Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now

FinKL · May 18, 2018

Anyone watch Black Panther in 4k/HDR? The opening apartment scene and jungle scene are super dark for me that I can barely make out details. I calibrated based on rtings HDR settings, but I obviously can't crank up the brightness because it's already maxed and local dimming/X-Tend dynamic range set to high on a 900E. Maybe it's just the limitation for a mid end TV that the dark scenes cant get very bright?

If I were to view it in a dark room, it wouldn't be a problem, but man in a bright room definitely hard to make out details. When guns fire though, it's a spectacle though.

GearDraxon · May 18, 2018

FinKL said:
Anyone watch Black Panther in 4k/HDR? The opening apartment scene and jungle scene are super dark for me that I can barely make out details. I calibrated based on rtings HDR settings, but I obviously can't crank up the brightness because it's already maxed and local dimming/X-Tend dynamic range set to high on a 900E. Maybe it's just the limitation for a mid end TV that the dark scenes cant get very bright?

If I were to view it in a dark room, it wouldn't be a problem, but man in a bright room definitely hard to make out details. When guns fire though, it's a spectacle though.

That jungle scene was, at least in my local theatre that typically has a pretty good picture, exactly as you describe: dark enough to feel "wrong" while the rest of the movie looked just fine. I'm leaning towards "it was just shot that way."

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

GearDraxon said:
That jungle scene was, at least in my local theatre that typically has a pretty good picture, exactly as you describe: dark enough to feel "wrong" while the rest of the movie looked just fine. I'm leaning towards "it was just shot that way."

Movie wasn't called "Dark Grey Panther"

Turds.

FinKL · May 18, 2018

GearDraxon said:
That jungle scene was, at least in my local theatre that typically has a pretty good picture, exactly as you describe: dark enough to feel "wrong" while the rest of the movie looked just fine. I'm leaning towards "it was just shot that way."

Thank you for that! That's exactly what I was thinking. It's a dark ass jungle with no lights, hard to shoot that/it was directed that way. It also brings out the muzzle flashes when it's that dark which is cool.

RedlineRonin said:
Movie wasn't called "Dark Grey Panther"

Turds.

Lol, if you put in the 1080p blu ray, I guarantee you that's what the scene looks like. Dark grey, like they cranked the brightness slider up. I had to check to make sure I wasn't crazy. You can tell what's going on and make out face details, but everything is whitish

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

FinKL said:
Lol, if you put in the 1080p blu ray, I guarantee you that's what the scene looks like. Dark grey, like they cranked the brightness slider up. I had to check to make sure I wasn't crazy.

I wonder if the DV version looks better.

It theoretically should.

thuway · May 18, 2018

FinKL said:
Anyone watch Black Panther in 4k/HDR? The opening apartment scene and jungle scene are super dark for me that I can barely make out details. I calibrated based on rtings HDR settings, but I obviously can't crank up the brightness because it's already maxed and local dimming/X-Tend dynamic range set to high on a 900E. Maybe it's just the limitation for a mid end TV that the dark scenes cant get very bright?

If I were to view it in a dark room, it wouldn't be a problem, but man in a bright room definitely hard to make out details. When guns fire though, it's a spectacle though.

It honestly looked amazing on my LG Oled and i consider it reference quality.

castaction · May 18, 2018

I just got a 900e do i put game mode or custom mode?

MorshuTheTrader · May 18, 2018

I think I'm going to be picking up a B7 within in the next week. This year doesn't look like a huge upgrade and I can pick one up for relatively cheap right now.

I'll be upgrading from my TCL p607 (I'll be selling it) that I got last year. While I admit it was good for the price, it always felt like a compromise. The dirty screen effect is pretty bad on mine, and I could never dial in the colors. I tried all sorts of settings, but it always either looked too dull or way too over saturated and I could never get it to look quite right.

Excited to get on the OLED train. Before I pick it up, is there any consensus on some good settings to start with besides rtings settings?

Chamber · May 18, 2018

thuway said:
It honestly looked amazing on my LG Oled and i consider it reference quality.

Yeah, same. Certain UHD Blu-Ray's dont play well on low and mid-range displays without proper tonemapping and/or poor peak brightness. Hate to sound like a snob but you really need a 940E, Z9D, or OLED caliber display to get the best out of the format. It's why I tend to ignore UHD Blu-Ray reviews.

Galahad said:
Excited to get on the OLED train. Before I pick it up, is there any consensus on some good settings to start with besides rtings settings?

There's no need to copy settings from rtings. The built in ISF Bright Room/Dark Room or Technicolor Expert presets are all you need.

