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Supernatural Season 13 |OT| Lucky Number 13. And We Gotta Keep Fiction Happy.
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Last weeks episode was actually fantastic, it's been a while since they had a solid character development episode that was also a MotW episode that ALSO moved the plot along.
If the character development stays this strong this entire season this might actually be a great season.
If the character development stays this strong this entire season this might actually be a great season.
I don't know about you guys, but what really got me in the feels was when Dean told Sam to keep believing their mom is alive for both their sakes :(
That was probably the best episode of the season, lots of focus on Sam (who got some POV ! Fuck yeah !) and Dean's development... which got unfortunately interrupted by crappy Castiel scenes. Totally messed with the pacing.
I don't really have an opinion about Castiel's return yet because every single season the writers will stick him in the worst plot, either on his own or with a shitty recurring character, even though he's always at his best when he's with Sam and Dean.
So far they're doing everything right when it comes to Jack though. Best storyline in a very long time, although there's still plenty of time to fuck it up.
I don't really have an opinion about Castiel's return yet because every single season the writers will stick him in the worst plot, either on his own or with a shitty recurring character, even though he's always at his best when he's with Sam and Dean.
So far they're doing everything right when it comes to Jack though. Best storyline in a very long time, although there's still plenty of time to fuck it up.
Well I was 100% right about Dean being dead inside.
Billie looks bad ass with Deaths blade.
And those fucking teases ugh
Billie looks bad ass with Deaths blade.
And those fucking teases ugh
I thought Billie was different damn it. Why couldn't they get the og?
Another thing that sucks is that it nerfs Death again, too. Instead of being some all-powerful cosmic being, it's just another monster that--while very powerful--can be killed and has rules to follow.
I like to think the OG Death is just chilling out and keeping up the ruse because it doesn't want to deal with the Winchester's BS.
Side note: I was a bit miffed also that, once again, Dean gets the plot-important, dramatic scene. Can they let Sam have something, please?
Even Death was like, "You, Dean, cannot die because you're important. Also your brother or something. I guess."
Even Death was like, "You, Dean, cannot die because you're important. Also your brother or something. I guess."
Let's be honest Sam hasn't been super important since he was Lucy's meatsuit. At least now he has the subplot with Jack
Yeah, but that was 8 years ago. Like, that's almost an entire run of Smallville with Clark bring secondary to Jason Teague.
I honestly think the problem is that the original vision of the show was for Sam to be the main character. And while I will praise his acting chops he just happened to costar with one of the best actors I've ever seen. So Dean took a step forward and now he's the main character and it's jarring for people who expect Sam to be main
Ackles auditioned for Sam, too, didn't he? Or was it Padalecki who auditioned for Dean?
I wonder how that version of the show would have turned out.
I can't remember I think Padalecki auditioned for Dean but they though it would be funny if the older brother was shorter. AFAIR
Nice little episode, very enjoyable. Not big on Billie myself but I liked the explanation. Dean acting like a jackass feels a little more earned now.
Also, they keep shutting me down when I yell "SECRETS!" at the screen. The brothers are an open book these days, and I just don't know how to cope with how great that is.
Also, they keep shutting me down when I yell "SECRETS!" at the screen. The brothers are an open book these days, and I just don't know how to cope with how great that is.
I also wonder if they didn't want Padalecki to be Dean so people won't think it's the same dude from Gilmore Girls now hunting monsters.
I'm really digging what they're doing with this season's story telling, where they're doing these very MotW episodes but are also making them plot relevant. I really hope this keeps up through the entire season.
I thought this week's ghost was the scariest one since the early seasons.
Those plague masks are scary as shit.
No kidding. I honestly thought that the mask the kid took was going to cause all kinds of problems, I didn't expect the episode to go the way it did.
That episode was so good.
No actor for the role of Death would've lived up to Julian Richings, but what they did with Billie was pretty exciting, even if you're not a fan of Billie, that conversation with her and Dean was still great. I wonder where that place Billie and Dean were was supposed to be. Heaven?
Entertainment Weekly's review, for anyone interested.
http://ew.com/recap/supernatural-season-13-episode-5/
No actor for the role of Death would've lived up to Julian Richings, but what they did with Billie was pretty exciting, even if you're not a fan of Billie, that conversation with her and Dean was still great. I wonder where that place Billie and Dean were was supposed to be. Heaven?
Entertainment Weekly's review, for anyone interested.
http://ew.com/recap/supernatural-season-13-episode-5/
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I really hope this new Death is temporary, much like non-Mark Pellegrino Lucifer.
I wonder if archangels go to the Empty, actually. Remember when God said in season 11 that He couldn't just instantly revive archangels because whatever reasons? Seems like it wouldn't be a thing if He could just go to the Empty and just wake 'em up. Or maybe He just didn't feel like it and lied about it.
I wonder if archangels go to the Empty, actually. Remember when God said in season 11 that He couldn't just instantly revive archangels because whatever reasons? Seems like it wouldn't be a thing if He could just go to the Empty and just wake 'em up. Or maybe He just didn't feel like it and lied about it.
The "Cosmic Entity" that rules The Empty said last week that God had no power in The Empty. There's no reason to think archangels wouldn't go there.
I just want Gabe back y'all. Even if he's human to avoid power creep. Just bring him back
And I agree with the article member how I kept saying Dean was dead inside? He got plunked but a demon for goodness sake
And I agree with the article member how I kept saying Dean was dead inside? He got plunked but a demon for goodness sake
Totally forgot about that. But God can revive angels and probably whatever else He wants, though, so He must have at least some power there. "Nothing comes back from [the Empty]," but Castiel does a few times.
