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Does Agents of Shield deserve a Season Seven

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 34.0%
  • Most Definitely

    Votes: 16 15.5%
  • Wait, what happen to Six?

    Votes: 13 12.6%
  • Only if they include The Daughters of the Dragon

    Votes: 12 11.7%
  • Thor 2: The Ghost Rider

    Votes: 27 26.2%

  • Total voters
    103

BKatastrophe

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I know that technically all those threads have paid off and had been tied up, I just felt that thematically they could have mattered more. Maybe I'm alone in thinking that, but, at the very least, I always felt that the Inhumans, the Kree, and Hydra have been such important parts of the show from the beginning, that I hoped there would be more explicit links between all 3, especially since I think that with Daisy specifically and her quest since the very beginning to find her identity, purpose, and where she belongs, I thought it makes sense if it all leads to those 3 with some not so great answers for her. Kree are almost like analogue for gods/creators, Inhumans are their creations, and Hydra is a perversion of everything, whether it be humanity or natural laws in their quest for supernatural/cosmic power. I just was expecting it to come together in a more meaningful way.
I don't know how much more meaningful it can be. I mean, this is literally the last of Hydra being scooped up here, Kasius is the only Kree that cares about Earth, and Daisy has been regarded as one of the most powerful Inhumans since S2.

I get what you want, but there isn't really a way to do anything with that. There isn't a more meaningful way to tie it together, especially given how high concept this season went compared to the previous ones up and until this point.
 

ZeoVGM

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3 weeks is generous, wasn't TWS involved in the story about a week after release?

Yep. People had a week to see Winter Soldier because of how it directly impacted the show.

The way IW works, it's easier for them to push it off for a couple weeks but at this point, you just have to go see the movie if you care about spoilers.

And remember, they pushed up IW by a week in North America so there would have actually been less time to see it before the finale originally.
 

ManaByte

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Kind of. They pushed it up in North America so that it matched the international release, which was already a week earlier. Marvel often releases internationally first but wanted to avoid the ending getting out there too early. (There were already screen caps of the ending after the rec carpet premiere, which is crazy.)

Those didn't come from the red carpet premiere. There were screenings in New York at 7pm that day, which means they were out BEFORE the premiere in LA really started. The screen cap came out from that theater. I know because I sent it to someone who was there to confirm if it was real and he asked if I had a mole in their showing.
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ZeoVGM

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Those didn't come from the red carpet premiere. There were screenings in New York at 7pm that day, which means they were out BEFORE the premiere in LA really started. The screen cap came out from that theater. I know because I sent it to someone who was there to confirm if it was real and he asked if I had a mole in their showing.
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Yeah, I worded that badly. I meant the night of the red carpet premiere, not that it came out of there directly. Was still crazy how quickly spoilers hit the internet though. I was thankfully able to avoid all of them.

(Unlike Age of Ultron, where some jackass decided to comment with "QUICKSILVER DIES" on a random Instagram post I happened to be looking at.)
 

ZeoVGM

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Its seperate in the sense that you wouldnt go spoil Luke Cage in a thread about Daredevil. Tag your damn spoilers properly.

I mean, you would.

A conversation in a Luke Cage thread could naturally move to a previous Netflix Marvel season. As it's in the same universe, people might discuss what other characters in the universe from previous seasons are doing.

No one would be using spoiler tags for Daredevil S2 in a thread about Luke Cage S1. One takes place after the other. That's silly.

If someone didn't watch Daredevil S2 by then, it's on them to watch it by the time the next Netflix series comes out if they truly care.

This thread has largely been very good about IW spoilers. But again, IW's third weekend ends today and the events of that movie are happening as the current episodes of AoS are happening. If you care about IW spoilers that much, you need to see the movie and/or stay out of the AoS thread. Shit happens, people slip up and forget to use spoiler tags. Especially three weeks after the movie releases.

At a certain point, it is on the person who doesn't want to be spoiled. Not others. Especially in an AoS thread.
 

Moara

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AoS is most likely going to spoil the shit out of IW for you next week anyways
 

ManaByte

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At a certain point, it is on the person who doesn't want to be spoiled. Not others. Especially in an AoS thread.

I had someone tell me the other day until you can illegally download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality version of a movie, spoilers shouldn't allowed on the internet because some people don't have money to see movies.
 

