Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh

It's best to think of the other Fitz as a Restore Point when you move Windows back to a earlier date. It is still the same PC, and OS, and you still have access to all the same stuff, it is just that the last month never happened

Fitz will probably work better than that stupid system too - hopefully

Egg0 said:

Graviton vs. Daisy gave me Man of Steel vibes. And weirdly enough, so did Graviton's suit.

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Quake really would fit in perfectly with The Avengers.

Keyser S said:

It's best to think of the other Fitz as a Restore Point when you move Windows back to a earlier date. It is still the same PC, and OS, and you still have access to all the same stuff, it is just that the last month never happened

Fitz will probably work better than that stupid system too - hopefully

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I guess Fitz has to get married again? Jemma gets to be a widow and then marry the guy that died.

The universe really does want them to be together.

Altazor said:

Iain deserves a major role on a quality movie, or at least a "prestige drama". The guy is THAT good.

Not that I want him to be off AoS... nope. Not after the season finale. Fuck it. I'm not crying, you're crying.

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he's in Overlord, at least

ZeoVGM said:

But it didn't confirm that, as CBR said. He could have blinked out of existence but he also said he was leaving the Lighthouse to go explore.

(And the producers have already confirmed that the actor will be back next season.)

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Yeah thats the only part I disagree with obv because I said even the writers didnt know when they were writing it.

I really hope that with a year gap we might get some more web episodes like Slingshot.

I WAS PROMISED DUSTING

...er, I mean, I'm glad that everyone technically survived.

I have no idea how they're gonna top this next season; there's only so many world-ending events you can tackle. Maybe they just take it easy and unravel the mystery of who's been mysteriously leaving lemons on people's beds.

DeathyBoy said:

Quake really would fit in perfectly with The Avengers.

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Cuburger said:

Well, Coulson ending up in Tahiti was something the showrunners wanted to do with Coulson as a conclusion to his story since season 1. This also wouldn't be the first time they've written and end to a main character's arc on the show and didn't have them come back (Ward, Bobbi, Hunter, Mike Peterson, Raina, Tripp, and now Talbot all come to mind).

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The only example you listed that works is Ward.

Bobbi and Hunter were written off to star in their own show, which then made it awkward to bring them back instantly -- and that was made more difficult by a smaller budget and the actress that played Bobbi signing onto a new show.

Mike, Raina, Tripp and Talbot have never been main characters. They're recurring. Kind of silly to compare Coulson to Mike or Tripp.

Coulson will be back as a main cast member in season 6.

We don't know the original question posed to Jeph Loeb, only his answer. The question could have been about how Coulson being alive and having still not told the Avengers is a dangling plot thread that they were wondering if there will be resolution to. In a case like that, Coulson dying would resolve that "in a very surprising way", maybe not in a satisfying way fans would hope but that loose end would be tied up with Coulson being dead again. That interview was before they knew if the show would be renewed, so unless they have a potential plan to bring him "back to life" in the films after being "killed" in the show (an interesting irony), I think that his death may have been that resolution.

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Loeb just says stuff. He seems like a nice guy but he kind of makes stuff up in his teases. He gave the same kind of answer in regards to Defenders and AoS crossing over in the past as well.

I can understand the rift between TV and movies but I'll never understand why no one from the Netflix shows has made even a guest appearance.

Claude Augario said:

I can understand the rift between TV and movies but I'll never understand why no one from the Netflix shows has made even a guest appearance.

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They already have enough trouble establishing the timelines in their own little world.

I feel like there's too much hangup on connecting AoS to everything. Sure, Marvel made their bed and they should sleep in it, but at this point, with fewer and fewer connections to the larger MCU, we should just enjoy it for what it is: a lower-budget TV show that taps into other comic storylines but otherwise operates independently from the other Marvel Studios properties.

I would prefer a Coulson-less S6, I may be on a lonely island in Tahiti on that one tho.

Lonestar said:

Graviton. Gravitron sounds like that faux Megatron in Transformers the Movie (the actual one, from the 80's)

I'll add, nicely done, VFX, not just how it looks, but continuity looks good. Both the flaming car and the dark color building match between the 2 camera angles.

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anyone got this whole clip where she kicks in the boosters?

And I didn't find this episode as emotional as everyone else, but Fitz really needs some award recognition for his acting. I was thinking about Iced Fitz the whole time, so the death scene didn't impact me quite as much. The moment between Daisy and Coulson was good too though.

And I know they'll find a way to keep Coulson around for the next season, and the one after that (on the Disney Streaming service) as well.

