Bloodborne |OT| Grant them eyes

Red Liquorice · May 7, 2018

Well done turbocats :)

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I'll edit this post rather than double posting:

I just got a double KO on Moon Presence (incidently in NG+), I killed it but got hit by some blood rain kind of attack just after dealing the final blow (never seen this before since I usually take it down so fast tbh) and it was OHK because it was just after the HP drain/block vial use attack.
Any way I'm back at the Hunter's Dream wake-up point and realise I'm probably going to trigger the cutscene and the move to NG+2 the second I walk in to the boss area and before I can get to my bloodstain, which in effect means I have to get through the whole of NG+2 before I can get to my bloodstain!

I suppose I could try for a no death run, it would be a neat reward to get back my souls, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of luck!

Noema · May 7, 2018

It is a tragedy that this game only got one DLC while DS2 got 3. The Old Hunters is sublime.

Deleted member 864 · May 8, 2018

turbocats said:
Just wanted to say thanks for all of the suggestions. I worked up some extra courage and fought SUPER aggressively during the Shadow of Yharnam fight, and I was able to take them down. Once I did that, I spent some time grinding, made it through a couple of the Chalices, which are pretty easy on NG+ until you get to the Lower Pthumeru Chalice, and I've now gotten all the way up to Ebrietas. Definitely loving it.

Being aggressive helps with some fights, Shadows being one in my experience and then a few of the DLC bosses as well.

Deleted member 8861 · May 8, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
Well done turbocats :)

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I'll edit this post rather than double posting:

I just got a double KO on Moon Presence (incidently in NG+), I killed it but got hit by some blood rain kind of attack just after dealing the final blow (never seen this before since I usually take it down so fast tbh) and it was OHK because it was just after the HP drain/block vial use attack.
Any way I'm back at the Hunter's Dream wake-up point and realise I'm probably going to trigger the cutscene and the move to NG+2 the second I walk in to the boss area and before I can get to my bloodstain, which in effect means I have to get through the whole of NG+2 before I can get to my bloodstain!

I suppose I could try for a no death run, it would be a neat reward to get back my souls, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of luck!

You can walk a bit into the arena before the cutscene triggers.

(I know because I got a double KO against Gehrman).

Might be worth a try, you might be able to nab your souls.

Red Liquorice · May 8, 2018

Funyarinpa said:
You can walk a bit into the arena before the cutscene triggers.

(I know because I got a double KO against Gehrman).

Might be worth a try, you might be able to nab your souls.

Yeah, I didn't really say that in my post but I did do that after - between the flowers masking it and the distance I think my bloodstain was just too far away before the cutscene triggers, you have a couple of seconds though.

And then I died to TOR! :( lmao, it's so typical I made it through SoY, Rom and it was part bad positioning, part greed and part extra damage from a full beast meter that ended in a rather poetic double KO from TOR's puke from the sky. Bye-bye 1.5m souls in the boss arena, it would've been cool to snag those at the end!

Deleted member 8861 · May 8, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
Yeah, I didn't really say that in my post but I did do that after - between the flowers masking it and the distance I think my bloodstain was just too far away before the cutscene triggers, you have a couple of seconds though.

And then I died to TOR! :( lmao, it's so typical I made it through SoY, Rom and it was part bad positioning, part greed and part extra damage from a full beast meter that ended in a rather poetic double KO from TOR's puke from the sky. Bye-bye 1.5m souls in the boss arena, it would've been cool to snag those at the end!

Ouch. RIP

Noema · May 8, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
Yeah, I didn't really say that in my post but I did do that after - between the flowers masking it and the distance I think my bloodstain was just too far away before the cutscene triggers, you have a couple of seconds though.

And then I died to TOR! :( lmao, it's so typical I made it through SoY, Rom and it was part bad positioning, part greed and part extra damage from a full beast meter that ended in a rather poetic double KO from TOR's puke from the sky. Bye-bye 1.5m souls in the boss arena, it would've been cool to snag those at the end!

Damn. It's always the one you least expect.

