Supernatural Season 13 |OT| Lucky Number 13. And We Gotta Keep Fiction Happy.

DarkHeartedKill · May 20, 2018

Septimus Prime said:
One thing I've never liked about this show (and lots of other shows, really) is that incredibly powerful beings will show up and just throw people around and/or use soft punches on the main characters, even though we've already seen them instantly kill things that are supposed to be stronger than the main characters previously.

Like, Michael shows up and just backhands Castiel and shoves Sam into a wall. Just kill them, dude.

Yeh that bothers me. Shit mattered back in Season 5, Castiel exploded for using a holy fire molotov on Michael and Bobby got his neck snapped for shooting Lucifer. Then he proceeded to brutalize Dean slowly to make it sting for Sam. Now it's just fling them around like ragdolls and death no longer matters.

just_myles said:
A season ending with Dean not being himself. I feel like I have seen this before.

Me too...I don't know why but I feel like this will be resolved within the first three episodes.

Kschreck · May 20, 2018

This video suggests that

Lucifer is NOT dead and will likely return in season 14 due to him having Jack's grace which gives him possibly resurrection ability

:

https://youtu.be/wHuxP8rhlxo

Does anyone else here wish the show would just get back to more classic style, darker hunting episodes where Sam and Dean drive the Impala across America solving cases like the older seasons? I feel like the main plot has gone way down hill since Andrew Dabb took over. The classic episodes at this point are more exciting to me...

Platy · May 20, 2018

The only problem with the classic style episodes is that they had SO MANY that you can basically tell the whole plot of those by just watching the previously

Oh this previously on supernatural show them talking about how to kill a vamopire, how to cure a vampire, show rufus and an angel grenade.
Ok so the episode will feature vampires as main enemies, rufus in a cameo being turned into a vampire AND then curedand some angel fighting that will be solved with an angel grenade at the end

hurlex · May 20, 2018

Septimus Prime said:
One thing I've never liked about this show (and lots of other shows, really) is that incredibly powerful beings will show up and just throw people around and/or use soft punches on the main characters, even though we've already seen them instantly kill things that are supposed to be stronger than the main characters previously.

Like, Michael shows up and just backhands Castiel and shoves Sam into a wall. Just kill them, dude.

One of the reasons why I liked Season 5 a lot is that they gave really clever reasons for why the characters were able to go against these extremely powerful beings. Since Sam and Dean were the perfect vessels, they were untouchable by both demons and angels. It was also funny that they revealed that the brothers did actually die a lot, they just kept getting resurrected but didn't know about it. It makes the more story more believable IMO.

I think they may have had some good reasons in Season 4 too, but I can't remember that well. Probably something about the seals.

DarkHeartedKill · May 21, 2018

hurlex said:
One of the reasons why I liked Season 5 a lot is that they gave really clever reasons for why the characters were able to go against these extremely powerful beings. Since Sam and Dean were the perfect vessels, they were untouchable by both demons and angels. It was also funny that they revealed that the brothers did actually die a lot, they just kept getting resurrected but didn't know about it. It makes the more story more believable IMO.

I think they may have had some good reasons in Season 4 too, but I can't remember that well. Probably something about the seals.

Dean had to break the first seal(originally Azazel, Lilith, and Ruby believed John was the one to do it, but he endured countless years of torture in hell and never broke) and Sam had to break the final seal.
First Seal was broken when a righteous man sheds blood in hell. Final seal is Lilith dying which they needed Sam to do due to the whole demon blood thing.
I remember the first 5 seasons so well, but the rest are a sort of blur or mixed together.

But Dean died at the end of Season 3 so he could break the first seal. First time we saw one of them actually die I think.

Not Spaceghost · May 21, 2018

Septimus Prime said:
One thing I've never liked about this show (and lots of other shows, really) is that incredibly powerful beings will show up and just throw people around and/or use soft punches on the main characters, even though we've already seen them instantly kill things that are supposed to be stronger than the main characters previously.

Like, Michael shows up and just backhands Castiel and shoves Sam into a wall. Just kill them, dude.

The final fight was some of the most clumsy fight choreography I have yet to see in this show. The wirework made it look like it was operating on minimal budget lol.

DarkHeartedKill said:
But Dean died at the end of Season 3 so he could break the first seal. First time we saw one of them actually die I think.

