Pokémon for Nintendo Switch Speculation Thread 2 | What Defines a New Thread?

ZhugeEX hinted at a Mini-Direct is happening atleast.

Pokémon wouldn't come at a Mini-Direct. He could've just been hinting at any kind of Direct in general.

Plus we always get some kind of direct in April and May since like the inception of Nintendo Directs.

Revolsin said:

Zhuge teased a direct incoming soon before E3, so likely that.

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Wait what? Where?

Zalman said:

I mean, why not? They get an extra event out of it. Pokémon is big enough for it.

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SilverX said:

Because for Pokemon it goes "announcement with logo, followed by footage at a later date" to build tons of hype for clicks when the footage drops

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I mean, I know that. But people won't think about it.

Cybersai said:

I can't believe a flooded 100 year in the future Kanto is going to be a thing.

It's like something out of a 12 year olds fanfiction from 1999.

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It won't, the leaked who claims it first said it was a new region based on Shri Lanka.

Idolvo said:

It won't, the leaked who claims it first said it was a new region based on Shri Lanka.

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Huh?

Aeroucn said:

Wait what? Where?

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https://www.resetera.com/posts/7673402/

Cybersai said:

SM is pretty easily going to end by November given the current pacing.

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It's really not.

Ash will have finished the third trial by the start of June. There's 20 episodes from then until mid November

There are still episodes for the following Ultra Beasts needing to be done. They're being done one per episode: Blacephalon (in June), Xurkitree, Pheromosa, Kartana, Guzzlord, Stakataka, Naganadel. That's 7 episodes of the 20 done right there

There's been the implied arc featuring Necrozma, as shown by the artwork showing Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma, and in Thursday's episode hinted at Ultra Necrozma. That's probably at least 3 episodes right there.

Now there's Mina and Poni Island Grand Trial to do. Based on the Akala and Ula'ula arcs, that'll be between 4 and 6 episodes. Plus a Tapu Fini episode

A league typically takes between 6 and 10 episodes to complete.

Ash & Kiawe, both interested in taking on the league, don't have a full team so there would need to be captures and some evolutions in episodes too. Same with Gladion.

Even if there are zero fillers, it's cutting it way too close. That's also leaving no room for the building Team Skull stuff.

There is no way in hell the Sun & Moon anime is ending this year

Serebii said:

It's really not.

Ash will have finished the third trial by the start of June. There's 20 episodes from then until mid November

There are still episodes for the following Ultra Beasts needing to be done. They're being done one per episode: Blacephalon (in June), Xurkitree, Pheromosa, Kartana, Guzzlord, Stakataka, Naganadel. That's 7 episodes of the 20 done right there

There's been the implied arc featuring Necrozma, as shown by the artwork showing Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma, and in Thursday's episode hinted at Ultra Necrozma. That's probably at least 3 episodes right there.

Now there's Mina and Poni Island Grand Trial to do. Based on the Akala and Ula'ula arcs, that'll be between 4 and 6 episodes. Plus a Tapu Fini episode

A league typically takes between 6 and 10 episodes to complete.

Ash & Kiawe, both interested in taking on the league, don't have a full team so there would need to be captures and some evolutions in episodes too. Same with Gladion.

Even if there are zero fillers, it's cutting it way too close. That's also leaving no room for the building Team Skull stuff.

There is no way in hell the Sun & Moon anime is ending this year

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And for the people who say that if it doesn't end by this year then it would not have enough content to keep it until next November,

remember that a Pokémon anime can be continued indefinitely,


also, a pokemon game can came out other than at the end of a year. It happened before. (granted the series since adapting global release date have been consistent )

Emily said:

The announcement isn't that far away.

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Vito said:

Huh?

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The leaker claiming the "submerged Kanto" game is the same leaker who first claimed it was a new region based on Shri Lanka.

People being played.

Serebii said:

It's really not.

Ash will have finished the third trial by the start of June. There's 20 episodes from then until mid November

There are still episodes for the following Ultra Beasts needing to be done. They're being done one per episode: Blacephalon (in June), Xurkitree, Pheromosa, Kartana, Guzzlord, Stakataka, Naganadel. That's 7 episodes of the 20 done right there

There's been the implied arc featuring Necrozma, as shown by the artwork showing Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma, and in Thursday's episode hinted at Ultra Necrozma. That's probably at least 3 episodes right there.

Now there's Mina and Poni Island Grand Trial to do. Based on the Akala and Ula'ula arcs, that'll be between 4 and 6 episodes. Plus a Tapu Fini episode

A league typically takes between 6 and 10 episodes to complete.