Goddamn Defiled Watchdog keeps wrecking me. I'm slowly inching forward but I think at this point it has easily killed me more times than any other boss.

wallmeat · May 9, 2018

I finished my second run through today by doing nearly the bare minimum. I ran through most areas just to get to the bosses and clear them out ASAP and move right on forward. One more run, and one more ending to attain and I'll have the platinum. I love this game, but I'm ready to take a little break and work on something else for a bit before I jump back in and try some completely different builds.

Malcolm9 · May 10, 2018

wallmeat said:
I finished my second run through today by doing nearly the bare minimum. I ran through most areas just to get to the bosses and clear them out ASAP and move right on forward. One more run, and one more ending to attain and I'll have the platinum. I love this game, but I'm ready to take a little break and work on something else for a bit before I jump back in and try some completely different builds.

What endings gave you done? Have you tried the save trick so you don't have to go through the whole game again?

wallmeat · May 10, 2018

Malcolm9 said:
What endings gave you done? Have you tried the save trick so you don't have to go through the whole game again?

I've done the Honoring Wishes and Childhood's Beginning endings, so all I've got left is Yharnam Sunrise.

What is this save trick? I'm not too worried about running through again, it doesn't take that long to run through the required content. I'm kind of amazed at how much of the game's content is actually optional, but I'm happy to have done it all the first time through.

Red Liquorice · May 10, 2018

USB/cloud save trick is go through the whole game up to but excluding the fight with Gerhman and do NOT consume any of the Umbilical Cords, back-up your save and then do all 3 endings, restoring your save each time.

1. Say yes to Gerham
2. Say no to/attack and fight Gerhman
3. Consume 3 Umbilical Cords, fight Gerhman & Moon Presence.

Noema · May 10, 2018

I get the feeling that the Defiled Pthumeru Chalice will be my biggest roadblock to my getting the Platinum.

Got the Watchdog down to about 15% last night, though I wasn't able to replicate it later.

Jaded Photographer · May 10, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
USB/cloud save trick is go through the whole game up to but excluding the fight with Gerhman and do NOT consume any of the Umbilical Cords, back-up your save and then do all 3 endings, restoring your save each time.

1. Say yes to Gerham
2. Say no to/attack and fight Gerhman
3. Consume 3 Umbilical Cords, fight Gerhman & Moon Presence.

I honestly just found it more fun to just beat the game three times. I did two NG's and a NG+

MonthOLDpickle · May 10, 2018

JadedWriter said:
I honestly just found it more fun to just beat the game three times. I did two NG's and a NG+

Everybody is different. Just because I love the game doesn't mean I want to do it over three times in a short period. Mainly because I don't have the time with how many games I do play.

That is me though. Also its nice to just get it out of the way all at once.

Then I can go dick around in NG+ and up.

wallmeat · May 10, 2018

Noema said:
I get the feeling that the Defiled Pthumeru Chalice will be my biggest roadblock to my getting the Platinum.

Got the Watchdog down to about 15% last night, though I wasn't able to replicate it later.

Defiled Chalice was by far the hardest part of my journey for the platinum. Everything else feels like cake after that.

Jaded Photographer · May 10, 2018

MonthOLDpickle said:
Everybody is different. Just because I love the game doesn't mean I want to do it over three times in a short period. Mainly because I don't have the time with how many games I do play.

That is me though. Also its nice to just get it out of the way all at once.

Then I can go dick around in NG+ and up.

I'm not judging. I just put a shit ton of time into Bloodborne. I have like five different builds on that game with them either in NG or NG+...one is in NG++ I probably have over 300 hours in the game.

Red Liquorice · May 10, 2018

JadedWriter said:
I honestly just found it more fun to just beat the game three times. I did two NG's and a NG+

Sure, but the question was asked. I'm currently on a playthrough at the moment and on NG+3, so I agree.

Jaded Photographer · May 10, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
Sure, but the question was asked. I'm currently on a playthrough at the moment and on NG+3, so I agree.

Lol. I don't want to imagine the DLC on NG+3 I have to finish it one day on NG+2. I understand answering the question though.

Red Liquorice · May 10, 2018

JadedWriter said:
Lol. I don't want to imagine the DLC on NG+3 I have to finish it one day on NG+2. I understand answering the question though.

I did the whole of the DLC on NG+, but chickened out of OoK and Laurence on NG+2, I just didn't need the stress, so grabbed my blood rock from the fishing hamlet and ran merrily to NG+3!