Fuzzy

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I had someone tell me the other day until you can illegally download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality version of a movie, spoilers shouldn't allowed on the internet because some people don't have money to see movies.
I think if you're going to post open spoilers you should pay for everyone to go see the movie first. /s
 

ZeoVGM

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I had someone tell me the other day until you can illegally download a 1080p Blu-Ray quality version of a movie, spoilers shouldn't allowed on the internet because some people don't have money to see movies.

My general thought process is that spoilers can't be discussed until the film is re-released in the theater.

This only applies to like 1% of films ever so it's a very specific and narrow time frame.
 

Volimar

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AoS is most likely going to spoil the shit out of IW for you next week anyways


From what I gather from being spoiled by this thread and reading Infinity Gauntlet ages ago:

Thanos snaps his fingers and half the universe's population turns to dust, several heroes included probably.

So if that happens in the show, I'm ready for it. I just want to limit my exposure until I actually get the chance to see it. A losing battle, but one I'm giving a shot anyway.
 
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Personally, I have not seen IW yet, and probably won't until someone watches my kids or it comes out on blue ray. That said, I know I can't avoid spoilers so I have a general idea of how the movie ends but don't know details.

So I enjoy seeing speculation on the show, but it is nice to know if the spoilers are just about IW or the show, or some combination. My learning about how IW ends will expand as AoS ends and I read more, but it is still courteous to mark down what is being discussed.
 

luca

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S05E18: All Roads Lead...
I'm really not feeling this arc with General Hale, Ruby, Gravitonium, Talbot etc. This is a lot worse than Season 4 and 2. I do like the casting of Alex von Strucker, young Sitwell and that episode with the Hydra school. But I just wanna get back to figuring out the timeline.

Gotta power through the last 4 episodes I'm behind with.

This episode, damn I love that Quake geared up in her S4 suit with gauntlets and all and got to kick some ass again! And Ruby in that chamber totally reminds me of Captain America back in the 40s. Love it.

Holy shit she just crushed his skull. Killing Alex! Oh damn Ruby is unstable with this Gravitonium stuff. This shit is dangerous.

Yoyo the MVP! So tired of this Ruby kid.

S05E19: Option Two
I really hate what everything's come down to in this episode, and those alien creatures are so lackluster. What was Mack even thinking with them eskrima sticks. But oh wow at Talbot consuming the Gravitonium at 100% and killing everybody like that. And wow at that cliffhanger with Quake digging up Jingang, that's insane.
 
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So sorry to anyone who got spoilt by all of our conversations. Happily the movie is much more than the spoileable parts.

Anyway, I wonder how will the bad guy be stopped? Next ep directed by Jed Whedon has to be cool to see at least, I expect great action moments
 

Volimar

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So sorry to anyone who got spoilt by all of our conversations. Happily the movie is much more than the spoileable parts.

Anyway, I wonder how will the bad guy be stopped? Next ep directed by Jed Whedon has to be cool to see at least, I expect great action moments


Of course an episode that might end in fan favorite deaths is directed by a Whedon.
 

Lotus

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Here is your reminder that Whedon was responsible for Self-Control, the best episode in the series. :3
 

Volimar

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Legend has it that Deke came across them...

I dunno, didn't they get blown up?


I thought they were missing at the end of the episode and haven't been seen since. Like someone went to where they were and they were all gone. Am I imagining that?


I wonder if Hale's army was supposed to be Daisy LMDs but they ran out of budget so they had to make the faceless LMDs of varying sizes


Edit: Oh wait were those the LMDs that robo-May blew up with the base?
 

KtotheRoc

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I wouldn't even know how the show handles what happens in IW if it comes back next season.
 

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Yeah, like with LMDs, and so sorry but Infinity War spoilers:
What if Season 6 has LMDs replacing key people who got snapped (Like goverment)? Could be a nice plot.
Anything can be a nice plot. Season 6 please :c
 

Lotus

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Yeah, like with LMDs, and so sorry but Infinity War spoilers:
What if Season 6 has LMDs replacing key people who got snapped (Like goverment)? Could be a nice plot.
Anything can be a nice plot. Season 6 please :c

Didn't say they say this season that they don't have the tech/resources to create proper LMDs anymore
 

Entryhazard

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Didn't say they say this season that they don't have the tech/resources to create proper LMDs anymore
Hydra didn't have the technical knowledge to make lifelike LMDs because the people who have it and might have been willing to do so like Radcliffe are dead, but theoretically Fitz has the knowledge as he was in on the project too as pointed out by the Russian and Hale, simply he wasn't ever willing to do it for Hydra
 

Cuburger

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I don't know how much more meaningful it can be. I mean, this is literally the last of Hydra being scooped up here, Kasius is the only Kree that cares about Earth, and Daisy has been regarded as one of the most powerful Inhumans since S2.