Ash & Kiawe, both interested in taking on the league, don't have a full team so there would need to be captures and some evolutions in episodes too. Same with Gladion.

Even if there are zero fillers, it's cutting it way too close. That's also leaving no room for the building Team Skull stuff.

There is no way in hell the Sun & Moon anime is ending this year

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I think the point was more "there's no way they have enough content for 2019 unless they bring out the filler". If it is even possible to consider the anime being finished by this year (however unlikely it may be) it seems that's the case, isn't it?

Btw, how close usually are the start of a new anime season and a new gen?

Emily said:

I just want to provide some clarification on what I said -- and what I didn't say.
What I didn't say: I didn't specify whether it was a core game, a spinoff series, a remake of an older game, or a Gen 8 game.

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So now we could ask ourselves what defines a core game. Assuming that the game will be released in two versions, is developed by GameFreak and at E£ they announced they were working on a core RPG Pokémon, I except it to be a traditional Pokémon game of the main series - a remake or a Gen 8 game. The only thing I could think about a "core spinoff" developed by GameFreak could be a game with a new gameplay, isolated from the others and in case not all previous Pokémon, but honestly I don't think it's the path they want to follow (or maybe I think so because I prefer that they keep connectivity with previous games). I would exclude normal spinoff series as Mistery Dungeon (I loved Explorers of Darkness, it is one of my favoure game of all time, but the next chapters didn't impress me at all) even though they were released in dual version in the past.

Then, about the reveal, at this point I agree that it should be this week or at E3. If they do it this week, they can just show a trailer and promise new info at E3 and it could be a perfect advertising for Nintendo Spotlight; if they do it directly at E3, they would catch all the media attention (at least in regard of Nintendo) and it would be good for Pokémon, but at the same time it could obscure games like Fire Emblem, which would immediately take second place.
If I were GameFreak, I would announce it this week. But at this point for us it doesn't matter, we are neat the moment in any case.

Idolvo said:

The leaker claiming the "submerged Kanto" game is the same leaker who first claimed it was a new region based on Shri Lanka.

People being played.

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Oh. That's a relief.

Vito said:

Oh. That's a relief.

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Yup.

Mind you, there are 2 leaks at the moment.

The submerged Kanto leak from the translator (who first made some wild claims, said it was gen 8 in a Shri Lanka based region)

The "new take on red & blue with graphics in between old 3ds and pokken" leak from the dude who also had the reveal date for Switch Online right.

Outside of the reveal date being right this leaker also claimed that there would be voice chat through a third party app (discord being the popular choice).
This has already been proven false, with Nintendo clearly communicating their phone app will still be used.

Not saying it can't be Kanto, but none of the leaks have been credible so far.

fareastern said:

And for the people who say that if it doesn't end by this year then it would not have enough content to keep it until next November,

remember that a Pokémon anime can be continued indefinitely,


also, a pokemon game can came out other than at the end of a year. It happened before. (granted the series since adapting global release date have been consistent )

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Farrac said:

I think the point was more "there's no way they have enough content for 2019 unless they bring out the filler". If it is even possible to consider the anime being finished by this year (however unlikely it may be) it seems that's the case, isn't it?

Btw, how close usually are the start of a new anime season and a new gen?

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4 out of the 6 generations had filler

Gen 1: Orange Islands
Gen 3: Battle Frontier
Gen 4: Inexplicable 1 year gap between Snowpoint and Sunyshore
Gen 5: Episode N and Decolore Island

There's lots in the well that I can think of that they can use. Rainbow Rocket for example. A Team Skull arc too.

Don't forget that this series is also more slice of life than adventure so it's by nature filled with filler.

Idolvo said:

Yup.

Mind you, there are 2 leaks at the moment.

The submerged Kanto leak from the translator (who first made some wild claims, said it was gen 8 in a Shri Lanka based region)

The "new take on red & blue with graphics in between old 3ds and pokken" leak from the dude who also had the reveal date for Switch Online right.

Outside of the reveal date being right this leaker also claimed that there would be voice chat through a third party app (discord being the popular choice).
This has already been proven false, with Nintendo clearly communicating their phone app will still be used.

Not saying it can't be Kanto, but none of the leaks have been credible so far.

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Neither of those are leaks

Leak - A confirmed bit of information that was released early.
Rumour - Something with questionable authenticity.
Fake - Something not true.

Idolvo said:

Yup.

Mind you, there are 2 leaks at the moment.

The submerged Kanto leak from the translator (who first made some wild claims, said it was gen 8 in a Shri Lanka based region)

The "new take on red & blue with graphics in between old 3ds and pokken" leak from the dude who also had the reveal date for Switch Online right.