Dean dies at the end of season 1 too, season 2 opens with him being dead in a hospital and death gets told to piss off away when John trades his life for Deans. And sam dies right before the end of season 2 which is why dean only has 1 year left to live in season 3.

B-Dubs · May 21, 2018

Kschreck said:
Does anyone else here wish the show would just get back to more classic style, darker hunting episodes where Sam and Dean drive the Impala across America solving cases like the older seasons? I feel like the main plot has gone way down hill since Andrew Dabb took over. The classic episodes at this point are more exciting to me...

It wouldn't work at this point. The brothers have too much experience for those kinds of episodes at this point. Most of the jobs from the first two seasons wouldn't even be a real threat to them, they'd just steamroll their way through them.

Septimus Prime · May 21, 2018

B-Dubs said:
It wouldn't work at this point. The brothers have too much experience for those kinds of episodes at this point. Most of the jobs from the first two seasons wouldn't even be a real threat to them, they'd just steamroll their way through them.

Yeah. Perfect example was this season, actually, when Sam got got by those random vampires. I'm sure I wasn't the only person who was like, yeah, that shouldn't happen.

B-Dubs · May 21, 2018

Septimus Prime said:
Yeah. Perfect example was this season, actually, when Sam got got by those random vampires. I'm sure I wasn't the only person who was like, yeah, that shouldn't happen.

Yea, they've handled way worse than that. If it had been that swarm of dozens and dozens from the scene with Lucifer then I could buy it, but by a handful of vamps? The boys should have stomped them.

Kschreck · May 21, 2018

I just wish they could find a way to make the actual main story more interesting. The fact that they keep killing and bringing back nearly every character also makes things feel more cheap and removes the high stakes tension of it all. They are already

talking about bringing Lucifer back

for season 14. The writing has been awful and that's super heartbreaking since Supernatural was always one of my all-time favorite shows for years. They really need to move on from the angels/demon stuff and just figure something out that is completely new and different.

I really hope they some how find a way to make the Dean/Michael story interesting and compelling this season. I also kind of wish Bobby and Charlie were our world's characters or got their souls instead. Just do something new with the show and figure out how to make the writing less cheesy and more serious, an epic. Doesn't take a big budget to do good writing. Season 11 proved that the show could still pull off epicness on the shows low budget and we still once in awhile get a well done episode. It's just becoming more rare these days.

How did you guys feel about season 13? Did you enjoy it? Were you disappointed?

Not Spaceghost · May 21, 2018

Kschreck said:
How did you guys feel about season 13? Did you enjoy it? Were you disappointed?

It was just messy, it feels like a season where they didn't really know what story they wanted to tell, early on we knew that alt michael was going to be the big bad but then they didn't talk about him at all for ages. It felt like they tried to cram the bulk of the original idea they had for the season story into the last 3 episodes.

Kschreck · May 21, 2018

Not Spaceghost said:
It was just messy, it feels like a season where they didn't really know what story they wanted to tell, early on we knew that alt michael was going to be the big bad but then they didn't talk about him at all for ages. It felt like they tried to cram the bulk of the original idea they had for the season story into the last 3 episodes.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

Stiler · May 21, 2018

I kind of feel like the show ramped itself up way too fast early on in its life in terms of the "evil" and "big threat" for each season. After stopping Lucifer and the Apocalypse it's like they got into this mindset that each season had to be even "bigger" and more "evil" then the last and that lead to some truly bad/cliched villains and threats.

With what both Sam and Dean have been through when they re-tread on similar tropes, especially on lesser ones, it doesn't carry as much weight because they've been down that road many times before.

Death became quite meaningless, especially when they brought their mom back (That was a huge mistake imo) and both Sam/Dean have died how many times now?

When Sam was bit by the vampire and you had Dean crying and acting all sad it felt so unbelievable, I think everyone that watched the show knew it wasn't really going to happen nor would it stay that way.

Now the show has fallen into the same pit that plagues comics in that when important/fan favorite characters die you know almost 100% of the time they are just going to be resurrected somehow to come back. Meanwhile I'm sitting here hoping it happens to Crowley (likely not, as the actor said he had no plans to return to the show which is sad, I liked him, especially paired with Moose).