I get what you want, but there isn't really a way to do anything with that. There isn't a more meaningful way to tie it together, especially given how high concept this season went compared to the previous ones up and until this point.
I think that they could have written this season different, for starters. We've barely even seen the Kree previously in the show to they could basically say whatever they want for how many of them care about Earth. I know we have Captain Marvel already in the pipeline (that maybe they'd be able to consult with the writers for a better clue for how to not step on their toes) and maybe they also wanted to leave more Kree/Inhumans background open for the Inhumans show to explore (which they ultimately didn't even seem to care about whether they would have been renewed or not), but the Kree were already on Earth a long time ago, and while we could have been given a backstory from the actual Kree on what that Kree was doing there, they could have also fleshed out why Earth matters to at least a faction of the Kree and why the Inhuman matter. We know the general idea, but to hear some Kree basically spell it out for why it mattered then and why it still matters now as some type of long con would have been great. Also, Hydra was in possession of the Kree body before SHIELD got a hold of it so they were aware of the Kree way back then (as well as the Inhumans before that) and then they became part of SHIELD ultimately getting a hold of the Kree body again. It seems to me that them trying to contact the Kree would have been something that Hydra would have tried to do before Hale came up with the idea in the middle of Hydra class, or at the very least been an obsession of at least a few in Hydra that had subscribed to the old way of cosmic powers being what leads them to more power, and in this case, the Inhuman experimentation to be a next step in human experimentation to create super soldiers.

Hydra is also an entity that they always believe they defeat but then heads just seemingly pop out of nowhere, so it makes more sense that Hale isn't just the last of the few surviving member of Hydra, but leading a much stronger Hydra than they realized still existed but coalescing around Hale's embracing of looking to space/Kree/Inhumans as the next and final step of evolution for Hydra, but this time, they finally contact the Kree (who happen to have their own plans for Earth) to help scratch each other's backs. Just make it so it's essentially Hydra's last hurrah of members who really believe in this crazy space stuff (and are willing to possibly sell out the human race to get that power), with the last of the Kree that believe that the Inhuman experiment is something that can still yield great results that they can still use to their own ends, just that they believe Hydra to be the ones to help them subjugate the humans to bend them to their will since they understand the humans better than the Kree would.

That way, the Kree, the Inhumans, and Hydra all come full circle into a storyline that ties together themes of the entire show. And to make it all resonate all the more, it can tie into Daisy's whole journey of identity, which has been the main arc of the show, into her desire to find answers for where she belongs. She can think that confronting the Kree trying to create the Inhumans will give he answers for why she is an Inhuman or why they are willing to abandon their creations on Earth to be lost children, dividing them from the rest of humanity. She already got answers about who her parents were and who her real family is now, and the answers about who her mom and the Inhumans she wanted to be accepted by weren't exactly answers she wanted to hear. She's moved on, but she has also face the discrimination of the Inhumans as the population grew and being the most visible face of the Inhumans and what that meant to be as an Inhuman leader of sorts. At the very least, it could have lead to her wanting answers when finally getting to talk to some Kree and having a desire to possibly put an end to not just Kree experimentation but Hydra and their involvement in being a self-made corruption of humanity. Just to have a reveal that Hydra had been working with the Kree to create the next step in evolution, that possibly even is willing to sacrifice the subject's own chance at humanity for a more powerful soldier would make it like Daisy's destiny to become linked up with SHIELD to be able to take down Hydra and stop the Kree from ruining more lives in ways that would cause them greater struggles than her own. It could then end with Hydra being wiped out and the Kree extremists being wiped out but being able to strike a deal with remaining Kree that they leave the humans alone from future experimentation and that existing Inhumans get to live their lives out the best way they can and no one will be trying to turn humans into their super soldiers.

TL;DR Of course, this is all just my own fanfic, I've quickly pulled out of my ass and I'm sure it could be done better by the actual writers, but all I was asking for were more thematic resolutions to threads that I feel were there from the very first season. The time loops story in interesting for a complex puzzle for the protagonists and it allowed them to do interesting things this season, and the IW tie-in seems like a premise that is too good to not try to tie-in with, but I thought there was a great opportunity to really wrap up this whole series in a really satisfying way for me, and I didn't get that, even with all the pieces in play that could have done everything I thought it was going to.
 