Outside of the reveal date being right this leaker also claimed that there would be voice chat through a third party app (discord being the popular choice).
This has already been proven false, with Nintendo clearly communicating their phone app will still be used.

Not saying it can't be Kanto, but none of the leaks have been credible so far.

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Didn't the Switch Online "leaker" admit that the Online date was a guess and the rest is just made up?

Not kept up with these threads at all so this has already probably been mentioned.
But i'd be totally fine with a short-term fix for Pokemon on the Switch (HD remake of this or that) announced along side an announcement that they are working on a re-imaginging of the series. I'm not saying they should completely start over, that would be daft, but shake the formula up a bit.

I didn't want to say this, but it's the only thing I can think of to liken what I mean; a re-thinking of the game akin to BoTW. Now I don't mean just stick Pokemon in an open world game (even though it would be kinda cool) but just for them to take some time to really review the current games, the potential of the Switch and take a few years if need be to make an incredible game.

pld said:

Didn't the Switch Online "leaker" admit that the Online date was a guess and the rest is just made up?

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Yes, he did. It's fake.

pld said:

Didn't the Switch Online "leaker" admit that the Online date was a guess and the rest is just made up?

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O lol, missed that part.
Thanks for correcting me!

Photos from the fan meeting they are having today in Japan. This is why I suggested this week was unlikely for the reveal.

Atheerios said:

Photo from the fan meeting they are having today in Japan. This is why I suggested this week was unlikely for the reveal.




An older one:

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I still fail to see why the Fan Meeting would be in any way relevant to whether or not a reveal. It's specious reasoning.

Serebii said:

Even if there are zero fillers, it's cutting it way too close. That's also leaving no room for the building Team Skull stuff.

There is no way in hell the Sun & Moon anime is ending this year

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Remember how they covered 7 Frontier Brain battles including two rematches against Anabel and Brandon, 7 Contests for May and a Grand Festival, Phanpy/Grovyle evolving and Ash bringing back old pokemon, May getting two new pokemon, Brock getting new pokemon, Pokemon Ranger advertising eps, and then some filler in the span of 1 year from 2005-2006 in time for DP to begin?

Yep, they can rush things in under a year if they have to.

Serebii said:

I still fail to see why the Fan Meeting would be in any way relevant to whether or not a reveal. It's specious reasoning.

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Because it would be counterproductive to reveal a big new game just before a meet-up for their old and soon to be deprecated game.

Masuda and co want people to be excited about USUM and the meet-up, not to be thinking about the next game and receiving lots of questions about it.

Cybersai said:

Remember how they covered 7 Frontier Brain battles including two rematches against Anabel and Brandon, 7 Contests for May and a Grand Festival, Phanpy/Grovyle evolving and Ash bringing back old pokemon, May getting two new pokemon, Brock getting new pokemon, Pokemon Ranger advertising eps, and then some filler in the span of 1 year from 2005-2006 in time for DP to begin?

Yep, they can rush things in under a year if they have to.

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There's a difference between "under a year" and 20 episodes. Check my post where I lay out the details.

Serebii said:

There's a difference between "under a year" and 20 episodes. Check my post where I lay out the details.

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A year is approximately 50 episodes.

Neonep said:

A year is approximately 50 episodes.

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There's 20 episodes between now and November... That's the point I'm making.

meloa said:

Is that why FRLG did so badly?

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More like why FRLG didnt do much better than any other third version/remake

Serebii said:

There's 20 episodes between now and November... That's the point I'm making.

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I'm not sure what kinda point you're trying to make. The anime not lining up perfectly won't prevent the release of the main product: the games. It doesn't matter if it has or hasn't happened before that the anime is "off sync" with the new releases. It will just catch up as soon as possible and they'll adjust accordingly. I don't think you can determine game releases off of anime schedules.

Serebii said:

There's 20 episodes between now and November... That's the point I'm making.

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Interesting. That's about 4 and a half months of episodes. Are there more episodes after that 20?

TDLink said:

I'm not sure what kinda point you're trying to make. The anime not lining up perfectly won't prevent the release of the main product: the games. It doesn't matter if it has or hasn't happened before that the anime is "off sync" with the new releases. It will just catch up as soon as possible and they'll adjust accordingly. I don't think you can determine game releases off of anime schedules.

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Actually you can to a degree. The launch of new mainline games coincides with a new anime along with new mechandise. They all tie together.

Neonep said:

Actually you can to a degree. The launch of new mainline games coincides with a new anime along with new mechandise. They all tie together.