I still enjoy the show, and I enjoyed this season, especially with Lucifer back, that actor is great (liked him ever since I saw him in Dexter), he plays the role so well and of all the villains on the show he's the one that seems the most convincing and deadly compared to the others. However it just doesn't have the same "bite" to it that it did earlier on in its life, and there's really no way that I can see for it to get that back with how they've wrote the show and seasons since.

ZeoVGM · May 21, 2018

Kschreck said:
This video suggests that

Lucifer is NOT dead and will likely return in season 14 due to him having Jack's grace which gives him possibly resurrection ability

:

https://youtu.be/wHuxP8rhlxo

It would be very interesting if they legitimately went down a road of redemption for him. They hinted at it a bit and it would be interesting. But if they plan on bringing him back just to be evil again, I'm not interested.

Does anyone else here wish the show would just get back to more classic style, darker hunting episodes where Sam and Dean drive the Impala across America solving cases like the older seasons? I feel like the main plot has gone way down hill since Andrew Dabb took over. The classic episodes at this point are more exciting to me...

Nope. If I wanted those episodes, I would watch the old seasons.

I think Dabb has injected a breath of fresh air to the series. While seasons 11 and 8 were mostly great, 12 and 13 have felt new. A refocus on the idea of "family" by killing off the Dean and Sam arguments and bringing in recurring cast members more often.

I recently rewatched the entire series from beginning to end with my fiancee (who has an account, MUFFIN., but doesn't post) and season 12 ended up being her favorite season specifically because of that. Nothing will ever top 4/5 in my eyes but it was interesting going through everything, episode to episode, all over again.

Kschreck · May 21, 2018

ZeoVGM said:
It would be very interesting if they legitimately went down a road of redemption for him. They hinted at it a bit and it would be interesting. But if they plan on bringing him back just to be evil again, I'm not interested.

Nope. If I wanted those episodes, I would watch the old seasons.

I think Dabb has injected a breath of fresh air to the series. While seasons 11 and 8 were mostly great, 12 and 13 have felt new. A refocus on the idea of "family" by killing off the Dean and Sam arguments and bringing in recurring cast members more often.

I recently rewatched the entire series from beginning to end with my fiancee (who has an account, MUFFIN., but doesn't post) and season 12 ended up being her favorite season specifically because of that. Nothing will ever top 4/5 in my eyes but it was interesting going through everything, episode to episode, all over again.

In episode 13x22 they made it seem like Lucifer was beginning to "feel". Even had him tearing up a bit during his take with Gabriele and his sad stance looking into the camera when making the deal with Michael as if he was feeling bad for making a deal that would allow Michael to conquer our world but then the very next episode Lucifer is 100% evil, randomly killing people, stealing Jack's grace like it was nothing and talking about destroying everything. It's as if the writers don't even actually talk much with one another to hash out an actual storyline that is consistent.

Am I being to rough on Supernatural? I don't know. Maybe? Was always one of my all time favorite shows but I feel like season 12 and 13 have been rather boring. Not really feeling the plot lately. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I am being a bit to rough on the series. It's not even the budget. I feel like the main plot has been rolling out very slowly the last two seasons. I really want them to get away from all of the angel/demon stuff, apocalypse stuff, heaven and hell stuff and just find something entirely new.

It could be a case where I like one season that another hates but then for all I know, season 14 could be truly epic for me and everyone else will be down on it. I am always up for more Supernatural and will continue watching. I guess I've just been a bit let down with seasons 12 and 13 but who knows. Maybe I'll find season 14 more exciting now that the plots are taking place on Earth again. Also having Alt Bobby and Charlie back is pretty damn cool too. I expected them to die in the season finale and was surprised when that didn't happen. I want to see Rowena/Charlie road trip as mentioned in the season finale. That could be a fun episode!

ZeoVGM · May 21, 2018

Kschreck said:
In episode 13x22 they made it seem like Lucifer was beginning to "feel". Even had him tearing up a bit during his take with Gabriele and his sad stance looking into the camera when making the deal with Michael as if he was feeling bad for making a deal that would allow Michael to conquer our world but then the very next episode Lucifer is 100% evil, randomly killing people, stealing Jack's grace like it was nothing and talking about destroying everything. It's as if the writers don't even actually talk much with one another to hash out an actual storyline that is consistent.

