Analogue Super NT - orders and shipping(Now you're playing with SUPER POWER)

Aeana · Mar 25, 2018

Stuff like Brasso works because it's conductive and does do a good job of removing gunk on the connectors. The problem is that it's high on solids and leaves a residue which can eventually interfere with the connection and it's also an abrasive, so long term use may deteriorate the plating on the pins. If you ever do use Brasso, you should still use isopropyl alcohol to remove the residue afterward.

F34R · Mar 25, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
There you go, you've seen someone say not to use alcohol now.

The metal polish debate will last forever because you have people on one side saying not to do it, and people on the other side doing it with success. People against it are literally arguing against results. That isn't to say the people against it are wrong, but it's a hard uphill battle to convince people to stop doing the thing that is working for them.

Well, that warning isn't necessarily on the Super NES games. Although, if we're going by label logic, you can't safely clean a SNES game without using the OFFICIAL Super Nintendo Cleaning kit. /shrugs

Vade · Mar 25, 2018

Am I the only one thats bothered that the Super Turrican box's back is upside down from the front? lol

F34R · Mar 25, 2018

Vade said:
Am I the only one thats bothered that the Super Turrican box's back is upside down from the front? lol

I would be a little annoyed if I opened it lol. Mine are still "sealed".

Hero_of_the_Day · Mar 25, 2018

F34R said:
Well, that warning isn't necessarily on the Super NES games. Although, if we're going by label logic, you can't safely clean a SNES game without using the OFFICIAL Super Nintendo Cleaning kit. /shrugs

Yeah, I wasn't being serious with that as a real argument against it or anything. Wasn't the stuff in the official cleaning kits just alcohol, despite that warning?

Polioliolio · Mar 25, 2018

When those brasso tips first became popular, I used them on my favorite games..... Guh. Later I learned how it wasn't good and... Well there's no use crying over spilt milk I guess. Beh.

F34R · Mar 25, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
Yeah, I wasn't being serious with that as a real argument against it or anything. Wasn't the stuff in the official cleaning kits just alcohol, despite that warning?

Oh, I get what you're saying. I was kinda taking a jab at the warning sticker, etc., and Nintendo recommended using the alcohol with the cleaning kit.

ShinJohnpv · Mar 25, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
There you go, you've seen someone say not to use alcohol now.

The metal polish debate will last forever because you have people on one side saying not to do it, and people on the other side doing it with success. People against it are literally arguing against results. That isn't to say the people against it are wrong, but it's a hard uphill battle to convince people to stop doing the thing that is working for them.

There's no debate. Brasso is a polish, polish removes the surface layer, you're literally destroying your catridge using it. Keep using it enough and you're going to wear away too much contact and you'll have a dead game. It's literally made to strip layers off things. If people can't get a cart working with a white eraser, and isopropyl alcohol then go to Deoxit, which is a product made to improve the contacts on electronics without stripping away any of the contact.

Just because something worked doesn't mean its the right thing to do. There are products out there for this without resorting to something that in time could destroy your cartridge.

Hero_of_the_Day · Mar 25, 2018

ShinJohnpv said:
Just because something worked doesn't mean its the right thing to do. There are products out there for this without resorting to something that in time could destroy your cartridge.

I get that. And it's worth spreading the word. But, like I said, you're never gonna convince everyone, because it does work. You have to convince people not to believe their eyes.

TheDeep1974 · Mar 26, 2018

Are there any plans to make scanlines look nicer at 1080p?

Aeana · Mar 26, 2018

Everblue said:
Are there any plans to make scanlines look nicer at 1080p?

Yes. He wants to get the game compatibility worked out first, but he plans to redo the scanline stuff so it's better.

Krathoon · Apr 16, 2018

I am not getting any video output but I am hearing the audio from startup.

I am running it on a Sony WEGA.

F34R · Apr 16, 2018

Krathoon said:
I am not getting any video output but I am hearing the audio from startup.

I am running it on a Sony WEGA.

Did you already try a different cable? Same cable different input?

Krathoon · Apr 16, 2018

F34R said:
Did you already try a different cable? Same cable different input?

Yes. I tried another cable and directly ran it to the TV and it still didn't work. I also updated the firmware.