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Yes, that is typically the case. Because it's all synergized marketing. But if Game Freak have a mandate to get the game out by November (and they probably do), and the anime needs an extra 4 - 8 weeks to catch up to what the game will be covering, then I am sure they are going to just allow it to do that. They will have the other cross-marketing opportunities at launch (ie, the merchandise). America already gets the "new gen" of anime months after the games launch. It's not going to be a travesty if for once it happens in Japan too.

Neonep said:

Interesting. That's about 4 and a half months of episodes. Are there more episodes after that 20?

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Of course there are because we're not moving to Gen 8 this year :)

TDLink said:

I'm not sure what kinda point you're trying to make. The anime not lining up perfectly won't prevent the release of the main product: the games. It doesn't matter if it has or hasn't happened before that the anime is "off sync" with the new releases. It will just catch up as soon as possible and they'll adjust accordingly. I don't think you can determine game releases off of anime schedules.

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You certainly can when it comes to new generations

Re: Emily's post
I'm not sure I understand how a pair of RPG games released this year could NOT fall under the "core game" umbrella?

Even if it's a remake and not Gen 8, how could this not be a core game? Until now I thought all non spin-offs were core games...

Atheerios said:

Photos from the fan meeting they are having today in Japan. This is why I suggested this week was unlikely for the reveal.

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For the record, I totally agree that it woulf not make sense to promote the old game two days after revealing the new ones....
But people here are stubbooooorn, be strong!

Serebii said:

Of course there are because we're not moving to Gen 8 this year :)

You certainly can when it comes to new generations

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What defines a new generation?

Wijuci said:

Re: Emily's post
I'm not sure I understand how a pair of RPG games released this year could NOT fall under the "core game" umbrella?

Even if it's a remake and not Gen 8, how could this not be a core game? Until now I thought all non spin-offs were core games...



For the record, I totally agree that it woulf not make sense to promote the old game two days after revealing the new ones....
But people here are stubbooooorn, be strong!

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Pokémon Mystery Dungeon comes in pairs of two, aswell.

Wijuci said:

Re: Emily's post
I'm not sure I understand how a pair of RPG games released this year could NOT fall under the "core game" umbrella?

Even if it's a remake and not Gen 8, how could this not be a core game? Until now I thought all non spin-offs were core games...



For the record, I totally agree that it woulf not make sense to promote the old game two days after revealing the new ones....
But people here are stubbooooorn, be strong!

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Pokemon Red and Blue...Pinball 2?

soares said:

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon comes in pairs of two, aswell.

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They haven't the last two times.

yuoke said:

What defines a new generation?

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New region, scores of new Pokémon, new narrative

Did we ever get more than one new region during a generation?

I want to see if in this months CoroCoro they tease a "big scoop" for next month's issue. That should give us a hint of qhen it's coming.

I think that at least it will her revealed in a Pokémon Direct a week before E3, put it also on Corocoro, and show a proper trailer at E3.

People still believing all rumours xD

Galava said:

I want to see if in this months CoroCoro they tease a "big scoop" for next month's issue. That should give us a hint of qhen it's coming.

I think that at least it will her revealed in a Pokémon Direct a week before E3, put it also on Corocoro, and show a proper trailer at E3.

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Didn't they tease a big scoop that ended up being hurricane lugia?

zoukka said:

People still believing all rumours xD

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The thirst is real.
And there's always tomorrow (TM)!

Caayn said:

Did we ever get more than one new region during a generation?

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No

Wow, so many replies in this thread. Did I miss something ?

Pokemon is one of my favourite franchises but I'm not sure we'll see the game at E3...

Saving Gen 8 for 2019 or 2020 is my best case scenario. I feel there's a lot Game Freak can do to evolve the formula without having to rely on new Pokemon and a new region to make it feel fresh and exciting.

Emily said:

The announcement isn't that far away.

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Well that's nice to hear at least. As Serebii said an E3 reveal looks like the absolute latest time it could happen- so a month's wait at worst.

Looking forward to it.

AzorAhai said:

Wow, so many replies in this thread. Did I miss something ?

Pokemon is one of my favourite franchises but I'm not sure we'll see the game at E3...

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We're getting a Pokemon RPG with two versions on switch this year. We don't know what form it'll take yet.

Serebii said:

Of course there are because we're not moving to Gen 8 this year :)

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This makes it sound like you are sure of it, which implies you heard something. Otherwise you'd at least leave open the possibility to avoid looking dumb if Gen 8 happened.

Wait, not gen 8 ?

Not cool. Diamond/Pearl remake maybe ?
I'm disappointed.