Deleted member 14649 · May 18, 2018

Chamber said:
There's no need to copy settings from rtings. The built in ISF Bright Room/Dark Room or Technicolor Expert presets are all you need.

This. Don't copy settings from any website, especially those tweaking 20-point settings! You will do more harm than good. Out of the box settings will be more accurate.

FinKL · May 18, 2018

Chamber said:
Yeah, same. Certain UHD Blu-Ray's dont play well on low and mid-range displays without proper tonemapping and/or poor peak brightness. Hate to sound like a snob but you really need a 940E, Z9D, or OLED caliber display to get the best out of the format. It's why I tend to ignore UHD Blu-Ray reviews.

Fair enough, I'm aware of the limitations, but wanted to double check what some others were seeing. I was watching in a very bright environment with the sun light blaring through the blinds as well so I'll try again to watch it in the dark.

I'll play around with the settings too, as I know I can't help the peak brightness

castaction said:
I just got a 900e do i put game mode or custom mode?

I have this TV, most important thing is turning on Enhanced HDR
HDMI to enhanced (under Home>Settings>External Inputs)
It will let you know only HDMI 2 & 3 are HDR compatible

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

Galahad said:
Excited to get on the OLED train. Before I pick it up, is there any consensus on some good settings to start with besides rtings settings?

Chamber said:
There's no need to copy settings from rtings. The built in ISF Bright Room/Dark Room or Technicolor Expert presets are all you need.

holygeesus said:
This. Don't copy settings from any website, especially those tweaking 20-point settings! You will do more harm than good. Out of the box settings will be more accurate.

I used the ones from AVF on my C7 and have been really happy overall (and agree on screwing with 2 or 20 pt white balance. Don't bother). Try a couple different ones and see what you like more. I also didn't care much for the rtings settings at all on my set.

Deleted member 14649 · May 18, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
I used the ones from AVF on my C7 and have been really happy overall (and agree on screwing with 2 or 20 pt white balance. Don't bother). Try a couple different ones and see what you like more. I also didn't care much for the rtings settings at all on my set.

Yeah the AVF ones are decent on my B6 too as they largely only tweak the colour balance slightly. Just turn off all the dynamic contrast, noise reductions et al and you will be golden.

peppermints · May 18, 2018

I suspect that I'll be satisfied with factory settings once I get my B7. Should be here week! Can't wait.

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

holygeesus said:
Yeah the AVF ones are decent on my B6 too as they largely only tweak the colour balance slightly. Just turn off all the dynamic contrast, noise reductions et al and you will be golden.

Yep, I came off a professionally calibrated plasma and generally appreciate accuracy over unnecessary brightness/color pumping and the AVF ones look very close to my plasma to my eyes from an accuracy/color perspective (except for the obvious, intrinsic increase in brightness that OLED/HDR offers over a plasma TV)

E: Link for those that care...

https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-oled55b7v-best-tv-picture-settings.2106641/

dsk1210 · May 18, 2018

FinKL said:
Fair enough, I'm aware of the limitations, but wanted to double check what some others were seeing. I was watching in a very bright environment with the sun light blaring through the blinds as well so I'll try again to watch it in the dark.

I'll play around with the settings too, as I know I can't help the peak brightness

I have this TV, most important thing is turning on Enhanced HDR
HDMI to enhanced (under Home>Settings>External Inputs)
It will let you know only HDMI 2 & 3 are HDR compatible

Never change the brightness, if you are getting grey blacks use the black level adjustment, the rest is pretty much up to your preference.

henhowc · May 18, 2018

Chamber said:
Yeah, same. Certain UHD Blu-Ray's dont play well on low and mid-range displays without proper tonemapping and/or poor peak brightness. Hate to sound like a snob but you really need a 940E, Z9D, or OLED caliber display to get the best out of the format. It's why I tend to ignore UHD Blu-Ray reviews.

There's no need to copy settings from rtings. The built in ISF Bright Room/Dark Room or Technicolor Expert presets are all you need.

Yep I literally just toggle between those three depending on the time of day with the only difference I adjusted being oled light. Basically making a dark, medium, and bright room setting. Although I've kind of been waffling between 2.2 and BT and dejudder on/off

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...m_re=Acer_Predator_X27-_-24-011-229-_-Product

My god. That price.

Comes with flaps on the side too for when the Hz get too high and you just need to slow down a bit.

Really hope this isn't the NV/G Sync strategy for the HDMI 2.1 world. If this is any indication of pricing on BFG displays, they're going to be very disappointed

Bumrush · May 18, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...m_re=Acer_Predator_X27-_-24-011-229-_-Product

My god. That price.

