feel like some subplots could have been removed. Amazing cast though

The fact that they cut the scene in which they justify W'Kabi's betrayal was stupid. Marvel gets way too up their ass about their formula sometimes, while at others (Iron Man 3, Ragnarok), they let loose.

Black Panther - Great story but didn't like it

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