ZeoVGM said:

The only example you listed that works is Ward.

Bobbi and Hunter were written off to star in their own show, which then made it awkward to bring them back instantly -- and that was made more difficult by a smaller budget and the actress that played Bobbi signing onto a new show.

Mike, Raina, Tripp and Talbot have never been main characters. They're recurring. Kind of silly to compare Coulson to Mike or Tripp.

Coulson will be back as a main cast member in season 6.



Loeb just says stuff. He seems like a nice guy but he kind of makes stuff up in his teases. He gave the same kind of answer in regards to Defenders and AoS crossing over in the past as well.

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Sure, frequent recurring characters, not technically part of the main cast. Radcliffe and Lincoln were main cast though and they got killed off for good.

I'm sure once Most Wanted didn't get picked up, AoS could have decided they wanted to bring back Bobbi and Hunter as part of the next season before Palicki was scooped by by another show. Same with Hunter since we see him make a small cameo so whatever story reason he couldn't meet up with the team is a small obstacle.

Granted, Coulson is basically the main character of the show and he's not being written off because of business reasons or because Clark Gregg is quitting (that we know of) and instead because they were trying to wrap up a series that they believed was ending, so maybe they'll take it back. Then again...

TFW you're watching the Once upon a Time finale and you see ABC has the dusting VFX ready....

I think the fact that the writers made sure that Ftiz developed as a character a lot over the 12(ish) episodes since he was frozen made the death worthwhile, so the reset for S6 should/will be jarring. I I trust the writers to make it meaningful. Sure we still have a Fitz, but we did lose something, so it is okay been care about his loss, even knowing there is a way out.

BlackNMild2k1 said:

anyone got this whole clip where she kicks in the boosters?

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This whole Graviton vs Quake fight has me dreaming of another timeline where AoS got to maintain its series premiere's ratings of 12 million viewers or even grow those numbers and we had gotten the budget for insane fights like this more often. Maybe they even expanded Tuesdays to have a block of Marvel shows providing a wide variety of Marvel shows on the network with production values that feel comparable to the films.

Too bad we are in this timeline where ABC only wants spy shows or comedies from Marvel and just gave us the disaster known as the Inhumans. It's like they hope superheroes fail on the network so Disney/Marvel stops pressuring them to have Marvel shows there.

Magwik said:

They already have enough trouble establishing the timelines in their own little world.

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This. I love DD S1. But it literally feels like it takes place a year after Avengers at most. The Netflix shows don't even feel like they take place in real time. DD doesn't feel like he's been a vigilante for four odd years by Defenders. He feels like eighteen month tops.

2 things:

1. Why didn't the future know that Talbot was the actual destroyer of worlds when there are tons of eyewitnesses in Chicago?

2. While all of the VFX looks incredible, why does the frozen Graviton Talbot floating space look kinda...cheap? Almost feels like they had two flat layers, a space background and Talbot, and then did a quicj animation where Talbot spins? I'm not saying thats what Mark Kolpack and his amazing team did obviously, just looks silly a bit to me lol

did the budget get cut this year? Emotional and bittersweet finale but that fight between Daisy and Talbot was pathetic. She hit him like once then blasts him off to space. They should rename the show if Coulson doesn't return.

I can't remember why there's still a Fitz in space. I must have moved around pieces in my head, because going into the finale I thought frozen Fitz had flown through space to end up in the future timeline, and then he went back to present day with the team through the monolith. But I'm clearly not remembering stuff right.

I didn't feel this episode much either unfortunately. I loved how we got outdoor scenes, and some action, it has been a long time coming. But I wasn't too big on the dramatic speeches, and the effects and fights looked bad compared to earlier seasons. Also such a strange feeling seeing Coulson leave the team. I don't want Shield without him huhu.

When it comes to the seasons I guess I rank them this way:
1. Season 4 (by far)
2. Season 2
3. Season 5 (because of its writing, but it was really not that good a season. Major downgrade from S4)
4. Season 3 (I don't remember it well and will have to rewatch it, but it may or may not be better than S5. Graviton was a real nice villain though.)
5. Season 1

Pachimari said:

I can't remember why there's still a Fitz in space. I must have moved around pieces in my head, because going into the finale I thought frozen Fitz had flown through space to end up in the future timeline, and then he went back to present day with the team through the monolith. But I'm clearly not remembering stuff right.

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You remember correctly; that means Fitz is still floating in space in hibernation, because at the point in time the show ends he's still up there, waiting to wake up in the future.