Comes with flaps on the side too for when the Hz get too high and you just need to slow down a bit.

Really hope this isn't the NV/G Sync strategy for the HDMI 2.1 world. If this is any indication of pricing on BFG displays, they're going to be very disappointed

27". Double the size and get an OLED for far less. I know they don't target the same exact markets but...how many people are going to buy these things at that price?

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

Bumrush said:
27". Double the size and get an OLED for far less. I know they don't target the same exact markets but...how many people are going to buy these things at that price?

Not many, but based on a rough guess of raw materials cost and the size of that screen, they've definitely got decent margins baked into those monitors.

Just like the Titan XP being $1,500 or w/e, there's always a market out there, even if it's pretty small.

Bumrush · May 18, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
Not many, but based on a rough guess of raw materials cost and the size of that screen, they've definitely got decent margins baked into those monitors.

Just like the Titan XP being $1,500 or w/e, there's always a market out there, even if it's pretty small.

Yeah I guess, it's just crazy that the first product of its kind is also 100% geared towards the enthusiast market (or maybe it's not crazy since this stuff happens all the time)

Me_Marcadet · May 18, 2018

Tamerlane said:
Fuck. Just got the replacement for my C8 and it's worse in terms of uniformity. There's a large black patch on the left side of the screen.

Wait a few more compensation cycles, those dark patches will disappear. The banding will improve a little after some cycles, but the dark blotches on the side will always dissappear.

RedlineRonin · May 18, 2018

Bumrush said:
Yeah I guess, it's just crazy that the first product of its kind is also 100% geared towards the enthusiast market (or maybe it's not crazy since this stuff happens all the time)

Yeah I don't think it's that crazy.

Hope that panel is pretty much perfect or there will be endless complaining.

Tamerlane · May 18, 2018

Me_Marcadet said:
Wait a few more compensation cycles, those dark patches will disappear. The banding will improve a little after some cycles, but the dark blotches on the side will always dissappear.

Ran a manual cycle and now the blotch looks much better. Overall seems like the banding is way less noticeable compared to the previous panel and if the blotch fades as you say than this panel is a keeper!

jstevenson · May 18, 2018

FinKL said:
Anyone watch Black Panther in 4k/HDR? The opening apartment scene and jungle scene are super dark for me that I can barely make out details. I calibrated based on rtings HDR settings, but I obviously can't crank up the brightness because it's already maxed and local dimming/X-Tend dynamic range set to high on a 900E. Maybe it's just the limitation for a mid end TV that the dark scenes cant get very bright?

If I were to view it in a dark room, it wouldn't be a problem, but man in a bright room definitely hard to make out details. When guns fire though, it's a spectacle though.

it's just shot that way

MrBob · May 18, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...m_re=Acer_Predator_X27-_-24-011-229-_-Product

My god. That price.

Comes with flaps on the side too for when the Hz get too high and you just need to slow down a bit.

Really hope this isn't the NV/G Sync strategy for the HDMI 2.1 world. If this is any indication of pricing on BFG displays, they're going to be very disappointed

RIP PC gaming hdr.

Me_Marcadet · May 18, 2018

Tamerlane said:
Ran a manual cycle and now the blotch looks much better. Overall seems like the banding is way less noticeable compared to the previous panel and if the blotch fades as you say than this panel is a keeper!

You don't need and avoid doing manual cycles. Just use your TV and let the automatic cycles do their work.

The manual compensation cycle should be used in case of burn in only.
Glad that your new panel is better. Mine was plagued with vignetting when I got it and it's all gone after a few months. Banding is still the same though.

Kadey · May 18, 2018

Is there a good chance of a sale on the recent models anytime before end of July? I don't think I can wait longer than that. Right now it's between X900F, B7/C7, C8 or 617. Basically just using it for PS4 Pro in my PC room. I usually turn the lights off at night.

DangerMouse · May 19, 2018

Chamber said:
OLED in a dark room is just unbelievable, picture looks like it's just floating there.

This.

piratepwnsninja · May 19, 2018

Got my B7A set up today. Boy it looks really great. What 4k movies are must haves? Only using my XBX for a player right now.

Chumley · May 19, 2018

RedlineRonin said:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...m_re=Acer_Predator_X27-_-24-011-229-_-Product

My god. That price.

Comes with flaps on the side too for when the Hz get too high and you just need to slow down a bit.

