hilarious, sad, console warriors, makes you think, etc, etc.You can also review unreleased PlayStation games.
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/god-of-war/cid=UP9000-CUSA07408_00-00000000GODOFWAR
hilarious, sad, console warriors, makes you think, etc, etc.You can also review unreleased PlayStation games.
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en-us/games/god-of-war/cid=UP9000-CUSA07408_00-00000000GODOFWAR
I do not see the connection you are making there. I don't think this incident is evidence that she "doesn't have the skill for her job." I do think her tweet was a mistake, and one of the reasons is that a person in her position commenting towards a reviewer in such a way can lead to harassment.I mentioned that because you said Ryan was getting shit on Twitter and Shannon is getting it here now.
In general? Yes, they can. Publicly pointing the finger at one specific reviewer with a tweet, telling them they shouldn't discourage people from buying a game? Not really.
So she wouldn't have given a shit if there were higher budget games releasing around this time? I'm not defending her comments here but her defensiveness is clearly coming from the poor reviews the game her studio produced is receiving, not the scope of the project or Xbox's 2017 lineup in general.I said that because I can't really imagine an exec going to bat for a game like Lucky's Tale if there was a wealth of high profile exclusives right now. The optics are not good.
Shannon Loftis doing this for a game like Quantum Break that had significant hype and investment? I could understand that at least. Lucky's Tale? Nahhhh.
The second part of your post wasn't really needed. It's not 'desperation' at all.
In general? Yes, they can. Publicly pointing the finger at one specific reviewer with a tweet, telling them they shouldn't discourage people from buying a game? Not really.
It's primarily a matter of being professional, let's put it that way.
It's inappropriate for someone in her position to go after an individual reviewer for stating their opinion. The amount of shit that was flung at Ryan afterwards is one of the reasons why that's the case.
Like a lot of people at Xbox, she seems like someone so ingrained into that culture and platform. Listening to the GB interview with Albert Penello put a lot of that into context for me. It's amazing he was saying how the Xbox One X has the most launch content ever for a console. They don't just spout the PR spin, they believe it.
I do not see the connection you are making there. I don't think this incident is evidence that she "doesn't have the skill for her job." I do think her tweet was a mistake, and one of the reasons is that a person in her position commenting towards a reviewer in such a way can lead to harassment.
That's not what Loftis said. She said Ryan "[doesn't] need to actively discourage people from playing the game." Which, well, he wasn't. Someone added him to a conversation, and he talked about the merit of using player scores, and reiterated his feelings on the game.She didn't "go after" him for stating his opinion. She didn't even criticize his review. She criticized him for taking the extra step of telling this guy that everyone else thinks the games sucks.
If anything, it is Ryan who is unable to accept criticism, as shown by his need to convince this guy that the game is bad just because he didn't like the review
Speaking of which is the title going to be fixed or deleted since it is not the actual quote?That's not what Loftis said. She said Ryan "[doesn't] need to actively discourage people from playing the game." Which, well, he wasn't. Someone added him to a conversation, and he talked about the merit of using player scores, and reiterated his feelings on the game.
But even if Ryan was doing what you claim, it doesn't matter. It's Ryan's job to talk about his opinions on games, and Loftis should not have spoken down to him in such a way, and certainly not publicly. That was, again, unprofessional.
Surely launch content with a console shouldn't just include games that you've defined as launch games. The launch games that were available for the X and Pro in terms of numbers are the games that were available to play on launch day rather than a curated list that is chosen specifically to enhance the reputation of the company that the person who curated it works for.Serious question. Most modern consoles launched with ~20 titles on day one. I'm not talking back-compat - I'm talking new titles that take advantage of the new platform. This can be re-masters, games that ship on past-gen and new gen, or new-gen exclusives. Quick search: X1 had 22. PS4 had 23, Pro had 30. Going back; 360 had 18 and PS3 had 14. Playstation 1 had 10.
We had over 50 Xbox One X Enhanced titles on launch day; 67 as of today.
When I check this list - I see nothing all the way back in the neighborhood of 50.
http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games
What am I missing?
Actively discouraging someone from playing the game is exactly what he did. You have this guy, who clearly wants to believe that the game is good despite having read Ryan's review. Ryan's response was not to elaborate on his opinion of the game but to pull out metacritic stats to show how bad the game is. That's not his opinion at all and doesn't serve any purpose other than to, as she said, actively discourage this fan from playing the game. Was it unprofessional of her? Yeah, probably, but so was going after a reader for calling IGN the worstThat's not what Loftis said. She said Ryan "[doesn't] need to actively discourage people from playing the game." Which, well, he wasn't. Someone added him to a conversation, and he talked about the merit of using player scores, and reiterated his feelings on the game.
But even if Ryan was doing what you claim, it doesn't matter. It's Ryan's job to talk about his opinions on games, and Loftis should not have spoken down to him in such a way, and certainly not publicly. That was, again, unprofessional.
lol, am i misreading or are you saying he curated that wikia link?The launch games that were available for the X and Pro in terms of numbers are the games that were available to play on launch day rather than a curated list that is chosen specifically to enhance the reputation of the company that the person who curated it works for.
Serious question. Most modern consoles launched with ~20 titles on day one. I'm not talking back-compat - I'm talking new titles that take advantage of the new platform. This can be re-masters, games that ship on past-gen and new gen, or new-gen exclusives. Quick search: X1 had 22. PS4 had 23, Pro had 30. Going back; 360 had 18 and PS3 had 14. Playstation 1 had 10.
We had over 50 Xbox One X Enhanced titles on launch day; 67 as of today.
When I check this list - I see nothing all the way back in the neighborhood of 50.
http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games
What am I missing?
No, I'm commenting on what I said.lol, am i misreading or are you saying he curated that wikia link?