Cuburger

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I wouldn't even know how the show handles what happens in IW if it comes back next season.
My theory is that
half of everyone is snapped but they break the time loop which saves the world and prevents that timeline from coming true, but it also spits them out back in the diner they were at at the end of last season before the loops, like it loops one last time but this time they know the damage has been undone. That way the world is safe, they get to have their happy ending for the series and possibly the show, but then their also is the bittersweet moment that these are the last moments the characters will get to spend with each other, so they'll cherish it.

If the show is renewed, they will spend the time figuring out what they can do to help prevent it or save their friends/the universe or if it isn't, presumably the Avengers find a way to make things right next year and the end of the series isn't a downer afterall.
 

MOTHGOD

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I'm still under the impression that SHIELD never came back to their original timeline. Every few episodes the show makes a point to mention multiple universes or realities. We may just see the beginning of where the MCU will start messing with reality and not just time. And the end of the season will tie up nicely for our heroes in a way that can end the show or continue on if it is renewed.
 

Keyser S

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I'm still under the impression that SHIELD never came back to their original timeline. Every few episodes the show makes a point to mention multiple universes or realities. We may just see the beginning of where the MCU will start messing with reality and not just time. And the end of the season will tie up nicely for our heroes in a way that can end the show or continue on if it is renewed.

I have always said Ultimate Agents of Shield has a nice ring to it. It would reboot the show, but it would not throw away the past (like many others show sdo). They have already teased a lot ot "Earth-616" in the show, so it would be nice if they made that more than a easter egg.
 

BKatastrophe

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Yeah, like with LMDs, and so sorry but Infinity War spoilers:
What if Season 6 has LMDs replacing key people who got snapped (Like goverment)? Could be a nice plot.
Anything can be a nice plot. Season 6 please :c
That does sound cool, but...
Didn't say they say this season that they don't have the tech/resources to create proper LMDs anymore
...this, however we also have...
Hydra didn't have the technical knowledge to make lifelike LMDs because the people who have it and might have been willing to do so like Radcliffe are dead, but theoretically Fitz has the knowledge as he was in on the project too as pointed out by the Russian and Hale, simply he wasn't ever willing to do it for Hydra
...which, keep in mind, there is a second Fitz in space.
 

Wololo

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I see 3 probabilities.

We get cancelled
We get a full 22/23 episode season 6
We get a shortened final season 6 with 13 episodes.
 

Mariolee

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Would not even be mad at a shortened season. Would allow them to focus their budget and keep a tight story like last year's pods.
 

Jason Frost

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Would allow them to focus their budget and keep a tight story like last year's pods.
Many TV shows don't work like that because the budget is not a big amount of money divided by the number of episodes, but the number of episode multiplied by many small amount of money of the same.

Like even if the show is 22 or 13 episodes, it will still be 22 x amount of money or 13 x same amount of money.
 

Volimar

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Start having them be a summer series cleaning up the after math of every MCU summer blockbuster :p
 

ZeoVGM

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Disney clearly sees value in the show, so I'm going to share my hope for the series.

They come to a deal with ABC, where they will carry the series for season 6. And then Disney will take it over to the streaming service.

#Dreams
 

entrydenied

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Many TV shows don't work like that because the budget is not a big amount of money divided by the number of episodes, but the number of episode multiplied by many small amount of money of the same.

Like even if the show is 22 or 13 episodes, it will still be 22 x amount of money or 13 x same amount of money.

Yeah... For example this season might have been 200 k per episode i.e 4.4 mil for example.

A shortened 13 episode season at reduced budget might be 150k per episode i.e. 1.95 mil for the whole season.

It won't be 4.4 mil divided by 13 episodes.
 

Mariolee

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Many TV shows don't work like that because the budget is not a big amount of money divided by the number of episodes, but the number of episode multiplied by many small amount of money of the same.

Like even if the show is 22 or 13 episodes, it will still be 22 x amount of money or 13 x same amount of money.

I understand that, but the way I was thinking is that even with the reduced budget they'll be able to have foresight as to which episodes will need more of the budget than others since the whole season will be more solidly planned out than a 22 episode one. But perhaps that thought process is misguided.