Am I being to rough on Supernatural? I don't know. Maybe? Was always one of my all time favorite shows but I feel like season 12 and 13 have been rather boring. Not really feeling the plot lately. I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I am being a bit to rough on the series. It's not even the budget. I feel like the main plot has been rolling out very slowly the last two seasons. I really want them to get away from all of the angel/demon stuff, apocalypse stuff, heaven and hell stuff and just find something entirely new.

It could be a case where I like one season that another hates but then for all I know, season 14 could be truly epic for me and everyone else will be down on it. I am always up for more Supernatural and will continue watching. I guess I've just been a bit let down with seasons 12 and 13 but who knows. Maybe I'll find season 14 more exciting now that the plots are taking place on Earth again. Also having Alt Bobby and Charlie back is pretty damn cool too. I expected them to die in the season finale and was surprised when that didn't happen. I want to see Rowena/Charlie road trip as mentioned in the season finale. That could be a fun episode!

Just waiting for the episode when we find out what happened to the real Bobby in Heaven after season 10 and it ends up being that his spirit was turned into an angel and he ends up possessing the body of Alt-Bobby.

Kschreck · May 21, 2018

ZeoVGM said:
Just waiting for the episode when we find out what happened to the real Bobby in Heaven after season 10 and it ends up being that his spirit was turned into an angel and he ends up possessing the body of Alt-Bobby.

They really do need to just give us back our Bobby and Charlie. It's Supernatural, they can find a way to pull it off without it feeling any more cheesy then anything else they do on the show. lol

Joni · May 21, 2018

It is important to keep Lucifer dead to stress the finality of these deads. Too many resurrections otherwise. It also helps bring down the power levels: use Michael to kill Alt-Michael which eliminates all Arch-Angels. That would mean the top level of Angels and Demons would be completely out of the picture.

Froli · May 21, 2018

That was really bad lol

Piku_Ringo · May 21, 2018

Andrew Lucas said:
It's not like they couldn't have went with other route that didn't look this stupid.

all they had to do was call up madhouse to animate that fight.

Rackham · May 21, 2018

Froli said:
That was really bad lol

It was like someone JUST watched Michael Jackson's Thriller and thought "wow this is so fresh and original"

Piku_Ringo · May 21, 2018

Then again you an pretty much boil down everyone working in this writers room to Three Stooges sound effects due to the level of incompetency

Deleted member 5865 · May 21, 2018

I dont know what to say that hasnt been said by other posters lol. Im glad the show has acknowledged the endgame because it gives me motivation to see the Winchesters finish their story for good

Platy · May 21, 2018

So are you saying that ....

...lucifer was canceled but has a small chance of coming back ?

;D

Rackham · May 21, 2018

I would have liked to see something different from Supernatural than an Archangel showdown. A season of Lucifer trying to be a good dad to Jack would have been hilarious.

Not Spaceghost · May 21, 2018

Rackham said:
A season of Lucifer trying to be a good dad to Jack would have been hilarious.

As much as I love mark pellegrino's lucifer, for the bulk of this season he's just felt like a big dumb goof ball. He's lost that sinister edge he used to have, where you could tell he was just trying to get your guard down and you could tell his charm was working but you knew it wasn't going to end well. I kinda am glad to see him go just because I feel like the show was getting scary close to making lucifer a caricature of himself.

Rackham · May 21, 2018

Not Spaceghost said:
As much as I love mark pellegrino's lucifer, for the bulk of this season he's just felt like a big dumb goof ball. He's lost that sinister edge he used to have, where you could tell he was just trying to get your guard down and you could tell his charm was working but you knew it wasn't going to end well. I kinda am glad to see him go just because I feel like the show was getting scary close to making lucifer a caricature of himself.

It made sense in the context of Supernatural. He got his ass handed to him most of the season and it had to have made him a bit more humble

Froli · May 21, 2018

I even cringed at them at "flying" and the effects.. they shouldn't have done that scene differently if it was going to be that bad lol. And for the last episode of the season, they should have given it some care.

And this is coming from a long time fan of the series.

DarkHeartedKill · May 22, 2018

Not Spaceghost said:
The final fight was some of the most clumsy fight choreography I have yet to see in this show. The wirework made it look like it was operating on minimal budget lol.