He used meteoritic to show that his own option was not far outside the general critic consensus, and to illustrate why he feels user reviews are a flawed metric.Actively discouraging someone from playing the game is exactly what he did. You have this guy, who clearly wants to believe that the game is good despite having read Ryan's review. Ryan's response was not to elaborate on his opinion of the game but to pull out metacritic stats to show how bad the game is. That's not his opinion at all and doesn't serve any purpose other than to, as she said, actively discourage this fan from playing the game. Was it unprofessional of her? Yeah, probably, but so was going after a reader for calling IGN the worst
No, I'm commenting on what I said.
Him claiming that "enhanced" games for the Pro and X are the available launch games for a console is incorrect so for to compare them to actual launch releases is completely pointless, it means nothing.
That is exactly how I read it as well.Exactly.. since the PS4 pro and Xbox 1 X are still essentially PS4's and Xbox Ones, Im not even sure what Panello means. In fact, funnily enough, it read like spin..
That's the exact issue I have with that list, it's a carefully curated list that he's comparing to a uncurated lists for proper console launches.Exactly.. since the PS4 pro and Xbox 1 X are still essentially PS4's and Xbox Ones, Im not even sure what Panello means. In fact, funnily enough, it read like spin..
Interesting. In every console launch I have been a part of, the number of "launch titles" has always been a metric. As you know, I was doing a number of interviews prior to launch, and at the top of many lists of questions was "how many launch titles will you have that take advantage of the new console?" In fact, many people leading up to launch were suggesting that developers would not heavily support this console. So my assumption based on the number of questions I was getting was that the launch title metric was still important.
So - I did some research and realized that we were going to have more "launch titles" than any other console.
Now - if you were to count "playable titles" that honor would go to the PlayStation 3 by a wide margin, having the HW ability to play the PS1 and PS2 games would have put it in the thousands.
If I ever said we had more total titles to play, I misspoke. I think what we said was that we had more Launch Titles, which is quantifiably true, and I think I explained what I meant by that number on GB as well.
it's not incorrect in terms of launch content that takes advantage of the hardware you bought it for, which is an important metric, isn't it? i probably wouldn't compare it to 360/PS3 launch or anything like that, though.No, I'm commenting on what I said.
Him claiming that "enhanced" games for the Pro and X are the available launch games for a console is incorrect so for to compare them to actual launch releases is completely pointless, it means nothing.
literally says:Exactly.. since the PS4 pro and Xbox 1 X are still essentially PS4's and Xbox Ones, Im not even sure what Panello means. In fact, funnily enough, it read like spin..
I'm talking new titles that take advantage of the new platform. This can be re-masters, games that ship on past-gen and new gen, or new-gen exclusives.
I made that caveat above. Titles that take advantage of the new platform. I looked at how the industry talked about PS4 Pro, and they also talked about "launch games".
I used exactly the same historical definition used for any console, including PS4 Pro.
BTW I should not have hijacked this thread with a different point so I apologize.
Agreed.The Albert comment is very off topic. Enhanced games are not launch titles. The X1X and Pro are both just higher spec versions of their launch cousins but they are still just Xboxes Ones and PS4s, playing the entire library regardless of it being patched.
Both are new consoles but not a new generation.
For this point, I agree and I apologize.
For this point, I disagree since I watched the industry use the exact same term for the PS4 Pro launch.
Sony themselves talked about 30 launch titles. So if I say 50 launch titles, why am I spinning?
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/03/39-games-enhanced-for-ps4-pro-launch/
I'm really trying to understand how anything we said was spin, damage control or PR. We used the same terms.
I made that caveat above. Titles that take advantage of the new platform. I looked at how the industry talked about PS4 Pro, and they also talked about "launch games".
I used exactly the same historical definition used for any console, including PS4 Pro.
BTW I should not have hijacked this thread with a different point so I apologize.
Video game reviews (at least the majority of mainstream ones) are functionally consumer guides. Some outlets go so far as to use "buy," "sale" or "don't buy" scales instead of numerical scales.Actively discouraging someone from playing the game is exactly what he did. You have this guy, who clearly wants to believe that the game is good despite having read Ryan's review. Ryan's response was not to elaborate on his opinion of the game but to pull out metacritic stats to show how bad the game is. That's not his opinion at all and doesn't serve any purpose other than to, as she said, actively discourage this fan from playing the game. Was it unprofessional of her? Yeah, probably, but so was going after a reader for calling IGN the worst
https://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/11/03/39-games-enhanced-for-ps4-pro-launch/
I'm really trying to understand how anything we said was spin, damage control or PR. We used the same terms.
what's the difference between saying you have 40+ titles at launch and saying you have 40+ launch titles?"The following 40+ titles will be optimized for the new hardware on launch day. "
That doesn't say launch titles. Position of where words show in a sentence do matter.
The issues that I have with the post is that he's also comparing those numbers to launch title numbers of consoles like the N64, PlayStation, Dreamcast, etc, etc which are very different things. He can make that list any time that he wants to but as soon as he's comparing to lists about completely different to make his seem more impressive then the list has no meaning. He's just not comparing the same things.it's not incorrect in terms of launch content that takes advantage of the hardware you bought it for, which is an important metric, isn't it? i probably wouldn't compare it to 360/PS3 launch or anything like that, though.
literally says:
what's the difference between saying you have 40+ titles at launch and saying you have 40+ launch titles?
tell me what the first phrase means and then tell me what the second means.
I made that caveat above. Titles that take advantage of the new platform. I looked at how the industry talked about PS4 Pro, and they also talked about "launch games".
I used exactly the same historical definition used for any console, including PS4 Pro.
BTW I should not have hijacked this thread with a different point so I apologize.