I hope this means we also get to see Enoch again.

Wololo said:

did the budget get cut this year? Emotional and bittersweet finale but that fight between Daisy and Talbot was pathetic. She hit him like once then blasts him off to space. They should rename the show if Coulson doesn't return.

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Yes.

Pachimari said:

I can't remember why there's still a Fitz in space. I must have moved around pieces in my head, because going into the finale I thought frozen Fitz had flown through space to end up in the future timeline, and then he went back to present day with the team through the monolith. But I'm clearly not remembering stuff right.

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They returned to present day after Frozen Fitz had already gone to space, so he's still out there.

ZeoVGM said:

In the first half of the season, Hunter helps Fitz enter a cryogenic freeze. Enoch then brings him into space and they wait for 100 years for Fitz to awaken where the rest of the team is.

They then came back from the future and Fitz died. That means the Fitz who froze himself is still floating in space, waiting for the 100 years to pass. They're going to go find him.

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Fhtagn said:

You remember correctly; that means Fitz is still floating in space in hibernation, because at the point in time the show ends he's still up there, waiting to wake up in the future.

I hope this means we also get to see Enoch again.

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cartographer said:

They returned to present day after Frozen Fitz had already gone to space, so he's still out there.

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I can't wrap my head around this, and I'm getting annoyed at myself now lol.

Fitz slept a 100 years, woke up in the future and joined the team. They all travel back in time together through the monolith. If frozen Fitz traveled back to present day, why is he still out there floating in space?

Technically if they wake Fitz up before he rescues them, then Fitz can never get to a point in the timeline where helps the team and goes back to present with them, meaning by finding him early they cannot be ever recused, ang get to the point where they need to find him, and thus should never be able to find him, as there is no way for them to get back to the past without letting him live to the future.

!!TIME TRAVEL!!

Pachimari said:

I can't wrap my head around this, and I'm getting annoyed at myself now lol.

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Fitz slept from 2017 to 2090 (or whatever year it was). It's 2018 so he's still sleeping even though in 2090 he traveled back to 2018. Easier to understand?

Keyser S said:

Technically if they wake Fitz up before he rescues them, then Fitz can never get to a point in the timeline where helps the team and goes back to present with them, meaning by finding him early they cannot be ever recused, ang get to the point where they need to find him, and thus should never be able to find him, as there is no way for them to get back to the past without letting him live to the future.

!!TIME TRAVEL!!

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Insert Back to the Future 2 Doc Brown at the chalk board gif here. Simply, this is now 2018A not 2018.

Keyser S said:

Technically if they wake Fitz up before he rescues them, then Fitz can never get to a point in the timeline where helps the team and goes back to present with them, meaning by finding him early they cannot be ever recused, ang get to the point where they need to find him, and thus should never be able to find him, as there is no way for them to get back to the past without letting him live to the future.

!!TIME TRAVEL!!

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Not if you break the loop though, then there's nothing to fix. But yeah, time travel shenanigans.

Pachimari said:

I can't wrap my head around this, and I'm getting annoyed at myself now lol.

Fitz slept a 100 years, woke up in the future and joined the team. They all travel back in time together through the monolith. If frozen Fitz traveled back to present day, why is he still out there floating in space?

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Because in this timeline Frozen Fitz hasn't woken up yet and traveled back to the present day, he's just chilling in space. When Dead Fitz traveled back with the rest of the team, he didn't replace Frozen Fitz, there were just now two Fitzs.

Just like when the team other than Fitz originally traveled forward through time, they didn't replace their (long dead) old selves. That biological matter was present, as seen with Yo-Yo.

So Clark Gregg's contract is definitely up, huh? That sucks.

Pachimari said:

I can't wrap my head around this, and I'm getting annoyed at myself now lol.

Fitz slept a 100 years, woke up in the future and joined the team. They all travel back in time together through the monolith. If frozen Fitz traveled back to present day, why is he still out there floating in space?

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The rest of the team jumped to the future the "short way," by instant teleportation. Fitz had to sleep 100 years to go the the future "the long way", so right now he is still sleeping. Just because he woke up 100 year after he slept does not erase the fact that he slept.If you sleep at night, you've alway slept at night, just cause you woke up dose not mean you have not slept.

Fitz then existed in the future, and the whole team went back to the present "the short way" (teleportation), which means Fitz jumps back to a point where he already exists, as is in the process of sleeping 100 years to get the the future "the long way."