Jaded Photographer · May 10, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
I did the whole of the DLC on NG+, but chickened out of OoK and Laurence on NG+2, I just didn't need the stress, so grabbed my blood rock from the fishing hamlet and ran merrily to NG+3!

I'm not looking forward to attempting NG+2 OOK...he's like NG+ on fucking NG.

Noema · May 10, 2018

I'll have to do at least one more run to get the Platinum, since I unknowingly triggered the point of no return after

speaking to Gehrman, fighting him and dying

I think I'll use the save backup trick to get the trophies for the endings I can get and then I'll rush through NG+ to get the other one.

stupei · May 10, 2018

Do people who want to grab the blades of mercy without seeing the quest line to the end prefer to go for it right at the beginning or after chapel? Started a bloodtinge/skill character last night and I've never really played around with the blades much but god they look good.

My other character is stuck running headlong into the watch dog and I decided to take a break for my own sanity.

robosllim · May 10, 2018

stupei said:
Do people who want to grab the blades of mercy without seeing the quest line to the end prefer to go for it right at the beginning or after chapel? Started a bloodtinge/skill character last night and I've never really played around with the blades much but god they look good.

My other character is stuck running headlong into the watch dog and I decided to take a break for my own sanity.

I've never done it myself, but you can apparently cheese Eileen in her first location by baiting her out onto the rafters. I definitely wouldn't want to take her on in an even fight that early in the game, though. Even after all my playthroughs, the only way I've killed Djura was to knock him off his tower.

Ferrs · May 10, 2018

stupei said:
Do people who want to grab the blades of mercy without seeing the quest line to the end prefer to go for it right at the beginning or after chapel? Started a bloodtinge/skill character last night and I've never really played around with the blades much but god they look good.

My other character is stuck running headlong into the watch dog and I decided to take a break for my own sanity.

Just wait till you get acces to the first Chalice, beat it and use the false depth one with BoM.

You can also cheese her in the rafters area like robosllim said, it's kinda annoying but doable.

robosllim · May 10, 2018

Yeah, going through the chalice method is much better. I've said it plenty of times already, but I'd always recommend seeing that quest through to the very end.

Red Liquorice · May 10, 2018

I've really grown to appreciate the Chalice Dungeons. The first couple of times through them it felt like a slog with all the cut and paste, but I've grown to enjoy them, especially the root dungeons - it's just fun to run through them and see which bits are bolted together this time. I've had some really interesting layouts and a few glitchy ones with walls jutting out to/from nowhere, plenty of NPC hunters and such. But I hate, hate, hate getting the witches of Hemwick enemy that continually spawn the 3 black monsters until you kill them, they're like 10 times more annoying than the bell maidens and pink spider army, I'm not sure what spawns them, but I get them a lot in cursed Isz dungeons.

stupei · May 10, 2018

Hadn't really considered using the chalice method. Thanks!

And agreed on Djura although honestly even the times where I've tried to take him on fairly, it ended when he fell off without me trying to force it. Oops.

Seth Balmore · May 10, 2018

robosllim said:
Yeah, going through the chalice method is much better. I've said it plenty of times already, but I'd always recommend seeing that quest through to the very end.

Agreed. People need to experience the misery that is the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst. Also, the Hunter oath rune is soooo worth it if you're like me and love not having to worry about stamina.

I cheesed Djura on my first playthrough with bone marrow ash + 2 shots, but fought him fair and square on NG+. Fun fight, took him down on my 1st try amazingly enough. I came close to quickstepping off that rooftop so many times...

EDIT: Congratulations, wallmeat! :)

wallmeat · May 10, 2018

Got the platinum today, finally. Didn't look to see what my total time was, but I'm happy to put the game down for a little bit before I rejoin the hunt with a brand new build.

turbocats · May 11, 2018

wallmeat said:
Defiled Chalice was by far the hardest part of my journey for the platinum. Everything else feels like cake after that.