One thing I haven't tried is connecting it to a computer monitor that I have.

Krathoon · Apr 16, 2018

I just thought of something. It might be trying to output to 1080p and my TV doesn't support that.

Lakeside · Apr 16, 2018

Krathoon said:
I just thought of something. It might be trying to output to 1080p and my TV doesn't support that.

added in 4.4:

- Holding reset on powerup will force 480p mode. This should fix the issue people were having with non-detection of EDID leading to blank screens. Once booted, you can attempt to change modes to a higher one (i.e. 720p).

Maybe that will help?

Krathoon · Apr 16, 2018

Lakeside said:
added in 4.4:

- Holding reset on powerup will force 480p mode. This should fix the issue people were having with non-detection of EDID leading to blank screens. Once booted, you can attempt to change modes to a higher one (i.e. 720p).

Maybe that will help?

Yep. I bet that is the problem.

Krathoon · Apr 16, 2018

I turns out that it only works if I force the 480p. My TV is too old.

grendelrt · Apr 16, 2018

F34R said:
I've used isopropyl alcohol + pink eraser. The rare situation that doesn't work, magic eraser with some isopropyl alcohol. Neither of my methods have shown any negative affects to the plethora of carts I've cleaned over the years.

For my neo geo carts I do this (pink eraser and contact cleaner) plus a coating of deoxit, hasn't failed me yet.

Lakeside · Apr 16, 2018

Krathoon said:
I turns out that it only works if I force the 480p. My TV is too old.

So what TV is this if it can't do 480p but has HDMI?

Edit: Or your TV can only do 480p? I'd think that would be old component video stuff.

Krathoon · Apr 17, 2018

Lakeside said:
So what TV is this if it can't do 480p but has HDMI?

Edit: Or your TV can only do 480p? I'd think that would be old component video stuff.

My TV goes up to 1080i.

I think what was happening was that I did not save the settings on the Super NT.

Next time, I will hold reset on power up to force it to 480p. Then, I will switch it to 720p and then save settings.

Lakeside · Apr 17, 2018

Krathoon said:
My TV goes up to 1080i.

I think what was happening was that I did not save the settings on the Super NT.

Next time, I will hold reset on power up to force it to 480p. Then, I will switch it to 720p and then save settings.

That sounds like what Imhad to do for my PC monitor. The 480p is jus a one time only thing so you,can select a resolution.

ThorHammerstein · Apr 17, 2018

Krathoon said:
My TV goes up to 1080i.

I think what was happening was that I did not save the settings on the Super NT.

Next time, I will hold reset on power up to force it to 480p. Then, I will switch it to 720p and then save settings.

Every WEGA I've seen is like that: 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
If you are experiencing that, it is likely what you said, not saving your changes (which I wish we could have the option to have it that way or not).
FYI, Super NT OT. :) https://www.resetera.com/threads/super-nt-｜ot｜-a-true-1080p-fpga-super-nintendo-galore.28923/

Beer Monkey · Apr 20, 2018

ThorHammerstein said:
Every WEGA I've seen is like that: 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
If you are experiencing that, it is likely what you said, not saving your changes (which I wish we could have the option to have it that way or not).
FYI, Super NT OT. :) https://www.resetera.com/threads/super-nt-｜ot｜-a-true-1080p-fpga-super-nintendo-galore.28923/

Every Wega I've ever seen that takes 720p converts it to 1080i.

TheDeep1974 · May 1, 2018

Today I've played a big Super Genjin 2 and have noticed that scrolling is not smooth in this game. I have no such issues with other titles. I guess the game does not run at 60hz?

ThorHammerstein · May 1, 2018

I presume your TV and SNT are set and saved to 60Hz. ;)
IIRC, it wasn't a very smooth scrolling game to begin with but I'll try to find my cart for it and see.

F34R · May 1, 2018

Everblue said:
Today I've played a big Super Genjin 2 and have noticed that scrolling is not smooth in this game. I have no such issues with other titles. I guess the game does not run at 60hz?

