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ITT: a bunch of people who do their best to avoid actual harassment threads get outraged at invisible harassment of a dude who actually supports an harassment group.
How quaint.
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Daniel Vavra (Kingdom Come Deliverance) cancels his visit to Gamelab; Spanish development conference
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ITT: a bunch of people who do their best to avoid actual harassment threads get outraged at invisible harassment of a dude who actually supports an harassment group.
How quaint.
Where did I say Vavra shouldnt be condemned?
Just because I'm not frothing at the mouth to use inaccurate labels doesn't mean I support him. You might as well be calling him a pedophile and a rapist. Who cares if they're true or accurate, people need to know he's bad!
You have done nothing but ignore posts of users telling you exactly what he publically does and voices, and have done nothing to refute it. You're being dishonest.
I played the game via family sharing on Steam, and I very much enjoyed it. Yes he has.
Vavra is a far-right racist. Wibbling about how he's not a nazi is A) splitting hairs B) actually illustrating very well how 'nazi' is not losing its impact and C) actually illustrating very well how futile it is to argue with racist, far-right idiots. It always seems to come down to semantics and they'll deliberately drag the conversation there, because it benefits them to do so.
You didn't. You just condemned people for word choice and reinforced that without condemning him. It was implied.
Yeah I can see you and I aren't going to come to any sort of understanding here. Good luck in your pedantry.
If Nazi murdered some if my family member, I would consider being call a Nazi a great insult.
ITP: if you don't post in harassment thread then you have no right to fight against harassment.
ITP: if you don't post in harassment thread then you have no right to fight against harassment.
Then he maybe shouldn't voice support for people who are part of a neonazi movement publically and spread their shit
Calling him a Nazi -> Inaccurate
Calling "calling him a Nazi in a tweet not addressed to him" harassment -> Inaccurate
Two wrongs don't make a right, and both parties are guilty of exaggerating. This is true even if only one of these parties is a proven racist and misogynist.
I would hope the former is not a prerrequisite for the latter!
Calling "calling him a Nazi in a tweet not addressed to him" harassment -> Inaccurate
Two wrongs don't make a right, and both parties are guilty of exaggerating. This is true even if only one of these parties is a proven racist and misogynist.
I would hope the former is not a prerrequisite for the latter!
It's pretty sad that people like him have a distorted vision of free speech. He wants to voice his hatred everywhere, forcing people to listen to him and applaud him for it but when he gets a taste of his own medicine it's "heeeeeeelp people are mean on the internet".
I remember that thread. Everyone was shocked that a guy defending the murder of white farmers, saying it was completely justified.
User warned: Disingenuous argument and strawman building
There is a great difference between Nazi and Neo-Nazi. I don't know the man, but unless he support mass genocide, I don't think this is right.
...No I don't think there really is. The actual Nazis didn't exactly go around promoting the Holocaust; they always couched the process in 'Racial Purity' and such. When minorities are thoroughly dehumanized, it becomes much easier to casually destroy them.
Everyone considers beings called Nazis a great insult. Nazis especially can't fucking stand it. They absolutely lose their shit when you do and proceed to split hairs, play semantics, accuse their accusers of not understanding how bad Nazis really were if they call *them* Nazis ... all standard distraction tactics.
Go figure a man that lends his voice to gamergate shit is a great big snowflake.
Also some posters are transparent as fuck, haha. Find better heroes to throw yourselves in front of.
Also some posters are transparent as fuck, haha. Find better heroes to throw yourselves in front of.
Absolutely. Unfortunately being a victim of the nazis doesn't mean you are inmune to become one, just look at what the Israeli government is doing in Palestine.
Internet is fucking worst, I know the insults and some of them makes me even vomit. I know Dan and really no matter what he has done, he does not deserve this. Nobody deserve this. I don't care. If Daniel Vávra is off limits.
That Colin Moriarty guy made a sexist joke and was shunned by one part of a community and embraced by another. Probably makes more money now, has more fans (?), has more loyal fans, has been handed a new platform by those that took issue with him.
Thats an example of one platform being taken away (Kinda Funny) and megaphoned into another (Colins Last Stand).
Sometimes a strong opposition to something will have the opposite effect, whether it be by that person or someone else capitalizing on said retaliation.
There are some rather obvious other examples where attempting to discredit or deplatform individuals creates entire movements.
