Oh really? For some reason I thought really hi res audio took up a lot of space.
Q9FN vs ZD9
Lol.
He's a good sport lol
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Oh really? For some reason I thought really hi res audio took up a lot of space.
He's a good sport lol
Having watched 720p Netflix or a blu or 2 so far I'm not disappointed with my c7.
Mmmmmm, tbh i'll be a bit on the horizon of my knowledge here, but I think very rough estimate is that the hi res audio track can be ~20% of what's stored on a disc. This can be highly variable I think though, based on how many languages etc.
However, that's when you need to consider total storage size. This applies less so from a streaming perspective, where there's no local storage per se. I think peak bitrate for even something like DTS Master Audio is ~20mbps or something like that, which is way less than the video/HDR data that gets you to an HDMI 2.0b max of 18Gbps.
From that perspective, the audio information is infinitesimally smaller than the video information. So I'm not sure why we get DD+ instead of TrueHD for example.
Maybe there's something in my explanation that I don't appreciate about the bitrate or size of the information. Not sure.
Some of his videos are amazing, because he always delivers it with like a dry sense of humor, its just so funny.
Oh wow. That makes the subpar audio hurt a lot more. You think it's because 99% of folks don't have Atmos setups so "why focus on them and waste the extra effort / space"?
I completely understand how it's technically impossible, but yeah on the show floor it looked black. I know blooming and all that is there if you look for it, but for someone less knowledgeable and just looking at TVs on the floor, you'd probably be really impressed with the Q9.
There was a whole Sony section where I played some demo material and side by side with LED you can clearly see the Sony OLED wins out.
Vincent is a good actor. Delivers these groan worthy jokes with a perfectly stone face. haha
I was lurking around on AVS (big mistake) and a lot of people on there are saying that the x930E has Dolby Vision problems but didn't allude to what they are.
Are they real issues or are they exaggerating?
Are they real issues or are they exaggerating?
When it comes to LCDs it sure looks that way.
Uniformity seems sub par all around (rtings/modernwize/hdtvtest's Q9FNs all had noticeable vertical banding), the local dimming algorithm is too agressive, PQ EOTF tracking is bad etc
Don't really get the "best LCD" from rtings to be honest
Honestly, I'm not sure. 99% of folks don't have Atmos setups, true, but in the case of stuff like iTunes it's a super weird regression where they don't even have just regular 5.1/7.1 DTS MA or Dolby TrueHD. It's like they decided lossless just doesn't matter.
That's probably true for most folks with soundbars and TV speakers, but if there was an audience big enough for it to make sense to be standard on blu ray discs (and UHD blu rays), i'm not sure what the thought process is when going to streaming/digital downloads. (with the exception bein K Scape)
I really need to go see a Q9 in a dark room for myself somewhere. preferably next to an OLED.
Vincent touches on an important point in that review about the color accuracy for SDR that I saw also measured for myself for my KS8000 (another Samsung TV), that it is indeed undersaturated across the board, and especially at lower video levels. It makes the content that is normally watched look wayyyyy too flat and underwhelming. I even had the same reaction as him, where I was in disbelief considering that they tout the wide color of the quantum dots as a selling point. In fact, his color gamut chart looks a lot like my KS8000's, where the points are pulled too far in, and the greens and magentas curve outward. It took a lot of color space adjustments to get it correct on my TV, but I've heard that Sony TV's have that correct out of the box despite not having that adjustment exposed to the user.
In the Magnolia by me, the C8 looked far more "real" than the Q9FN, despite the color space on the Q9. The deep blacks matter so much
Let's say I don't go the B7 or 930E route I've been considering and opt for a more affordable TCL P617 or 2018 VIzio P series.
Which would you guys go with? All of the QC issues with the TCL make me nervous, but at the same time the Vizio isn't really in anyone's hands yet.
Which would you guys go with? All of the QC issues with the TCL make me nervous, but at the same time the Vizio isn't really in anyone's hands yet.
It's not the first time that I thought Vincent's reviews are way more accurate and professional than rtings' for example. He's a great dude, very informative and likeable too.
Rtings on the other hand rely way too much on sheer numbers and carbon copy reviews. Just look at their upscaling section for the latest high end TVs. You'd think they perform are all the same cause they use the exact same wording without any comparison with previous models or comments on improvements.
Samsung must hate him. This video says their tech fucks up blacks at launch.
That's all rtings is for to be honest.
If you want more in depth reviews detailing motion handling, upscaling etc you'd have to look elsewhere
Regarding Rtings, for the KS8000 their specs for the 65" were not the same as for the 55" so their assumption about their review for one size being useful for another is not entirely valid. As an example, the contrast ratio is 4500:1 on mine rather than their 6700:1. Just for fun I tried comparing what their calibration settings did to my TV compared to its defaults as well as to my own calibration. What happens is that the inaccuracies are just "moved around" rather than improved, and especially the colorspace gets distorted.