Dean dies at the end of season 1 too, season 2 opens with him being dead in a hospital and death gets told to piss off away when John trades his life for Deans. And sam dies right before the end of season 2 which is why dean only has 1 year left to live in season 3.

o right, the car crash and Sam being literally stabbed in the back. Damn they die a lot...I still love that episode with Ash where he points it out. I miss Ash :(

Fiction · May 22, 2018

I finally got caught. Damn. I guess staying away from spoilers is good, since I was totally surprised about Charlie. Saw Dean's hail mary play coming, but only during that episode. Also saw the twist end because they couldn't win that easy (though I thought Lucy had killed Micheal)

So long Lucy. You were a magnificent bastard.

Micheal!Dean in those clothes is making me think some shenanigans regarding time travel will happen. Maybe it's this Micheal that sets the whole 'Mary/John love match to create the perfect vessals' in play?

I'm reaching.

Happy Jack survived I was certain they'd make us love him and then kill him.

Last shot of Cas lol. Hes so fucking done with everything.

silva1991 · May 26, 2018

So the main antagonist next season is gonna be an angel. How original and never been seen in this show before...

And of course Luci will comeback somehow.

Kschreck · May 26, 2018

silva1991 said:
So the main antagonist next season is gonna be an angel. How original and never been seen in this show before...

We call him...

Alt Angel Michael Dean

LOL

Deleted member 7756 · May 26, 2018

You don't just kill Lucifer.

It's not how things work.

I'm looking forward to his return midway through next season lol.

Joni · May 27, 2018

Like Crowley would have been back this year? Maybe for once it will stick.

Deleted member 1041 · May 27, 2018

Monkeys Paw wish for an antagonist that isn't an angel or demon-They get Leviathans to help them take out Michael and then we get Leviathans as antagonists again.

Persephone · May 27, 2018

Sam should have been the one to kill Lucifer and that's the tea

jrDev · May 27, 2018

NTGYK said:
This show is still on???

Lol, I think there is a post like this every year...

Still catching up on the season, finally got to episode where they revealed Rowena wasn't dead! Yes! :-D

dennett316 · May 29, 2018

That last episode....man, did it end badly with that damn Thriller freeze frame. That would've been bad on it's own, but they also had some of the shittiest wire work I've ever seen outside of a student play. Why did they do that? It totally killed any impact the fight could've had. The shots of them goofily throwing punches at each other looked SO damn bad - so weightless and crappy looking.

I still enjoy the show, I do. But it needs to end. They've killed the 4 horsemen, Death himself, Satan, Gods (though not THE God, not yet anyway), Archangels. Pretty much the whole cast has died and come back multiple times. I can see Lucifer coming back, hell, there's probably an outside chance of Gabriel returning again due to his dalliance with Rowena.

The only cool thing I could see really freshening things up is an alternate dimension version of their father coming in to be the season antagonist, and the conflict that would bring for them. He's not super powered, he just has all his skills and drive and is working towards some kind of goal that puts him at odds with his sons. Scale it back, get some good drama going, make it leaner and meaner again. Since that won't happen, and they've done this thing with Dean, I hope they actually have the balls to do it right this time and not cop out like they did with Demon Dean. Have it last the whole season, have him actually be different rather than just a mildly darker version of the same character.

Sub Boss · May 29, 2018

hurlex said:
One of the reasons why I liked Season 5 a lot is that they gave really clever reasons for why the characters were able to go against these extremely powerful beings. Since Sam and Dean were the perfect vessels, they were untouchable by both demons and angels. It was also funny that they revealed that the brothers did actually die a lot, they just kept getting resurrected but didn't know about it. It makes the more story more believable IMO.

wait, what? O.o
This gives new meaning to me

BoxManLocke · May 30, 2018

Joni said:
Like Crowley would have been back this year? Maybe for once it will stick.

It will stick because of the actor himself, who confirmed numerous times that he doesn't want to come back (and thank God for him) ; if the writers would have their way they'd bring him back too for sure. But they're not getting Crowley back.