Really hope this isn't the NV/G Sync strategy for the HDMI 2.1 world. If this is any indication of pricing on BFG displays, they're going to be very disappointed

In a few years pc hdr will be affordable. New tech is always like this at first.

Ashhong · May 19, 2018

FinKL said:
Anyone watch Black Panther in 4k/HDR? The opening apartment scene and jungle scene are super dark for me that I can barely make out details. I calibrated based on rtings HDR settings, but I obviously can't crank up the brightness because it's already maxed and local dimming/X-Tend dynamic range set to high on a 900E. Maybe it's just the limitation for a mid end TV that the dark scenes cant get very bright?

If I were to view it in a dark room, it wouldn't be a problem, but man in a bright room definitely hard to make out details. When guns fire though, it's a spectacle though.

Man I was watching this on Vudu last night and thought the same thing. I couldn't even watch it anymore because it was bothering me so much. Glad to see I'm not alone, I thought my settings sucked

Deleted member 15632 · May 19, 2018

Not sure if this is the right thread but I'm looking for a 27-32 inch screen I can enjoy the best of PS4 Pro so either with HDR and 4K.

Bit confused with choices and don't want to break the bank since it's just for my PlayStation.

Manac0r · May 19, 2018

piratepwnsninja said:
Got my B7A set up today. Boy it looks really great. What 4k movies are must haves? Only using my XBX for a player right now.

Guardian of Galaxy 2 - watched it last night. It has spectral lightning and the end scene just makes that OLED pop.

Setzer · May 19, 2018

I have a bit of a dilemma and was hoping to get some input from fellow gamers who already own an OLED. So, my 65" KS8000 developed an issue a couple weeks ago and Costco isn't going to repair it and told me I could return it and exchange it for something else. The 2018 LG OLED models are out of my price range, at least the 65" model. I could afford the 55" model but I really don't want to downgrade in size. My local Costco warehouse still sells the B7's and they have the 65" which is still within my price range after doing the return. The thing is, I've heard the 2018 models are better for gaming than the 2017 which I do a quite a bit of. I'm just wondering if maybe now is not the time to make the jump to OLED and get something like the new Vizio P quantum series. I only have 2 weeks to do the exchange otherwise I would have probably held off to see if the 2018 OLEDs came down in price. If you were in my shoes would you go for the 2017 B7?

dsk1210 · May 19, 2018

Setzer said:
I have a bit of a dilemma and was hoping to get some input from fellow gamers who already own an OLED. So, my 65" KS8000 developed an issue a couple weeks ago and Costco isn't going to repair it and told me I could return it and exchange it for something else. The 2018 LG OLED models are out of my price range, at least the 65" model. I could afford the 55" model but I really don't want to downgrade in size. My local Costco warehouse still sells the B7's and they have the 65" which is still within my price range after doing the return. The thing is, I've heard the 2018 models are better for gaming than the 2017 which I do a quite a bit of. I'm just wondering if maybe now is not the time to make the jump to OLED and get something like the new Vizio P quantum series. I only have 2 weeks to do the exchange otherwise I would have probably held off to see if the 2018 OLEDs came down in price. If you were in my shoes would you go for the 2017 B7?

I would personally go for the 65" B7.

Great for gaming.

Deleted member 14649 · May 19, 2018

Definitely get the B7 unless you want to wait 9-12 months for the 8-range to drop in price.

DOTDASHDOT · May 19, 2018

B7 B7 B7 :)

Manac0r · May 19, 2018

DO IT!

B7 BTW

RedlineRonin · May 19, 2018

Chumley said:
In a few years pc hdr will be affordable. New tech is always like this at first.

You're right(ish)

The price will decrease but the value disparity will likely still exist (maybe not quite to the same extent).

The way LG continues to ramp production on OLEDs, we will absolutely see them start to creep towards 65" that are $1500 or less for a base
model. So, while that monitor might get cheaper, the value impression of paying way more for a way smaller screen will likely continue to exist

piratepwnsninja said:
Got my B7A set up today. Boy it looks really great. What 4k movies are must haves? Only using my XBX for a player right now.

There's a list in the OP, but a few recent additions that aren't in there likely include saving private Ryan (4K DI), The Matrix which is out on the 22nd (4K DI) and I personally thought all the color in Black Panther looked great as well (but I watched in DV. You prolly still get 98% of the experience in HDR10). That's also a 4K DI I believe

Manac0r · May 19, 2018

So any one with clarification on using YCC 4:2:2 on LG C7?

RedlineRonin · May 19, 2018

Manac0r said:
So any one with clarification on using YCC 4:2:2 on LG C7?

Are you asking if you can use it?