I'm doing the chalices in NG+, and while they've been a slog, they haven't been too bad. That being said, I'm stuck on the Defiled Chalice right now and on Amygdala, and I can easily say that's been the most frustrating part of the game thus far. I can very easily get to phase 3, but then it's kind of a dice roll as to how much farther in I get. I've tried several different strategies and I watched a couple more videos today with different techniques that I'm excited to try tonight.

wallmeat · May 11, 2018

turbocats said:
I'm doing the chalices in NG+, and while they've been a slog, they haven't been too bad. That being said, I'm stuck on the Defiled Chalice right now and on Amygdala, and I can easily say that's been the most frustrating part of the game thus far. I can very easily get to phase 3, but then it's kind of a dice roll as to how much farther in I get. I've tried several different strategies and I watched a couple more videos today with different techniques that I'm excited to try tonight.

If I recall, the chalices don't scale in difficulty, so they're going to be the same whether you're in NG or NG+ and beyond.

Amygdala was kind of a pain. I played the slow and safe route of whacking the face with Ludwig's Holy Blade and when I got to phase three, i started swinging at the legs and just chipped away at it until it died. I got stomped a few times but usually when the jump came I was fine. Good luck!

turbocats · May 11, 2018

wallmeat said:
If I recall, the chalices don't scale in difficulty, so they're going to be the same whether you're in NG or NG+ and beyond.

Amygdala was kind of a pain. I played the slow and safe route of whacking the face with Ludwig's Holy Blade and when I got to phase three, i started swinging at the legs and just chipped away at it until it died. I got stomped a few times but usually when the jump came I was fine. Good luck!

It's literally just the jump and the glowing hand slam. The slam I can most of the time avoid, but the fact that it can hit you while you're down a second time/essentially turn into a one shot is lame. The jump is just...such a gamble to have to deal with. I know some others probably feel like it's fine/easy to predict, but I find it really, really unpredictable as to whether or not I get hit (and subsequently instantly die).

wallmeat · May 11, 2018

turbocats said:
It's literally just the jump and the glowing hand slam. The slam I can most of the time avoid, but the fact that it can hit you while you're down a second time/essentially turn into a one shot is lame. The jump is just...such a gamble to have to deal with. I know some others probably feel like it's fine/easy to predict, but I find it really, really unpredictable as to whether or not I get hit (and subsequently instantly die).

That was the issue I was having with it. It took me a good few tries to get a handle on the rhythm of what I was doing and I still think the only reason I managed to finish it off was because I got lucky with some random numbers dictating its behavior.

Red Liquorice · May 11, 2018

It's a pretty boring - but safe - method, you can just stick to her tail and it will cause her to jump a lot. When she jumps, stand still and charge up an R2 to hit her head as she lands, then reposition yourself on the tail again, rinse and repeat.

turbocats · May 11, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
It's a pretty boring - but safe - method, you can just stick to her tail and it will cause her to jump a lot. When she jumps, stand still and charge up an R2 to hit her head as she lands, then reposition yourself on the tail again, rinse and repeat.

See, I tried this, but it was a REAL crapshoot. I might get a couple of attacks in, but eventually I got stomped. If playing it a bit more safe and going for arms in phase 3 doesn't work out, I may try to work on this again.

Red Liquorice · May 11, 2018

If you're getting stomped you're definately too close. I stay at the back directly beyond the very tip of the tail and reposition frequently as she moves, the arms get me the odd time, but mainly roll out of the way of them. I've tried standing in front this past playthrough as I was using Simon's Bowblade, but didn't find it any more fun of a fight than standing behind.

Mr. Tibbs · May 12, 2018

It's my first time playing this and I just managed to take out that jerk Father Gascoigne. That last fight phase when he turns into a beast was brutal. I lucked out after using the music box, which sent him into some sort of momentary crisis, and managed to pull of a backstab that took off most of his remaining health, so I could finish him off with a single Molotov. Tough fight!

I'm really enjoying the game so far, although I can tell most of the decisions I've made have made the denizens of Yharnam's lives much worse. For instance, a little girl was inconsolable when I returned her mother's brooch. There was a creepy also thing in a chapel who asked me to send anyone looking for a safe place their way, and later, I returned to the old clinic and received the same request from a lady behind a door who had already given me a couple of neat items. Since the clinic was backtracking and not on the critical path, I figured sending the old woman surrounded by wild dogs her way would be the best solution, but after asking for more patients, the clinic lady started cackling with laughter, which isn't very reassuring!

