I didn't remember that. I think I saw that episode before watching Winter Soldier. Even if you didn't see Winter Soldier first, the Hydra reveal doesn't necessarily spoil the ending of Winter Soldier does it? I didn't even really remember who Hydra was at the time so you could have replaced Hydra with any secret evil organization and it wouldn't have made a difference to me. I think using the IW ending would be a bigger deal.
So like, why are people strongly hinting what happened in Infinity War again?
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Man, we've never had a cliffhanger like this in the show's entire history. Not only are they faced with a impossible choice that may shake up the team in a major way, but everyone's also curious as to just how far the IW ties will go lol
I didn't remember that. I think I saw that episode before watching Winter Soldier. Even if you didn't see Winter Soldier first, the Hydra reveal doesn't necessarily spoil the ending of Winter Soldier does it? I didn't even really remember who Hydra was at the time so you could have replaced Hydra with any secret evil organization and it wouldn't have made a difference to me. I think using the IW ending would be a bigger deal.
I think it definitely would have. The Hydra reveal was a big deal, especially the big reveal that they had many agents already undercover within S.H.I.E.L.D., it was one of the biggest components of the movie. That was definitely huge spoiler territory that crossed over into AoS.
So like, why are people strongly hinting what happened in Infinity War again?
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Man, we've never had a cliffhanger like this in the show's entire history. Not only are they faced with a impossible choice that may shake up the team in a major way, but everyone's also curious as to just how far the IW ties will go lol
So basically Talbot rips the gravitonium in the earth and that cracks it eh. Man has Talbot even thought that through? Like bro if you destroy earth you'll have no earth to protect and be a "hero" of lol. Gravitonium is one hell of a drug
Just thinking about this, and I think that's the swerve. I'll post my speculation in spoilers, even though there's no IW info:
Thinking this through, future Yoyo said trying to save Coulson is what ended the world. Well, Daisy was trying to save Coulson by going this whole centipede route and now they have a potential Talbot stopping option. Now of course next episode they're going to have to choose what to do, and after much debate they would logically choose to use it on Talbot to save the Earth rather than save 1 man. BUT, what if that's what sets Talbot off? We know the centipede formula can potentially make a normal Human explode violently if it goes wrong, what do we think will happen if it makes Graviton kerplode? Sounds like something that would crack the planet wide open. I think the swerve will be to not use it on Graviton and instead use it on Coulson so he can do something to stop Graviton. Maybe let Graviton absorb him so Coulson can get through to him in his mind?
Just thinking about this, and I think that's the swerve. I'll post my speculation in spoilers, even though there's no IW info:
Thinking this through, future Yoyo said trying to save Coulson is what ended the world. Well, Daisy was trying to save Coulson by going this whole centipede route and now they have a potential Talbot stopping option. Now of course next episode they're going to have to choose what to do, and after much debate they would logically choose to use it on Talbot to save the Earth rather than save 1 man. BUT, what if that's what sets Talbot off? We know the centipede formula can potentially make a normal Human explode violently if it goes wrong, what do we think will happen if it makes Graviton kerplode? Sounds like something that would crack the planet wide open. I think the swerve will be to not use it on Graviton and instead use it on Coulson so he can do something to stop Graviton. Maybe let Graviton absorb him so Coulson can get through to him in his mind?
Just thinking about this, and I think that's the swerve. I'll post my speculation in spoilers, even though there's no IW info:
Thinking this through, future Yoyo said trying to save Coulson is what ended the world. Well, Daisy was trying to save Coulson by going this whole centipede route and now they have a potential Talbot stopping option. Now of course next episode they're going to have to choose what to do, and after much debate they would logically choose to use it on Talbot to save the Earth rather than save 1 man. BUT, what if that's what sets Talbot off? We know the centipede formula can potentially make a normal Human explode violently if it goes wrong, what do we think will happen if it makes Graviton kerplode? Sounds like something that would crack the planet wide open. I think the swerve will be to not use it on Graviton and instead use it on Coulson so he can do something to stop Graviton. Maybe let Graviton absorb him so Coulson can get through to him in his mind?
After the Fitzsimmons conversation it seemed like a way forward and thematically inline with the show. Maybe trying to kill Talbot is pointless anyway because he's going to get dusted and that problem just goes away, along with the gravitonium. That specific variation may be leaning too heavily on IW.
The audio I heard was, "Destruction and cleanup continues after the (or another, can't remember) extra terrestrial invasion".
Also, just how much damage did that giant spinning donut do to New York? It didn't look like all that much. It didn't crash into any buildings and it seemed to fly away fairly quickly.
Also, just how much damage did that giant spinning donut do to New York? It didn't look like all that much. It didn't crash into any buildings and it seemed to fly away fairly quickly.
I wonder how the team intends to handle an omega level threat like Graviton? They gonna pull something from Justice League and call in Talbot's family?
I kinda had the opposite reaction, that this felt like May finally taking the leadership role she's been trying to duck for so long (and that Daisy is so horribly unsuited for at her age.)
This episode was great but it felt weird. Like, technically a lot of stuff happened (taking down the alien ship, freeing Coulson and May, Graviton killing people, etc.) but because of the low budget ("these hallways all look the same") it felt like not as much actually happened at all?
So, are people really still so confident the IW ending is going to play out here? It's not impossible, sure, there's still one more episode, but even ignoring the Chitauri caption snafu: this episode aired a week after IW's original US release date, so spoilers shouldn't have been an issue, and yet we still got nothing more than extremely vague allusions to the film.
