I remember when pewpiedie or whoever said the n bomb and we had a million scenarios where maybe it would be ok
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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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Don't think people have an issue with the woman, that situation's settled. She shouldn't have said it, she apologised and everything is cordial.
It's the silly arguments after the fact in this thread.
Like how we shouldn't have the word "Nigga" in our songs.
Or how we should not expect White people to not say it when it's in the lyrics, as if they're infants not capable of skipping a bloody word a couple times.
There're some other ones that I don't care for repeating. The annoying thing is, many people would just skip the word easy, I've seen it from videos of fans on stage just letting the word pass and carrying on right after.
I've seen my mates skip the word. I've seen rappers censor their lyrics in certain appearances.
But apparently it is a monumental task for some to just not say it. Leading me to believe they just want to say the word anyway, regardless of the context.
How many times have we repeated the reasons why you shouldn't. Yet like clockwork there'd be the same tired argument springing up.
There are 29 words here. 4 of them are "nigga". Bleep them out or find a substitute word.
It's easy.
It ain't my job to educate willfully ignorant people who get offended if you so much as hint at them being wrong. Theres google for that bullshit
And, I already told you in the other thread, fuck your understanding:
BossAttack said:
Welcome to a taste of being a nigger in America.
Wait so moderation is bad now because they won't let you argue about why you should be able to say the N Word?
Wow
Fuck all of that. They can read the fucking thread, instead of posting the same shit.
And foh about me educating ignorant folks. It is not my job to educate anyone.
There isn't anything to disagree on non black people using that word.
White people can say the n-word once they defund their nations' treasuries and pay full reparations to the Black lands and peoples they enslaved and colonized. How bout that?
It's not that simple. People within the LGBTQ community might refer to one another in ways that I know I cannot. That's okay. Not everything is for me to engage with.
That's a good video that should stop the tired argument of, "Well what can white people do that is reasonable? (Since not saying the word is impossible.)"
And not saying a single word is literally the easiest thing you can do as a non-black person. It's one word. Yet people still can't do that without throwing up a fuss.
I went to the DAMN. Tour this summer and I sang along to his songs. I did not say the n-word, because obviously. This wasn't difficult. Even when I'm by myself in my car singing along, I don't say it. I'm not trying to praise myself here; I'm just saying that it's possible to sing his music and not drop the n-word. Kendrick censors it all the time in televised performances.
Friend. To some people it apparently is rocket science.
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Kendrick did and these folks are mad at him for educating the girl/blame him for having the word in his songs.
They don't want folks to be educated they just use that as an excuse for why their bullshit should be tolerated
User Banned (3 Days): Arguing in bad faith.
Come on man you saw the lyrics yourself... the word is literally on every single line. When at a concert you're hyped up, probably on something (alchohol or another drug), and you're just really there to have fun.
Do people reasonably expect to be like this at a very fast song:
"Man down
Where you from, [wait I can't say the word coming up, they'll crucify me] nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my [wait I can't say the word coming up, they'll crucify me] nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my [wait I can't say the word coming up, they'll crucify me] nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my [wait I can't say the word coming up, they'll crucify me] nigga"
Fixed man
Dudes thinking this just a US thing are lying. Shit is used in Europe as well in many countries between black dudes. Also used as a slur to put us down
no worries... I was truly juast asking because of the hate the word creates... and wondering if any other word does the same... but thanks for the answer...no hard feelings at all REDMERCURY.....
Wow I brought up this same issue in the "Are Vegans right" thread. Y'all wild, with the "if it's in the song" nonsense. Like would you say anything if it's in a song? Shit I skip over the c-word verse in Migos "Get Right Witcha" and that's my favorite song on Culture.
MY BRUTHA
MY HOMIE
IT'S NOT THAT HARD I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE
He said discuss, not argue, people should be able to discuss stuff like this rationally and respectfully without fear of being banned. No real discussion can be had when the moderators tell you what you can and can't say based on whatever their beliefs are, discussion like this can make people uncomfortable and if it gets out of hand and disrespectful then it should be moderated. Someone shouldn't be called out for asking for discussion on a difficult subject, that's what forums are for and what I presumed this thread was intended for.
1. The discussion of the use of the n-word, on this forum in particular, has occurred countless times (I want to say there's a thread about it around once a month/every two months). Add to that the fact that the answer to the question "Can I say it?" is a very simple and very straightforward "Not unless you're a person of color." and it's hard to see how so many people haven't gotten the message if they are arguing in good faith.
2. If they are arguing in good faith and are still bringing up these concerns, there's still good reason to shut that down, namely that misinformation spreads more easily if it is treated with credibility. If someone walked into a history classroom, raised their hand, and started going off about how Pearl Harbor was an inside job perpetrated by FDR to get the US into WWII, you are not as a teacher going to sit down and humor such conspiratorial nonsense, because it's taking the focus away from actual history and giving the conspiracy guy a platform to expand upon and spread their misinformation. Maybe it would be inaccurate to say it's "bad faith" if it is uncertain whether or not the person is actually arguing in good faith or not, but one way or another that nonsense needs to be addressed as nonsense.