I think this might be like that time rescued the prisoner from the Undead Parish. No good deed goes unpunished!

gosublime · May 12, 2018

Mr. Tibbs said:
It's my first time playing this and I just managed to take out that jerk Father Gascoigne. That last fight phase when he turns into a beast was brutal. I lucked out after using the music box, which sent him into some sort of momentary crisis, and managed to pull of a backstab that took off most of his remaining health, so I could finish him off with a single Molotov. Tough fight!

I'm really enjoying the game so far, although I can tell most of the decisions I've made have made the denizens of Yharnam's lives much worse. For instance, a little girl was inconsolable when I returned her mother's brooch. There was a creepy also thing in a chapel who asked me to send anyone looking for a safe place their way, and later, I returned to the old clinic and received the same request from a lady behind a door who had already given me a couple of neat items. Since the clinic was backtracking and not on the critical path, I figured sending the old woman surrounded by wild dogs her way would be the best solution, but after asking for more patients, the clinic lady started cackling with laughter, which isn't very reassuring!

I think this might be like that time rescued the prisoner from the Undead Parish. No good deed goes unpunished!

Yeah - that 'momentary crisis' is that

you've made him remember his human side, including the fact he just killed his wife.

If you've given the brooch back, go to the pig in the sewer. You monster... you can then repeat the process with what you find down there.

Dude in the chapel?

Very creepy but actually the good guy. There are a couple of people you don't want to send to him though. And Iosefka (woman in clinic) has changed...

Noema · May 12, 2018

The Chapel Dweller

is probably the only genuinely good person you meet in the game, along with maybe Djura

I think I should really give up on the Defiled Watchdog before he sours me up on this game. He's such a bullshit, unfun boss for so many reasons, but mostly because of how much fucking HP he has. It means that you basically have to play perfectly for however many minutes it takes you to whittle its life bar down and suddenly, oh, bad RNG, you die. Sorry.

I found this video and it makes it look so easy. I've been trying this strat but I'm not really doing any better than I was doing before. Whoever made the video got such favorable RNG that he might as well be fighting a different boss. Not one single charge other than the initial (scripted) one; not one overhead slam. Both of those are super hard to avoid and will one-hit kill you. Just now I got 4 fucking OH slams in a row, barely avoiding the first three until the 4th one got me.

Fuck this boss.

Hopefully venting and ranting on ERA will grant me the power of RNG so that I can finally beat this motherfucker.

Red Liquorice · May 13, 2018

Watchdog is all about spacing. If you start getting too far away from him he will charge a lot more. That video is pretty much exactly how I handle it and how 95% of my fights against this boss go - staying at that mid-distance in front of him is key to a clean fight. Let the animation of his head swipes complete to the point where his head is going back to neutral position, if you go in to attack too early he will combo his head swipes and you'll get hit.

I know a lot of people dash through the head swipes, that's a bit hit and miss for me, so I keep it simple. And it's why Watchdog is one of my favourite BB bosses, because of the methodical style of fighting against his telegraphed, fair moveset.

stupei · May 13, 2018

I beat Watchdog yesterday and I found my transformed axe was really useful against him. it's the perfect range to smack his face when he moves it back to neutral. For all of his more powerful moves, watch for him doing an abnormal head movement and be ready to dodge to the left. If you don't get in too close, he doesn't really do slams. Stay at the mid-range to bait that head movement over and over and over. It's not RNG, it's his most common response to you being in that range. In his phase two and beyond his two head swipes will sometimes be three, so be ready for that.

I only move away from attacking his face when he stops to puke, and then I focus on the same (back) leg every time. Don't get greedy there because if you linger too long, he'll start doing kicks or spin and charge. After hammering away on his legs, he is often inspired to charge so be ready for it; roll away, turn, and be ready to jump left.

It's also worth mentioning that you take off very little health with your hits at first because each body part is armored, but as you focus your attacks on the face or a given leg, you will break that armor and start to do way more damage, so the fight doesn't have to be nearly as long as you might think.

