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Eurogamer: Leaks suggest Retro Studios making Star Fox racing spin-off (also heard by EG's sources)
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Based on everything we know of Nintendo's creative process, they come up with gameplay and everything else in a window dressing made in service of the core gameplay mechanic.
That might not be to your fancy and that's perfectly fine.
Very high.
Racing games have an audience on Switch more than you might think, If it is really good, it might even sell 2-3 mln copies.
It's not to my fancy at all, just like I don't enjoy having all movies exist in only a few universes as window dressing made in service to the narrative, no matter how different. I view it as largely creatively bankrupt, or at the very least, lazy.
It better be :P
At a three year development time (judging by Tenabe's past comments), it's a modern AAA game, through and through. Ain't nobody gonna fund a AAA franchise if it can only squeeze 2 million units.
I don't want my favorite Trilogy to die before it can make another one.
I'm hoping that this one can reach 5 million units. That would be the dream. The power of Hype can do it. Realistically, I think the series can survive at 3-4 mil per game.
If it's anything like what I imagine I think it could clear 5 millions easily. I know this is just baseless speculation, but I think Switch owners would embrace it. I'm thinking of it as Mario Kart with much more single player content. And sure the franchis doesn't have a wide appeal currently but I believe it will be a case of the game's success raising the characters' popularity.
The good old lazy and intelectually bankrupt lazy devs argument.
Prime 1 sold about 2.5 million, IIRC. It's gonna have to break about 3 million to beat it. Which I think it can because the Switch is very healthy right now.
I think there's just as much value to Nintendo's approach of putting one or more gameplay mechanics in the spotlight as there is to someone coming up with a universe and then trying to come up with gameplay to fit the idea.
Also, seeing how Nintendo's approach results in concept as outlandish and novel as Splatoon (where the entire world is designed to fit the gameplay mechanics) and Arms (where the gameplay mechanic has informed the very character design), I don't think it necessarily results in any kind of creative bankrupcy in terms of the non-gameplay parts.
Really though, the big hit will be Fire Emblem. Warriors sold 1 million units
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I can see the main game easily reaching 5+ million copies, if it has everything. The right hook, the great advertising, and the quality, ofc. The fan base is strong and growing.
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I can see the main game easily reaching 5+ million copies, if it has everything. The right hook, the great advertising, and the quality, ofc. The fan base is strong and growing.
This coming from an employee
It'd be hilarious if they used the name F-Zero SX. But I've often thought F-Zero XS is actually a pretty decent name. Excessive speed etc!
Yeah. That definitely feels like where the franchise can be.
IMO, I think a well made, incredibly innovative Metroid Prime 4 could be a Souls-style breakout success.
But that would have to come out on a home console with AMD Polaris architecture.
Use Warned: “Lazy Dev” Rhetoric
I only have a problem when it's stated that placing mechanics in the spotlight comes at the cost of creating entire new intellectual properties as they will search within their already existing catalog for those mechanics to exist. How do novel gameplay ideas preclude them from also coming up with new universes? Because Miyamoto speaks as if they're incompatible. There's a few reasons I can think of why they do this:
1) it's more likely to be commercially successful when attached to well known properties.
2) as assets already exist, this saves them an incredible amount of work (which is why I used the word lazy).
I'm hard-pressed to really consider Nintendo to be creatively bankrupt, but do believe them to be lazy, and if not lazy, it's due to their extreme conservatism. I suspect this is a corporate decision, not a creative one. New IPs are huge expenditures and time investments. Why not shove many of their gameplay ideas into existing frameworks where much of the work has already been thought up and done?
I can see your point (I do disagree with notions laziness or greed on their behalf, but I that's beside the point) but fortunately, it seems to me that Splatoon's success may have caused a shift in regards to reluctance of building new IPs out of gameplay ideas.
I distinctly remember Aonuma saying he was being asked to make a new IP.