Which part isn't looking proper for you? I just played it on my PVM crt via original SNES and on a lcd monitor via SNT, and it looks fine for me.

dadjumper · May 6, 2018

I have a 1chip Super Famicom, an SD2SNES and an OSSC.
I basically just bought the OSSC to play SFC games, but I've since bought an AES and am waiting for the NeoSDPro to come out.
I also had to buy an oldish 1200p PC monitor so I could get 5x out of the OSSC, because my TV won't do anything above 2x generic.

So, my question is this: should I sell all this shit (apart from the SD2SNES) and get a Super NT? Is the video quality good enough? I really like sharp pixels and scanlines, so I'd definitely be running it at 720p to use those. Any opinions? I've skimmed a chunk of this thread but I haven't really seen that many good screenshots of scanlines.

For the record, I'm half considering selling my Neo Geo anyway because the SD Pro might be too expensive for me. I also want to save some space because I live in a tiny apartment, and having SNES games on my TV along with everything else would streamline things.
Any help? Links to comparisons or pics? I've watched a couple of videos but full res screenshots would be better..

Edit: Oh, also any opinions on latency, especially with that 8bitdo controller? I'm pretty interested in a wireless solution.

bigbluefrontend · May 6, 2018

Everblue said:
Today I've played a big Super Genjin 2 and have noticed that scrolling is not smooth in this game. I have no such issues with other titles. I guess the game does not run at 60hz?

Some SNES games don't have smooth scrolling even on original hardware. Even Super Mario World, for example, has shitty, choppy scrolling. Was always like that.

F34R · May 6, 2018

dadjumper said:
I have a 1chip Super Famicom, an SD2SNES and an OSSC.
I basically just bought the OSSC to play SFC games, but I've since bought an AES and am waiting for the NeoSDPro to come out.
I also had to buy an oldish 1200p PC monitor so I could get 5x out of the OSSC, because my TV won't do anything above 2x generic.

So, my question is this: should I sell all this shit (apart from the SD2SNES) and get a Super NT? Is the video quality good enough? I really like sharp pixels and scanlines, so I'd definitely be running it at 720p to use those. Any opinions? I've skimmed a chunk of this thread but I haven't really seen that many good screenshots of scanlines.

For the record, I'm half considering selling my Neo Geo anyway because the SD Pro might be too expensive for me. I also want to save some space because I live in a tiny apartment, and having SNES games on my TV along with everything else would streamline things.
Any help? Links to comparisons or pics? I've watched a couple of videos but full res screenshots would be better..

Edit: Oh, also any opinions on latency, especially with that 8bitdo controller? I'm pretty interested in a wireless solution.

The video quality is great. This is a direct capture playing Super Mario Bros. on the Super NT, 1080p@60fps. No scanlines on this one.

I can't really compare it to the original paired with OSSC though. I play my original SNES on CRT's. Nothing HD can replace that for me lol.

I wouldn't outright sell anything just yet; unless it's the way to fund the Super NT of course.

evrythngwastakn · May 8, 2018

Just FYI that these are back for pre order again!

The black one is available for immediate delivery whereas the SFC and SNES colours don't seem to have a date. The transparent has been discontinued! (Kinda regretting not getting it...)

With the new jailbreaking allowing roms, dumping of games and saves and more, the Super NT is dope as shit.

https://www.analogue.co/pages/store/

Aeana · May 8, 2018

Wow, September for the other colors, that's weird.

SoH · May 8, 2018

Hope that means they plan to commit to a fairly sizable run so people will be able to get whichever they like for a good amount of time considering the whole missing out remorse on the nt mini. You know the moment one shell sells out the thread is going to be flooded with "AW MAN! I just heard about this, how is my favorite not available!!"

edit: just noticed the transparent has been discontinued. Enjoy your limited edition to anyone who picked that one up, I guess!

Aeana · May 8, 2018

Grabbed one as a gift for a friend, but too bad it won't be available until September. Still, this is probably the last chance ever for these.

Zerokku · May 8, 2018

Super tempted by the Nt. The thing is I already have a RGB Modded SNES + Framemeister combo. Is this thing still worth it at all given my existing setup or am I just being tempted by shiny new things?