Whispering sweet nothings
They'll nazi the light
Whispering little nothings
They Goebbels up the night.
i'm sorry
Finally someone who has seen all these harassing insults. Can you link these vomit inducing harassment posts?
Altright doesn't need sympathy. It only reinforces their propaganda and lies.
Sure there is. Some are old nazis and some are new nazis.
A world of difference.
You're not lying..
People are all the way out here for this racist.
Also didn't Colin's audience steadily decline to the point where he hid how much he gets from Patreon each month for some reason?
The alt right is here for a good time, not a long time.
For what it's worth, his "success" in changing his platform/audience was only very brief. He very quickly hid his patreon numbers after it was clear that he was losing patrons rapidly after his initial success and he's since started crawling back to gaming journalism.
Maybe he should have checked before making the point?
If you wanna argue that Milo Yannoupolous has more followers now than ever, be my guest but better have hard numbers.
Can't read this whole dang thread, I'll never catch up, but I saw this.
Umm, most of these ethnic purists and alt-right sympathizers are either just Nazis (see the big alt right jamboree in charlottesville) or very very nazi adjacent. They embrace the symbols and rhetoric in private, and in public when they think conditions are right.
So yea, the poor edgelord fascists don't like getting called their own n-word, only because they havnt properly rehabilitated them yet so it still has salience as an insult. Snowflakes.
He doesn't deserve harassment, but he certainly deserves to be called out for the shitty things he says and the shitty things he signal boosts.
I can understand why he quit. As we all know, "racist" is the most offensive ethnic slur there is, and someone being called a racist is far more offensive than being actually being racist or spreading racist ideas.
Maybe I'm missing something since I'm catching myself up now, but if that Spanish tweet is seriously it, then there isn't enough for me to get sympathy.
Maybe I'm missing something since I'm catching myself up now, but if that Spanish tweet is seriously it, then there isn't enough for me to get sympathy.
Is it just the one tweet that caused him to cancel his visit? I'm just thinking in comparison to the hundreds of insulting tweets and rape/death threats that women got as part of the harassment campaign he supported.
This is my fault it's the end of the day for me so my sarcasm detector is not working properly...
No, I cannot, but let say, that insults which is extremely offensive in my (our) country. About being Nazi, even he has grandparents in Nazi camps. And really disgusting stuff like that, aside from some death treats, etc. But please, I need to keep those people in private, since, nothing of that materialise.
I am not sure what are you trying to say.
No problem in that, even from his side. We Czechs can take criticism without an issue.
Deserve what? Literally no harassment has been shown. Everything I've seen so far is only people calling him what he factually is.
He's still earning around 24k/month. Most traditional gaming journos will be lucky to earn that in a year.
What is he, factually? And since it is fact, please provide a reasonable amount of sources and documentation which demonstrate what he factually is.
Gonna need some receipts on Colin 1) making more money; 2) making more fans; and 3) making more loyal fans.
Last I checked he almost got banned from his own subreddit.
I guess you cannot see emails, private messages, calls.... I am not here to defend him, I just saying that I was disgusted by knowing what people are capable off. This is like, I don't know....what scares me, that it could happens to anyone. Dan does not give a shit and he is really just said, that he rather work on the game than just waste his time with some dumbasses who does not know him. And I get it, but as myself, mentally ill person, not the mention far younger, I would like probably be in far worse situation, not the mention others. I am not here to defend him, I am just saying that these "keyboard knights" could do a shit ton of damage to a person. That's just my point of view and it extends far beyond Dan. Such a vile shit, I kinda get it now, how disgusting must be comments towards women, I don't know man, humans were mistake.
They know, everyone knows and being polite is a waste of fucking time.
Just to comment on Nazi "insults" in general, having ancestors as victims of the Holocaust or Jewish background does not preclude someone from being a Nazi, Nazi sympathyzer or ally, or being very Nazi like. There are plenty of evil hypocrites in the world.
Netanyahu for example has received criticism in and outside of Israel for cosying up to anti-semites and even welcomed an anti-semetic preacher for the opening of the U.S. embasy in Jerusalem. And that's not looking at his Nazi like genocidal tendencies and outright pro-genocide statements from his administration.
Someone's ancestors are not a valid shield from the accusations, his actions would be. David Duke (American white supremecist leader) recieved votes from a few black people, Hitler had non-white allies, Taiwanese nationalists sometimes ally with Japanese nationalists, Milo allied with Nazis, etc. There's no shortage of this sort of lack of self awareness when promoting evil.