99 pages means that this news is making waves and its a good thing. If there is indeed a a star fox/fzero racing type game in the works, one could hope that the theme has an 80's future funk vibe to it with the music to match. Neon and interlacing with some throwbacks to classic sci fi anime would be amazing. Each track set is its own world with a hub that has a specific culture or theme. Racing could be either by air or in the water or land with specific vehicle types. Battle modes with mech type vehicles in a destruction derbt type mode. Hunts for rare items to power your vehicles. Bounty hunter mode chasing down space criminals using vehicles like chase h q and reminiscent of cowboy bebop. Amalgamation of the star fox and f zero universe seems like a good marriage. This thing should write itself, I think this can work well, execution though is always the key.
Hope so. I'm only frustrated with this philosophy as Nintendo is one of (if not the) best software developers on the planet and it's a shame to watch their ideas and creativity, no matter how brilliant and distinct, be shoehorned into something we've seen many times before. There's more to games than only mechanics, and everything else shouldn't be relegated to window dressing.
Yes there is that, and also the timing, because if they launch it in the fall of 2018, it will benefit a lot from the holidays, plus the fact that it is Star Fox suggests me that it will be something in between Mario Kart and F-Zero (a little more hardcore than MK but definitely not as brutal as F-Zero).
Wow you almost gave me a full bingo on just a single page of posts.
But sure, I too was a little frustrated from 2006-2009, that brief period when Nintendo stopped putting much effort into reinventing or creating new IP directed at core gamers. Shit was almost a decade ago though. Not sure why you've still got a chip on your shoulder about it.
I'm just gonna say, if this game looks graphically amazing (like you would expect from Retro) and has a hint of edge to it (like something à la Jak X, F-Zero or WipEout), we're gonna be all over it. I have no doubts the actual reveal is gonna turn most of the negative voices around hard. Every time I picture this game in my head I just get more and more giddy.
Yeah he should've said it not act like it's real. We get those bs "oh look the leaked conference on a piece of paper" every single year. It's tradition at this point.
The "leaked conference on a piece of paper" thing is pretty outdated now that Nintendo has switched to a pre-recorded video format. Like, what possible purpose would a paper copy of a program serve when the video was likely scripted, storyboarded, and shot days or even weeks ahead of time?
People think it's funny and there's nothing funny about it. It's lame.
Well, they'd need a timetable for their Treehouse stream still.
I heard DeNA developed an app for that on their mobile devices.
So the Starfox Grand Prix rumor is to be believed, but not the rest of the "leaked" list?
Taking notes. Retro seems to always make contentious games lol.
Taking notes. Retro seems to always make contentious games lol.
I'm really curious about what the visuals will be like. I know we were expecting good things for Zero but they wanted to retain the "angular" and "sharp" aesthetics from the original games, such that the visuals were kinda underwhelming compared to something like 64 back in its day. Retro has shown to be exceptionally talented in art and graphical design so I'm hoping this will be a major step up from that.
I dunno, Yoshi's Flipping Island is a pretty funny name.
"Corporate lazy" is still lazy. You're accusing them of falling back on old franchises because it's too much work to think up new ones.
When in reality they use their old franchises often because that guarantees the games get far more exposure and sales. Developers want people to play their games, so they want their games to reach more people.
Imagine if you were developing a 3D platforming game. If you were given the opportunity to turn it into a Mario game, such that the game was guaranteed probably 10 million sales or more, thus ensuring your hard work pays off, would you turn down that opportunity?
I dunno, Yoshi's Flipping Island is a pretty funny name.
"Corporate lazy" is still lazy. You're accusing them of falling back on old franchises because it's too much work to think up new ones.
When in reality they use their old franchises often because that guarantees the games get far more exposure and sales. Developers want people to play their games, so they want their games to reach more people.
Imagine if you were developing a 3D platforming game. If you were given the opportunity to turn it into a Mario game, such that the game was guaranteed probably 10 million sales or more, thus ensuring your hard work pays off, would you turn down that opportunity?