Plus, if even a lesser being like Jack (who is albeit extremely powerful) can wake someone up there, I don't see why God or Amara couldn't. Maybe archangels are just heavy sleepers?
Me, too. There are so many avenues to do it this season, too, given the Empty, Jack, and the alt world.
As far as we know the only archangels there are Gabe and and Raphael.
What about alt-Lucifer? Are there multiple Empties? Does God hold dominion over all realities or just ours?
I thought about this. Even Gadreel res'd Cas once, but I take it as Cas only just died so he didn't get to the Empty yet. Since no angels have been resurrected other than right after they've died, this makes sense to me. Just as humans don't get to Heaven/Hell instantly. Every time Cas was resurrected, it wasn't long after he died. But if they get to The Empty, then it's over. I guess?
Well there's definitely multiple Heavens and Hells, so probably multiple Empties and Gods as well? Unless we learn otherwise, I suppose.
Episode was very good, cant wait for Cas and Jack to meet. Kind of upset how they killed the original Death, Billie is ok but she cant top the original, afterall he was hyped up to be God level so I do wonder about his relation to God, Amara and the Empty(I guess the show righters forgot about it)
Pretty good episode. I do like how they sorta solved the issue with Death, despite it being silly. We know reapers are angels(which is honestly the stupidest shit ever, because, Death is at least as old as God, which means he predates Angels, so how the fuck did he become Death in the first place? This would've made sense had they not ruined shit with reapers being a class of angel. I do dig the new scythe though, that shit is badass. I too hope Death is just chilling somewhere because he's tired of having to revive Sam & Dean due to some universe reason. Maybe Death is in the empty, and awoke due to Castiel and will come back and take his place! I hope.
Damn Jensen for making me shed tears though, his speech with Billie made me cry :(.
Damn Jensen for making me shed tears though, his speech with Billie made me cry :(.
Death was never a reaper though, he was a Horsemen. The Horsemen are their own species. It makes sense that Death predates angels and reapers because he is neither, he his own thing like all of the Horsemen.
Angels being reapers was pretty terrible though.
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Well he was meant to be, the way they killed him off was so depressing.
This season is awesome so far. I love that they brought Billie back and just, overall, the tone has been excellent. Continuing what I loved about last season.
Now just bring fully-good Crowley back and I'll be happy.
Now just bring fully-good Crowley back and I'll be happy.
Yeh that's what I was getting at, that makes this whole thing annoying for me. Why would an angel suddenly ascend to the rank of Horsemen? It doesn't make much sense to me. Take over temporarily, sure, but to be Death the horsemen is stupid.
Death isn't just a horseman though, he's like Chuck: a force of nature. His abilities were far beyond the other horseman and even says Lucifer had bound him with a spell. He wasn't born a horseman, he was born Death and going of the logic of the show there always needs to be a Death. Having a dead reaper become Death, should the OG Death die, is a pretty poetic way of going about it.
B-Dubs explains it well. Death was never a reaper/angel, he never ascended in power/rank to become Death like Billie, he has always been Death, a "primordial entity" as the wiki puts it, and he's been like that since pretty much the start of everything. All the show introduced was that on the event the OG Death dies, a reaper will take his place. It doesn't change anything about the OG Death, just introduced lore on what happens if the OG Death dies. Billie is the first reaper to ever become the new Death.
It's like if God died and then an angel took his place.
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Decent episode, but I was not pleased to see Billie as Death. I'm still kinda hoping that the OG Death is just chilling somewhere gorging on fast food.
Because to go from a being that was around before God and will be around afterwards too, to be taken out by a sickle is just plain dumb and as mentioned, turns Death in yet another monster who can be 'killed'
Because to go from a being that was around before God and will be around afterwards too, to be taken out by a sickle is just plain dumb and as mentioned, turns Death in yet another monster who can be 'killed'
As soon as Death is introduced we learn that his own sickle can kill him. We've known this since season 5.
Huh. It's been so long I forgot they said it could kill him.
Still, it is death, why would he hand the one weapon that can kill him to a emotionally unstable Winchester, did he honestly expect Dean to kill his brother? At that moment Death just became another monster who underestimated the Winchesters.
Ah okay, I guess that's fair lol. I was looking a little too much into it.
Yeah okay. I would've preferred if Death tricked Dean into thinking he killed him, but whatever. The first reaper to die becoming Death is a bit odd though, reapers don't typically die lol.
Yup that's what a lot of people have pointed out. There's no way Death is stupid enough to believe Dean would actually kill his brother.
Maybe death was tired of it all and just was like Fuck it, Dean can kill me.
Loool Yeh. He probably got tired of having to let them keep coming back to life :p. Billie said that when she became Death her eyes were opened and saw that Dean and Sam are important. So likely OG Death knew that too, so he let himself be killed? Maybe as part of the plan? Because if they have a specific purpose and he knows they have one, he wouldn't let Sam permadie and put Dean in the farthest reaches of the Universe.
The thing is, that's nonsense, too. Sam and Dean are human. When they die, they'll enter the Veil, and then a reaper will take them to Heaven or Hell, as would happen with any other human. So they would actually still be around and be accessible if they are needed, as we already know that angels, demons, reapers, etc. can revive people whenever.