Edit: I should say it'd probably replace my current set-up if I got it since I already just the framemeister to hook up to an HDTV, I'm not one of the PVM folks when it comes to RGB.

nogoodnamesleft · May 8, 2018

Zerokku said:
Super tempted by the Nt. The thing is I already have a RGB Modded SNES + Framemeister combo. Is this thing still worth it at all given my existing setup or am I just being tempted by shiny new things?

Edit: I should say it'd probably replace my current set-up if I got it since I already just the framemeister to hook up to an HDTV, I'm not one of the PVM folks when it comes to RGB.

Same boat as you but I bit the bullet on one now. I'm not a fan of how the NT is not 100% accurate with colors but I bought one with the chance they break it wide open like the NT mini.

Metallix87 · May 8, 2018

I'm in. I really wanted one before, not missing what might be my last chance. Went for the classic grey and purple.

Omegasquash · May 8, 2018

Aeana said:
Grabbed one as a gift for a friend, but too bad it won't be available until September. Still, this is probably the last chance ever for these.

Have the indicated that they won't make any more? I continue to hold out hope that an NT Mini run will be made in the future, but hearing this gives me fear that I'll have to go the eBay route.

Jockel · May 8, 2018

It's nicer and more convenient than hooking up the SFC to the Framemeister, so it effectively replaced that setup for me. Still using the FM for other systems, though. But it's nice to just switch it on and have it instantly working with no hassle at all.
Rarely even hook it up to the BVM now, it's just so convenient.

SoH · May 8, 2018

Anyone who has put in an order today what are the first two digits of your order number for those of us curious to do rudimentary sales tracking?

dadjumper · May 8, 2018

Welp, guess I'm gonna preorder. Wasn't expecting them to be up so soon.

evrythngwastakn · May 8, 2018

Metallix87 said:
I'm in. I really wanted one before, not missing what might be my last chance. Went for the classic grey and purple.

It's super nice. The purple is perfect. Looks equally cool to have the LED shine purple too. I finally saw a black one in person and was pretty impressed as well. Looks sleek in the right setup.

Hero_of_the_Day · May 8, 2018

Zerokku said:
Super tempted by the Nt. The thing is I already have a RGB Modded SNES + Framemeister combo. Is this thing still worth it at all given my existing setup or am I just being tempted by shiny new things?

Edit: I should say it'd probably replace my current set-up if I got it since I already just the framemeister to hook up to an HDTV, I'm not one of the PVM folks when it comes to RGB.

I ditched my Framemeister setup for one. So much better. Just less of a hassle and no black screen on resolution changes.

superNESjoe · May 18, 2018

Has there been any word on additional cores through custom firmware yet?

Hero_of_the_Day · May 18, 2018

Nothing. I expect if they happen, they will just appear out of nowhere one day.

Far as I know, they still haven't redone scanlines like they said they would. Things have gone pretty quiet on updates, it seems.

Sword Familiar · May 18, 2018

Got mine a few days ago. Haven't tried it yet, but looking forward to seeing how it performs.

coughlanio · May 21, 2018

Half considering sticking my Nt Mini on eBay. It's been sitting in the box since I got my Super Nt, as I've always been more of a SNES guy.

Beer Monkey · May 21, 2018

Hero_of_the_Day said:
Nothing. I expect if they happen, they will just appear out of nowhere one day.

Far as I know, they still haven't redone scanlines like they said they would. Things have gone pretty quiet on updates, it seems.

Kevtris has been really busy and suffered some illness recently. Updates are forthcoming, no timetable.

RavenholmDX said:
Half considering sticking my Nt Mini on eBay. It's been sitting in the box since I got my Super Nt, as I've always been more of a SNES guy.

I sold mine for a crazy high price to an old collector I know. Would like to buy another if they make them available again (or not, if the custom cores come to the Super NT, which feels likely), but I had a bad tax year and the money offered was just way too high.

MajorBritten · Jun 28, 2018

Do they charge when they deliver or as soon as you place the order? Thinking of getting the super famicom design that ships in September but if they charge now then I will wait nearer the time they have stock.

querulous · Jun 28, 2018

MajorBritten said:
Do they charge when they deliver or as soon as you place the order? Thinking of getting the super famicom design that ships in September but if they charge now then I will wait nearer the time they have stock.

They charge when you place the order.

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