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Tophat Jones

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So I guess it doesn't account for RF being hard as hell to play in Fenway?

Also it's very unfair to take an average stat per position when Jackie Bradley Jr. is tanking the average league wide.

Heh


Edit: and that does seem like a much more flawed stat than I thought. Betts could easily play CF and suddenly he would lead the league by a mile? Weird.
 
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Piston

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This might be the best game the Red Sox have played all year. Price has pitched 8.0 shutout innings on 80 pitches with 8 strikeouts, JD and Xander have homered, and they have played good defense all game.

Mookie is also 3/3 with a BB, 3 steals, and 2 runs.
 

Windu

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Cubs Braves postponed. /booo
So I guess it doesn't account for RF being hard as hell to play in Fenway?

Also it's very unfair to take an average stat per position when Jackie Bradley Jr. is tanking the average league wide.

Heh


Edit: and that does seem like a much more flawed stat than I thought. Betts could easily play CF and suddenly he would lead the league by a mile? Weird.
I'm pretty sure the defensive metrics that go into WAR are park dependent, so they will take into account Fenway's RF. Although defensive metrics aren't too good and its best to have 3 yrs worth of data for them to be worth anything. Scouts and whatever statcast tracks is probably better for that stuff.

Also good resource on all things sabermetrics is Fangraphs Library.

https://www.fangraphs.com/library/misc/war/
 

iareharSon

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I can't get on board with this.

Yes, the last two years sucked, but having the patience to stick to the plan is paying off. The team's next core is arriving now. Are you not hyped for Meadows' debut tomorrow night?

I am hyped about Meadows, but I think it's disingenuous to classify Nutting's cheapness "as sticking to the plan." He wasted some solid teams by bargain hunting to fill holes, and I have zero confidence that we'll make the necessary moves to fill any hole we have at the trade deadline. Honestly, our off-season was completely saved by Colorado's idiotic move to DFA Dickerson.
 

YuriLowell

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So Price cuts out Fortnite and almost throws a complete game shutout.

Guess we can't call him Davy Tingle Fingers anymore.
 

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So I guess it doesn't account for RF being hard as hell to play in Fenway?

Also it's very unfair to take an average stat per position when Jackie Bradley Jr. is tanking the average league wide.

Heh


Edit: and that does seem like a much more flawed stat than I thought. Betts could easily play CF and suddenly he would lead the league by a mile? Weird.

If his defense was good, yes. If it was atrocious, probably not. It is also worth noting there are different types of WAR. fWAR, and bWAR are the ones most commonly used. Those stand for Fangraphs and Baseball Reference. They use slightly different metric to make their calculations. They don't give results that are exactly the same. For example:

fWAR as of today:
1. Mookie Betts, 3.2
2. Jose Ramirez, 3.1
3. Mike Trout, 2.8
3. Francisco Lindor, 2.8
5. Manny Machado, 2.4
5. Aaron Judge, 2.4

bWAR as of today:
1. Mike Trout, 3.5
2. Mookie Betts, 3.1
3. Francisco Lindor, 3.0
4. Jose Ramirez, 2.8
5. Andrelton Simmons, 2.3
5. Kevin Pillar, 2.3
5. Aaron Judge, 2.3

And Manny Macado has 2.2 bWAR. Usually you don't use these lists as absolutes, but to separate groups of players. So Mookie Betts, Jose Ramirez, Mike Trout, and Francisco Lindor all appear to be about on the same level. With perhaps Trout or Betts being standouts, depending on what you value more. Then you have the second standout group with Macahdo, Judge, Simmons... interestingly Pillar only has 1.5 fWAR, so I'm guessing bWAR puts a high emphasis on his fielding.
 
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Harper: If Mets don't improve dramatically, they would be foolish not to consider trading Jacob deGrom or Noah Syndergaard or both

And if so, will they have any choice but to contemplate trading one or both of their star pitchers, Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard, come July?

The idea of a Mets-Yankees trade has gotten a lot of talk-radio buzz the last couple of days, and for good reason considering that deGrom could help put the Yankees over the top while blue-chip prospects like Estevan Florial, Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield could give the Mets the young players they desperately need.

The Yankees might just do such a deal, but there's no chance the Mets would send deGrom to the Bronx to win championships. For one thing, they certainly could bring back a haul from a lot of other contenders for their ace.
 

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feline fury

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WTF the Cards have lost 7 players to injuries in the past 10 days

Time to test that depth with…uh, Steven Baron??
 

Baked Pigeon

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Holy crap, Alex Avila just hit a baseball. Like, a real hit in an actual baseball game....

Edit - gboard predictive text sucks on this website.
 

Windu

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The Nationals haven't played a full game since Sunday.

Monday: Day off
Tuesday: Suspended Game.
Wednesday: Game Postponed.
Thursday: Day off.
Friday: Game Postponed.
 

captive

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Baseball is weird. Springer hits a dinger that has a 8% hit probability, Bregman hits an infield dribbler that has a 12% hit probability, the altuve rips a ball to third that turns into a line drive double play.
 

Aquaman

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You know what, of course. I was fine with Braves losing this game because of the Marlins great pitching, but god dang it what the heck...

Stupid replay crap, it is bulllllll crap. Like, this isn't funny at all. Ugh disgusting
 

Windu

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My God replay is such horseshit.
Wasn't really clear safe or out. Most of the calls I have seen that have been reviewed I have not had a problem about so I don't know what everyone is getting angry about.

Maybe Chip and Joe are making things seem more clear cut than they are to the rest of the Braves audience.
 
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