The unique way Fitz chose to reach the future combined with the normal way he returned to the present resulted in two Fitz existing in the current timeline. The is no way for Fitz to get to the future without sleeping. He has to sleep to get to the future, so he has to exist to get there.

Dalek said:

So Clark Gregg's contract is definitely up, huh? That sucks.

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He's coming back in season 6.

So, there's something I cannot reconcile.

When Daisy exits the jet after talking to Coulson, that is the point in time we see on the video that Deke shows her in the future - correct?

If so, I think we can infer from that that everything so far had followed the previous loop.

So...that would mean Coulson didn't take the serum in the previous loops.

Now I'm wondering what actually changed to break them out of the loop this time?

Keyser S said:

Technically if they wake Fitz up before he rescues them, then Fitz can never get to a point in the timeline where helps the team and goes back to present with them, meaning by finding him early they cannot be ever recused, ang get to the point where they need to find him, and thus should never be able to find him, as there is no way for them to get back to the past without letting him live to the future.

!!TIME TRAVEL!!

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Basically there's a timeline where everything went to shit and there's a timeline where everything didn't go to shit. They both exist. There's no erasing the timelines that occurred. So while they saved a timeline, they didn't actually prevent it from happening in the other timeline.

Mariolee said:

2 things:

1. Why didn't the future know that Talbot was the actual destroyer of worlds when there are tons of eyewitnesses in Chicago?

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wat.

He would have destroyed Chicago.

TheOMan said:

So...that would mean Coulson didn't take the serum in the previous loops.

Now I'm wondering what actually changed to break them out of the loop this time?

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It could've been exactly the same but instead of Coulson hiding it in the gauntlet he left it in the case that Jemma opened up trying to get it to save his life. Originally he left it there and Jemma saved his life with it, this time he hid it so Daisy would find it and use it on herself.

Fuzzy said:

It could've been exactly the same but instead of Coulson hiding it in the gauntlet he left it in the case that Jemma opened up trying to get it to save his life. Originally he left it there and Jemma saved his life with it, this time he hid it so Daisy would find it and use it on herself.

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Yes - but why?

TheOMan said:

Yes - but why?

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A butterfly flapped its wings differently because someone sneezed.

EDIT: Ok, real answer. We don't know that the loop they were in was exactly the same each time. It's possible that Future Yo-Yo said something slightly different each loop and that affected the words Yo-Yo used trying to change things. This time it was enough to change Phil leaving the cure behind.

The real question is if the world cracked apart then how did Robin know to draw May and Phil on the beach?

ZeoVGM said:

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He would have destroyed Chicago.

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You saying there ain't time to film this dude and send it online?

Robin said that something was different right before Yo-Yo restarted Coulsons' heart and Daisy took the centipede serum. So it could've been one of those things that broke the loop or Mack and her mom still being alive that broke it.

Egg0 said:

Robin said that something was different right before Yo-Yo restarted Coulsons' heart and Daisy took the centipede serum. So it could've been one of those things that broke the loop or Mack and her mom still being alive that broke it.

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She said it right after Jemma opened the case to reveal it was empty. That was the change.

Just started watching the beginning of the show once again. It just occurred to me that Skye at the beginning is basically Deke. And it's great.

May gave Coulson the option to choose how to use the serum, as opposed to the team choosing for him. As such I feel the change was the moment May asked Jemma to leave the room and she spoke to Coulson.

Mariolee said:

You saying there ain't time to film this dude and send it online?

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I suppose. But he blows up like 75% of the Earth. And Quake is already known to the public. And her power is earthquakes.

It makes sense that 100 years later, false history was spread about how it happened.

ZeoVGM said:

I suppose. But he blows up like 75% of the Earth. And Quake is already known to the public. And her power is earthquakes.

It makes sense that 100 years later, false history was spread about how it happened.

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Yeah I can suspend my disbelief for it.

I was certain that Fitz would be proven to be the one who wasn't invincible... but that didn't make it feel any better when it happened.

Just watched this and dammit Fitz I was in tears. I completely forgot about the Fitzcicle in space but man his death scene was fucking realistic.

So Daisy is now powered up permanently right?

Cuburger said:

Quake vs Talbot in a crater in the ground while by-standers watch?

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Now that the season is over, it'd be interesting to go back and look at all the drawings Robin made and see what they forshadowed.

HeySeuss said:

Just watched this and dammit Fitz I was in tears. I completely forgot about the Fitzcicle in space but man his death scene was fucking realistic.

So Daisy is now powered up permanently right?

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I believe she is, yeah.