There's still a chance, but I'm even more convinced than I was before this episode that the showrunners just didn't know enough about IW to do a meaningful tie-in.
I personally think the showrunners knew the bare minimum necessary to do a basic tie-in. Without seeing the next episode, they probably were told
"New York gets attacked by Thanos's children, the movie takes place roughly around 24 hours, and at the end half of the population dies and these are the effects we used."
Meaningful is relative, and considering that most of the cast didn't know what happened in the movie aside from their roles, I imagine they keep it tightlipped for the TV division as well.
Even then, I don't think it really matters considering Agents of SHIELD has its own story to deal with right now so I don't think it's worth it to keep bringing up and speculating whether the writers did or did not know enough about Infinity War because we still haven't seen the finale and the writers themselves haven't said anything yet.
I'd rather just talk about the show's story itself.
This episode was great but it felt weird. Like, technically a lot of stuff happened (taking down the alien ship, freeing Coulson and May, Graviton killing people, etc.) but because of the low budget ("these hallways all look the same") it felt like not as much actually happened at all?
That's funny, because I was thinking "oh they're finally spending their effects budget" during this episode.
Although I did find it odd that they sent a total of four agents to Talbot's family's home. Guess you could just explain that away as a manpower shortage in-universe.
This episode was great but it felt weird. Like, technically a lot of stuff happened (taking down the alien ship, freeing Coulson and May, Graviton killing people, etc.) but because of the low budget ("these hallways all look the same") it felt like not as much actually happened at all?
I got chills from that line. That was a good set up and pay off. Fuck.
I personally think the showrunners knew the bare minimum necessary to do a basic tie-in. Without seeing the next episode, they probably were told
"New York gets attacked by Thanos's children, the movie takes place roughly around 24 hours, and at the end half of the population dies and these are the effects we used."
Meaningful is relative, and considering that most of the cast didn't know what happened in the movie aside from their roles, I imagine they keep it tightlipped for the TV division as well.
Even then, I don't think it really matters considering Agents of SHIELD has its own story to deal with right now so I don't think it's worth it to keep bringing up and speculating whether the writers did or did not know enough about Infinity War because we still haven't seen the finale and the writers themselves haven't said anything yet.
I'd rather just talk about the show's story itself.
When it affects the show and the future of the show being in that universe, then yeah they have to tell them. I don't know why you're being so obtuse about this.
So, are people really still so confident the IW ending is going to play out here? It's not impossible, sure, there's still one more episode, but even ignoring the Chitauri caption snafu: this episode aired a week after IW's original US release date, so spoilers shouldn't have been an issue, and yet we still got nothing more than extremely vague allusions to the film.
There's still a chance, but I'm even more convinced than I was before this episode that the showrunners just didn't know enough about IW to do a meaningful tie-in.
So, are people really still so confident the IW ending is going to play out here? It's not impossible, sure, there's still one more episode, but even ignoring the Chitauri caption snafu: this episode aired a week after IW's original US release date, so spoilers shouldn't have been an issue, and yet we still got nothing more than extremely vague allusions to the film.
There's still a chance, but I'm even more convinced than I was before this episode that the showrunners just didn't know enough about IW to do a meaningful tie-in.
Honestly, I don't know what you're expecting the show to mention.
Infinity War happens over a couple days, realistically. We're likely right before the Wakanda battle in AoS time.
The only thing they could have directly mentioned is Tony Stark's name. That's really it. They can't show or even mention Spider-Man in the New York battle because of Sony and the idea is that the battle already happened (in an evacuated area, as Infinity War told us).
After the New York battle, the only other thing in the film that would be known to the public would be the results of the very end of the film and we're not there yet in AoS. The New York battle at the beginning of the film is the only thing that makes sense for the show to mention and they legally can't mention one of the three heroes involved.
Honestly, I don't know what you're expecting the show to mention.
Infinity War happens over a couple days, realistically. We're likely right before the Wakanda battle in AoS time.
The only thing they could have directly mentioned is Tony Stark's name. That's really it. They can't show or even mention Spider-Man in the New York battle because of Sony and the idea is that the battle already happened (in an evacuated area, as Infinity War told us).
After the New York battle, the only other thing in the film that would be known to the public would be the results of the very end of the film and we're not there yet in AoS. The New York battle at the beginning of the film is the only thing that makes sense for the show to mention and they legally can't mention one of the three heroes involved.
They could also mention the following but probably didn't because they weren't told about it.
Scotland. Yes it's smaller but it's still super heroes fucking shit up. Also, the show is making the NY thing a lot bigger than it was in the movie because they didn't actually know the scope of it.
Totally. I didn't buy it at first, but Adrian Pasdar's really fucking selling it at this point. Love the guy, even if the outfit does still look a bit weird at times. Graviton's finally an actual incredibly dangerous and high-level villain, I hope he's getting his good send-off when it's done.
With all the talk of full circle, season-wide callbacks, and so on, I honestly think killing off Coulson next episode is a real possibility. Close out with Daisy as the new leader for the team with a "the adventure continues" vibe - open for a new season but also a nice closer.
And you could segue that team into a new series for the Disney streaming service or whatever. Quake and the Secret Warriors.
The audio I heard was, "Destruction and cleanup continues after the (or another, can't remember) extra terrestrial invasion".
Also, just how much damage did that giant spinning donut do to New York? It didn't look like all that much. It didn't crash into any buildings and it seemed to fly away fairly quickly.