Season 13 has been absolute garbage as far as I'm concerned, happily veering into self-parody and cheesy fanfiction every couple of episodes.
Pacing was horrendous, the bad guys were extremely underwhelming, the plot was messy and unfocused, and the only new good thing they were able to create, Jack, was grossly underused. They also still don't know what the fuck to do with Mary. As for Sam and Dean, their character arcs started decently then completely disappeared after the midseason finale. The number of useless character returns has gone through the fucking roof, the worst of them all being Gabriel, who was brought back for no reason at all and got offed in the lamest way possible.
There was a shocking lack of consistency in the writing, with story bits being introduced then either killed very shortly after or never mentioned again, jarring tonal shifts within a single scene, numerous failed attempts at comedy bits, and the usual plot contrivances and shitting all over canon.
Also the directing was terrible on several occasions, including the finale (that awkward wired fight scene and the freeze-frame cliffhanger... yikes).

I'm still finding reasons to be optimistic about season 14, though. Killing Lucifer is a huge step in the right direction. as the character was a fucking cancer on the show, a bad sitcom reject constantly hogging screen time while never brining anything new to the table.
Ending the alternate universe storyline is also a good call, as they did nothing interesting with it in season 13. It actually felt like a shitty 90s SF show more often than not.
Keeping Jack for another season is great too.
Having 20 episodes instead of 23 might help thighten up the narrative a bit.
Lastly, having one of the brothers be the center of the story. While the story in question isn't exactly groundbreaking or original, having Sam and Dean truly involved in it is the only way to make in interesting.

Septimus Prime · May 30, 2018

Persephone said:
Sam should have been the one to kill Lucifer and that's the tea

Sam? You mean that side character?

dennett316 said:
The only cool thing I could see really freshening things up is an alternate dimension version of their father coming in to be the season antagonist, and the conflict that would bring for them. He's not super powered, he just has all his skills and drive and is working towards some kind of goal that puts him at odds with his sons. Scale it back, get some good drama going, make it leaner and meaner again.

I had no idea I wanted this, but this is the best possible route.

Kschreck · Jun 2, 2018

So currently Supernatural has only been ordered for 20 episodes for season 14 instead of the usual 23 of the last few seasons. They are discussing it more here in this video:

https://youtu.be/pbHdPzrLlYo

No explanation has been given for the short reduction in episode count. Could be a number of things. Maybe Jensen and Jarad wanted to do a few less episodes going forward due to having families, maybe the CW just wanted a few less for whatever schedule they are doing this year. Who knows. It's not worth worrying about this being the last season as there has been no indication from either the CW or the actors who both insist that they want to keep the show going so long as the ratings are there.

TheGhost · Jun 2, 2018

Kschreck said:
So currently Supernatural has only been ordered for 20 episodes for season 14 instead of the usual 23 of the last few seasons. They are discussing it more here in this video:

https://youtu.be/pbHdPzrLlYo

No explanation has been given for the short reduction in episode count. Could be a number of things. Maybe Jensen and Jarad wanted to do a few less episodes going forward due to having families, maybe the CW just wanted a few less for whatever schedule they are doing this year. Who knows. It's not worth worrying about this being the last season as there has been no indication from either the CW or the actors who both insist that they want to keep the show going so long as the ratings are there.

I'm not worried over a 20 episode season....a 10 episode season? Then I'll worry.

kylecoley182 · Jun 4, 2018

Couldn't archangels be brought back to life ? God can only do that right ?

MonadL · Jun 4, 2018

kylecoley182 said:
Couldn't archangels be brought back to life ? God can only do that right ?

Chuck implied it would take awhile to bring back an archangel.

ZeoVGM · Jun 4, 2018

20 episodes is a strange number.

But we've gotten an extra 23rd episode for a number of seasons now so that's fine.

Septimus Prime · Jun 4, 2018

MonadL said:
Chuck implied it would take awhile to bring back an archangel.

Yeah, but I think he probably just didn't want to do it. Gabriel wasn't even dead! No way God wouldn't have known about that.

riotous · Jun 4, 2018

My guess is they'll cut back on the procedural episodes and stick more with the story; which IMO would be unfortunate as I love the non-story episodes.

Kschreck · Jun 4, 2018

riotous said:
My guess is they'll cut back on the procedural episodes and stick more with the story; which IMO would be unfortunate as I love the non-story episodes.

This. The main story has been terrible. I want more old school hunting episodes and now we are getting less of that and more boring story episodes. :(

Piku_Ringo · Jun 7, 2018

Misha: "...Actually I might have PTSD...from working on this show"

Me: Well, A lot of people have PTSD from that season finale, myself included.

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