I understand that music occupies a different part of a person's brain than interpersonal communication. I wake up in the morning all the time with songs that I dislike stuck in my head. I've never woke up with a racial slur stuck in my head. I've personally always considered art a neutral space as well. Kendrick Lamar is the definition of an artist, but not everyone that listens to him explores the art much more than surface level. I can see why this is confusing for a lot of people. As a member of diverse communities (such as this site) I have been able to directly read the sentiments of black people asking white people to stop singing that word. That makes the issue easy for me as a white man. I understand that there are a lot of people who don't have the same cultural exposure and never think of words in a song as anything more than that.
I feel bad that this young lady is getting so much attention while this exists... Toronto...
Also, just to counter the young lady in the OP who butchered her performance, here is a fan that absolutely crushed it, lol (not the first guy that gets the boot).
I feel bad that this young lady is getting so much attention while this exists... Toronto...
Also, just to counter the young lady in the OP who butchered her performance, here is a fan that absolutely crushed it, lol (not the first guy that gets the boot).
I was going to say the West to be fully broad, like I used before, but figured I shouldn't speak for black people in Western nations I've not lived in. But, it's the truth.
Here's what I'm getting:
Even though the song has 14 occurrences of the offensive word in it, as a white Kendrick Lamar fan, you should: A.) Never speak aloud the word in the song, even if you're singing along with it and B.) Assume that you'll be expected to self-censor the word if Kendrick Lamar himself invites you up on stage to sing his song with him.
Because it is now, and always will be, incumbent upon a white person to assume that they will never have license to use that word in any social situation or setting.
That's how this is, correct?
Even though the song has 14 occurrences of the offensive word in it, as a white Kendrick Lamar fan, you should: A.) Never speak aloud the word in the song, even if you're singing along with it and B.) Assume that you'll be expected to self-censor the word if Kendrick Lamar himself invites you up on stage to sing his song with him.
Because it is now, and always will be, incumbent upon a white person to assume that they will never have license to use that word in any social situation or setting.
That's how this is, correct?
When it comes to racism and in particular racial slurs, that's really only for those the word is used against to decide. There are no two sides two racial slurs, nor should there be. Black people tell you when White people use the words in any context it's racist, that should be enough, but for some it isn't, they have to add nuances.
As for whether there is still a discussion to be had, sure. The mod edit stated "don't tell Black people not to use the word and don't say "everybody should be able to say it". There is plenty discussion to be had in between. It can definitely be a thread for education, since people always say "we need to educate people". Let them come in and discuss with others why it's not ok even though it's in a song.
Only if they didn't bother to read the edits to the OP which clarify that Lamar regularly invites people to the stage who don't say the n-word, in which case they would still be breaking the rules. I think it's fine to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're smart enough to read a few sentences, and given that assumption, those arguments were made in bad faith.
This about sums up my opinion on the matter
(or this, if we wanna be all serious about it)
(or this, if we wanna be all serious about it)
It's amazing how educating and empathizing have become these fallacious arguments to excuse shitty behavior.
Your approach implies this somehow deserves a form of education and that if people still don't get it, it's because would be educators aren't efficient enough.
Alternatively, this is a forum with a minimum age requirement, clear rules about bigotry, and if after repeatedly reading "don't ever say the n word", you still don't get it, you're not acting in good faith and will never get it.
Even though you're trying real hard to push some shit, YES.
Here's a quick guide of when a white person can use the N-word: Never.
Does that clear up any confusion?
Honestly if it's that hard just stop listening to hip-hop and visting hiphop concerts imo. I just stopped listening to the genre altogether so there's no urge to 'rap-along'. Not missing it either tbh.
Pretty much.
Or sing it when you're with your friends or in the car by yourself but understand that it's not your word anymore and it's one of the things black people ask of you as a white person and if you're in public or with a group of people who aren't familiar with you you'll go from chill to suss real quick if you start saying it.
Just say it then, if you want the freedom.
But just know people will give you the side eye and will think you have issues actually giving black people the one word that was once most used to dehumanize them.
Sorry if not being able to say the N word scares you.
Don't say the word. If you make it a point to never say it, it won't accidentally slip out.
My wife has never said it, even though we listen to rap all the time.
i feel like the phrase "call out" has decayed so much that at this point it is used to describe every single instance of a person either saying that another person's behavior makes them uncomfortable or finding another person's behavior to be rude
you're not being "called out", you're just used to never considering anyone else's emotions or preferences when they aren't already in perfect alignment with your's
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you're not being "called out", you're just used to never considering anyone else's emotions or preferences when they aren't already in perfect alignment with your's
[using the plural you, not directed at anyone]
twerk and swag shouldn't be said by anyone in a non ironic situation.
Yes. Thank you.
I was just trying to make the point as clear as possible.
Yes, if you or I use the word at all I think it would be considered offensive. It's just not something to say.
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