So if I wanted a standalone 4K UHD player with DV included and I'm in the UK, what are my options? I have a Xbox One S that I've been using exclusively for 4K UHD discs but tbh, it's a bit rubbish as an actual player, and I have issues with some of my discs not playing on it.
20mbps would be higher than Vudu's 4K video bit rate, even.
Interesting. I just checked and DTS MA is actually 24.5 mbps
Where can you see the video bitrate for a Vudu stream?
Yikes. Bad Samsung.
Local dimming is way too aggressive and HDR is overly bright compared to reference.
i haven't really seen an atmos or dts:x track exceed 8mbps though
i think it's just a matter of keeping sizes low wherever possible since most people treat sound like an afterthought as bumrush suggested earlier
You guys were actually having the conversation I was coming to ask about. I went to Best Buy with the intent of buying a 4k Blu Ray player, but didn't because I already have a One X, and I'd really only be buying the player for Dolby Vision, which seemed silly for a number of reasons.
1) As mentioned, I already have something to play 4k HDR movies.
2) I'm currently trying to reduce clutter as is by going digital streaming when possible.
My question was going to be about streaming 4k and DV, and it seems like it's fine? I mean, I still may very well end up with a player and The Matrix come Tuesday, but it's a lot to spend if streaming works nearly as well quality wise.
1) As mentioned, I already have something to play 4k HDR movies.
2) I'm currently trying to reduce clutter as is by going digital streaming when possible.
My question was going to be about streaming 4k and DV, and it seems like it's fine? I mean, I still may very well end up with a player and The Matrix come Tuesday, but it's a lot to spend if streaming works nearly as well quality wise.
Decent. It'll depend when the chipsets are mass produced. By IFA in fall you'll have a pretty certain idea.
I'd wait until e3 to see if MS announces DV support on the x1x.
I don't think it matters much tbh. TV speakers are always gonna sound like crap. I highly recommend you get a soundbar or receiver+speakers. Even a cheap soundbar will be a dramatic leap in quality compared to the internal speakers.
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At this point, 50/50 sounds reasonable. There's just been so little news that it's tough to make a call one way or another.
Q9FN vs ZD9
Lol.
Didn't get a chance to watch this yet, but looks like Vincent and flatpanelshd are having it out a little bit on Twitter. Does he shit on some other outlets in here somewhere?
The whole thread is below that
Btw fuck this guy for playin Jerry Springer tho honestly. Like, "oh let me tag a bunch of people in a tweet to get them to bicker at each other". Kinddddddaaaa dumb.
Video is pretty close on iTunes 4K streams but the audio isn't a patch on retail UHDs.
Edit: Watched it again and yeah, Vincent overstepped for sure
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Don't really see Vincents side on this one. He called out another publication without having his facts straight and without contacting them. Seems like mudthrowing without any reason to.
I mean, at least make an annotation or something.
You're absolutely right. I watched it the first time while watching TV and didn't really notice, but Vincent overstepped. Just needed to make the point, didn't need to call out other reviewers.
Watched it now.
He clearly lets some words slide in the video that were maybe a bit careless. The slide calling out other publications certainly was not necessary.
That being said he is absolutely, 100%, with zero doubt in my mind, correct in his assumption that manufacturers will see praise for the peak brightness of that set and adjust plans accordingly, to the detriment of accurate picture (which i hate).
Honestly, the point was made very hamfistedly, but given the point being made in such a fashion, or not at all, I'd vastly prefer that he make it (and be smarter about the approach next time).
Yup, your tweet was PERFECT. Consumers need to know this information. Vincent could have handled it much differently (either don't mention specific reviewers or call them first to ask them to comment since there were only two he quoted and I'm SURE they all know each other), and he should have, but the content of what he said is very important.
The Vizio will vastly outperform the TCL, however it will also be a bit more expensive. If it was me I'd go with the Vizio.
The 2017 P Series has more dimmable zones but is 600nits while the 2018 is 1000nits. The 2018 supports HLG and they brought back the ATSC tuner, though not sure how big of a deal that is to you.
The main thing with the 2017's is they were basically the same as the 2016's. It was mostly software updates and the inclusion of a regular remote instead of a tablet. 2017 P Series are still fantastic panels for the price, especially now that you can no doubt find them cheaper.
However for a bit more money they've definitely improved everything across the board for the 2018's.
It's all been kicking off on AVF, lots of people calling for the reference status to be removed! Poor Steve Withers has taken a battering, meant to be addressing it shortly.
Q9FN vs ZD9
Lol.
This is a good enough review and highlights some of the issues with the Samsung. Having said that, though, why is Vincent using a Z9D as reference? It's not a reference-quality display for dark scenes, particularly not the starfield scenes that he uses to show Samsung's local dimming flaws.
Despite the choice of Samsung to go with favoring absolute contrast in dark scenes over having a more accurate picture, I'd probably still favor it over the Sony flagship, personally. As a gamer the Q9FN is a better total package.
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