MazeHaze · May 19, 2018

Setzer said:
I have a bit of a dilemma and was hoping to get some input from fellow gamers who already own an OLED. So, my 65" KS8000 developed an issue a couple weeks ago and Costco isn't going to repair it and told me I could return it and exchange it for something else. The 2018 LG OLED models are out of my price range, at least the 65" model. I could afford the 55" model but I really don't want to downgrade in size. My local Costco warehouse still sells the B7's and they have the 65" which is still within my price range after doing the return. The thing is, I've heard the 2018 models are better for gaming than the 2017 which I do a quite a bit of. I'm just wondering if maybe now is not the time to make the jump to OLED and get something like the new Vizio P quantum series. I only have 2 weeks to do the exchange otherwise I would have probably held off to see if the 2018 OLEDs came down in price. If you were in my shoes would you go for the 2017 B7?

Dude, do itit f sure. I went from a KS8000 to a B7 in september and it's a pretty huge step up. It'a better for gaming than the KS8000, better for movies, better for Netflix. Literally better in every way. And I personally think the KS8000 looks great, but I'm still blown away by the OLED all the time.

Samaritan · May 19, 2018

piratepwnsninja said:
Got my B7A set up today. Boy it looks really great. What 4k movies are must haves? Only using my XBX for a player right now.

Guardians Vol. 2 has been the most impressive use of HDR I've seen in a film. Planet Earth 2 is also, of course, phenomenal, but obviously not a movie. John Wick 2 is also just a spectacular looking movie in HDR and paired with the B7's perfect blacks.

w00tmanUK · May 19, 2018

I know this is not the thread for this, but cant find a better alternative.

I've got my rig set up - Oled C7, QAcoustics M4 soundbar and PS4 Pro. I'm looking for a really good paid of headphones that I can use with the PS4 for those late-night gaming sessions as the QAcoustics is very loud.

Money *is* an object, but I have a budget of about £250 for a really decent pair of headphones - any suggestions or better places to ask? I had some AKGs previously but they've broken now, sadly.

OnagaTheDragon · May 19, 2018

Manac0r said:
So any one with clarification on using YCC 4:2:2 on LG C7?

Always on, in both XB1X and PS4 PRO(default setting) this will ensure proper color space as HDR works best in YCC 4:2:2 due to hdmi 2.0 limitations, just remeber to select the proper black level both in consoles in tv ( Limited range - balck level low)

Setzer · May 19, 2018

dsk1210 said:
I would personally go for the 65" B7.

Great for gaming.

holygeesus said:
Definitely get the B7 unless you want to wait 9-12 months for the 8-range to drop in price.

DOTDASHDOT said:
B7 B7 B7 :)

Manac0r said:
DO IT!

B7 BTW

MazeHaze said:
Dude, do itit f sure. I went from a KS8000 to a B7 in september and it's a pretty huge step up. It'a better for gaming than the KS8000, better for movies, better for Netflix. Literally better in every way. And I personally think the KS8000 looks great, but I'm still blown away by the OLED all the time.

Thanks all for your input. Was a little hesitant about buying last year's model but I think I'm gonna go for it.

Phunkydiabetic · May 19, 2018

Tamerlane said:
Fuck. Just got the replacement for my C8 and it's worse in terms of uniformity. There's a large black patch on the left side of the screen.

Wtf. What is up with LG's quality control? For a TV costing what the C8 does this shit is ridiculous. Should we just assume this is just inherent to the technology?

w00tmanUK · May 19, 2018

Phunkydiabetic said:
Wtf. What is up with LG's quality control? For a TV costing what the C8 does this shit is ridiculous. Should we just assume this is just inherent to the technology?

It's mass-made technology so to some degree it's always going to be a bit of a factor. That said, the stuff shown in that picture will clear up once the compensation cycle is ran a few times.

Hand-picked panels are exorbitantly-expensive - something like the Loewe bild 7, which is about 2-3 times the price of the equivalent LG model

Phunkydiabetic · May 19, 2018

w00tmanUK said:
It's mass-made technology so to some degree it's always going to be a bit of a factor. That said, the stuff shown in that picture will clear up once the compensation cycle is ran a few times.

Hand-picked panels are exorbitantly-expensive - something like the Loewe bild 7, which is about 2-3 times the price of the equivalent LG model

Yeah I know about mass made tech, it just seems like these LG OLEDS have some glaring quality control issues. The variance in quality between panels is wild. It's the same thing with their P-OLED panels used in their phones, more specifically the Pixel 2 XL. It wasn't until my third one that the panel was good.

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