Just caught up on this. I saw some of the pre-discussion in the Nintendo first-party thread but missed all the fun when the rumour started to be reported everywhere.
My first thought was about the sudden leakiness as well, but I came to a different conclusion. If anything, this is a mark against the leak as coming from too narrow a band of sources. Reporters are fed tips all the time, and it's their job to make an evaluation of credibility and judge whether they should risk staking their publication's masthead or personal brand on passing it on to the public. Rumour-mill types like Liam Robertson naturally have less to lose than, say, Eurogamer because they already have a reputation for being extremely hit-or-miss.
In this case, it seems the bigger publications were all fed the same crumbs at some point, but crucially, decided not to publish because they couldn't independently verify the information. In other words, nobody wanted to be first, even with the obvious benefits of attention/citation that come with breaking a big story; the tips they were sitting on just weren't good enough. You're seeing a big wave of reporting on the same leak now because "we've heard it too" is newsworthy now that someone else has taken the reputational risk of firing first, but note that (as far as I have seen) the corroborations from the bigger publications are not expanding our picture of the scope or reliability of the sources involved. And they've stated their caveats accordingly. It's not like a situation where, for instance, the NYT, Washington Post, and so on have separate trusted links with White House staff, where the more reporting you hear, the wider the network of trust relationships is behind the story.
The size of the reaction to this story, magnified by years of pent-up curiosity about what Retro is up to next, may be occluding our view of how little information is actually floating here.
For the record, I believe it. But that's coloured by my excitement over the idea and how much sense it makes once you think about it.
My first thought was about the sudden leakiness as well, but I came to a different conclusion. If anything, this is a mark against the leak as coming from too narrow a band of sources. Reporters are fed tips all the time, and it's their job to make an evaluation of credibility and judge whether they should risk staking their publication's masthead or personal brand on passing it on to the public. Rumour-mill types like Liam Robertson naturally have less to lose than, say, Eurogamer because they already have a reputation for being extremely hit-or-miss.
In this case, it seems the bigger publications were all fed the same crumbs at some point, but crucially, decided not to publish because they couldn't independently verify the information. In other words, nobody wanted to be first, even with the obvious benefits of attention/citation that come with breaking a big story; the tips they were sitting on just weren't good enough. You're seeing a big wave of reporting on the same leak now because "we've heard it too" is newsworthy now that someone else has taken the reputational risk of firing first, but note that (as far as I have seen) the corroborations from the bigger publications are not expanding our picture of the scope or reliability of the sources involved. And they've stated their caveats accordingly. It's not like a situation where, for instance, the NYT, Washington Post, and so on have separate trusted links with White House staff, where the more reporting you hear, the wider the network of trust relationships is behind the story.
The size of the reaction to this story, magnified by years of pent-up curiosity about what Retro is up to next, may be occluding our view of how little information is actually floating here.
For the record, I believe it. But that's coloured by my excitement over the idea and how much sense it makes once you think about it.
I don't understand the PlatinumGames F-Zero calls. They've never made a racing game before, have they?
I can't believe prople are anything less than THRILLED for a big first-party Retro-led Star Fox release. A racing component sounds like a great new direction for the IP.
This is Nintendo saving the franchise after Zero.
It's already my most anticipated Switch title.
This is Nintendo saving the franchise after Zero.
It's already my most anticipated Switch title.
The thing is the single player of this game could basically be Star Fox (on rails like we know) except there's a racing multiplayer now. This could be a dream game for Star Fox fans and others who couldn't get into Star Fox.
So Star Fox is the second project? The one that began in 2014 is in development hell? That would mean this one has Sakamoto in Tanabe's roll..
Zero looked like crap because the game had to be rendered twice, once on the tv, once on the gamepad.
The fact they shoehorned the gamepad in the game messed up Zero in oh so many ways.
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