I was really frustrated with that fight too until I figured out exactly where I needed to be to bait the head movement into being most of his move set and once you get that down you really start to feel in control of the flow of the combat and even if you might get taken out by a few wild moves on the way there you'll get the sense that you've got this fight and it's only a matter of when. Really changes the whole thing around. Good luck!

Noema · May 13, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
Watchdog is all about spacing. If you start getting too far away from him he will charge a lot more. That video is pretty much exactly how I handle it and how 95% of my fights against this boss go - staying at that mid-distance in front of him is key to a clean fight. Let the animation of his head swipes complete to the point where his head is going back to neutral position, if you go in to attack too early he will combo his head swipes and you'll get hit.

I know a lot of people dash through the head swipes, that's a bit hit and miss for me, so I keep it simple. And it's why Watchdog is one of my favourite BB bosses, because of the methodical style of fighting against his telegraphed, fair moveset.

stupei said:
I beat Watchdog yesterday and I found my transformed axe was really useful against him. it's the perfect range to smack his face when he moves it back to neutral. For all of his more powerful moves, watch for him doing an abnormal head movement and be ready to dodge to the left. If you don't get in too close, he doesn't really do slams. Stay at the mid-range to bait that head movement over and over and over. It's not RNG, it's his most common response to you being in that range. In his phase two and beyond his two head swipes will sometimes be three, so be ready for that.

I only move away from attacking his face when he stops to puke, and then I focus on the same (back) leg every time. Don't get greedy there because if you linger too long, he'll start doing kicks or spin and charge. After hammering away on his legs, he is often inspired to charge so be ready for it; roll away, turn, and be ready to jump left.

It's also worth mentioning that you take off very little health with your hits at first because each body part is armored, but as you focus your attacks on the face or a given leg, you will break that armor and start to do way more damage, so the fight doesn't have to be nearly as long as you might think.

I was really frustrated with that fight too until I figured out exactly where I needed to be to bait the head movement into being most of his move set and once you get that down you really start to feel in control of the flow of the combat and even if you might get taken out by a few wild moves on the way there you'll get the sense that you've got this fight and it's only a matter of when. Really changes the whole thing around. Good luck!

Thanks guys. This advice is really useful. Managed to get it down to about 6% health before I got hit by the AOE. If I crack his head I can hit him for over 1300 with my LHB.

I decided to take a quick break form the Watchdog and actually finish the game. Managed to beat

Gehrman

on my first try. Goes to show how much harder the DLC and later Chalice bosses are in comparison.

turbocats · May 13, 2018

Platinum obtained. To all my fellow hunters...

May the good blood guide your way.

Malcolm9 · May 14, 2018

Red Liquorice said:
It's a pretty boring - but safe - method, you can just stick to her tail and it will cause her to jump a lot. When she jumps, stand still and charge up an R2 to hit her head as she lands, then reposition yourself on the tail again, rinse and repeat.

This is exactly how I beat it, I think I got caught twice but other than that it was pretty straight forward.

As for the Defiled Watchdog, I ended up summoning the NPC with the Big Wheel weapon to help out. I just wanted the Platinum and I didn't care how I got it in the end.

MonthOLDpickle · May 15, 2018

I honestly don't know what to level now. I mainly use LHB (big sword) and the whirlsaw.

BL 86
VIT 30
END 15
STR 50
SKLL 28

Suggestions?

Red Liquorice · May 15, 2018

Probably endurance or just keep eeking out damage scaling past the soft caps.

robosllim · May 15, 2018

Yeah, get END up to its cap. You might be able to get another couple of swings out of your heavy weapons.

Noema · May 15, 2018

And make sure to get both the LHB and the Whirlsaw up to +10. Specially the Saw since it gets S scaling on Strength and literally wrecks faces.

At this points gems will have a greater impact on your damage than stats. Some more VIT will help in the Defiled chalice but it won't make that much of a difference.

I've been running the game on NG+ to get the third ending I missed and it's fun to wreck bosses that used to give me trouble. Killed Amelia in like 30 seconds with the Whirlsaw+BBP+fire paper. Goddamn.

It's amazing how short the game is if you just make a run towards the mandatory bosses and skip everything else. It is a testament to how good and dense the level Design is when the game feels enormous on your first run but then you realize that it really isn't.

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