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Xenon

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I'm not even sure how you see that message from it. He's not saying he's a better man at all. Just want a broader range of masculinity. Chill.

Sorry, the fu at the end was a play off of his beginning. I can see it coming off as angry from me. I'm not. This guy acts like he's dropping deep truths when most of it can be seen in top ten thing wrong with guys lists. Wow blue and pink make purple, that's deep bro. I get that there are people out there who don't ascribe to under established gender roles. but there are many people who do. There is nothing wrong with parents raising their child with them. It's how they react if their kids want to be different that is a problem. Same goes for people who are against them.
 
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Bramblebutt

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I get that there are people out there who don't ascribe to under established gender roles. but there are many people who do. There is nothing wrong with parents raising their child with them
I think that entirely depends on the roles. Is it really fine if parents raise their male children to be emotionally repressed or solve conflicts with violence if it's under the guise of masculinity? Is it okay if parents raise their female children to be submissive to male authority or to deny her academic pursuits if that's what you think constitutes womanhood?

I think it's important to be critical of gender roles not just because we might not necessarily ascribe to them, but also because some very common implementations of those roles might just not be healthy for us even if we do believe in them.
 

dusteatingbug

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I'm no history guy, but drawing a direct connection between communism and modern day left politics seems kind of dumb

Actually Marx' historical analysis in Capital led to the deaths of 1000 billion people in Maoist China and then morphed into SJW ideology through the black magic of (((postmodernism))) and took over humanities departments all over the world
 

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I was watching someone play FIFA on Twitch, someone brought up Justin Trudeau and the streamer says: "that beta cuck? I'd rather elect Jordan Peterson" with no irony whatsoever.
 

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I think that entirely depends on the roles. Is it really fine if parents raise their male children to be emotionally repressed or solve conflicts with violence if it's under the guise of masculinity? Is it okay if parents raise their female children to be submissive to male authority or to deny her academic pursuits if that's what you think constitutes womanhood?

I think it's important to be critical of gender roles not just because we might not necessarily ascribe to them, but also because some very common implementations of those roles might just not be healthy for us even if we do believe in them.
Exactly this, Xenon. Emotional suppression by fathers to sons and limiting career paths to daughters was never healthy in the first place.
 

Kirblar

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Here's the data on what happens when you make it easier for women to live as singles and exit marriages.

Good for women. Bad for assholes seeking to control other people.

 

RounD

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The people that debate him really need to do a better job quoting him when trying to make a point. From this thread there are plenty of funky stuff to debate him on.
 

Dirtyshubb

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So essentially he is saying:

"If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop"

Fucking hell, and I thought his forced monogamy comment was bad.

Although logically this was the only direction he could go in if he wasn't gonna take back his previous comment. This is just a clearer statement on what he thinks needs to happen to people not in monogamous relationships or just fucking around - punishment from the government.
 

Sub Boss

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So essentially he is saying:

"If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop"

Fucking hell, and I thought his forced monogamy comment was bad.

Although logically this was the only direction he could go in if he wasn't gonna take back his previous comment. This is just a clearer statement on what he thinks needs to happen to people not in monogamous relationships or just fucking around - punishment from the government.
Better yet, Religious sanctioned punishment like on the middle ages
 

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So essentially he is saying:

"If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop"

Fucking hell, and I thought his forced monogamy comment was bad.

Although logically this was the only direction he could go in if he wasn't gonna take back his previous comment. This is just a clearer statement on what he thinks needs to happen to people not in monogamous relationships or just fucking around - punishment from the government.
It's clear that Peterson is a Christian conservative that wants a return to the 50s. In other news:

Jordan Peterson Seems Like a Terrible Therapist

Until recently, those who contributed $200 or more monthly to his Patreon account could also receive a 45-minute Skype session with him. These sessions are not explicitly referred to as therapy, though a structured 45-minute conversation with a mental health professional from someone seeking assistance seems very much like therapy. Nellie Bowles recounts one such session in her recent New York Times profile of Peterson—Peterson acolyte Trevor Alexander Nestor, a young unemployed white man, posted the audio of his session online. This example suggests that if these sessions are anything like Peterson's clinical practice, what he's providing is far from therapeutic.

Like Peterson, I make my living by thinking and writing about therapy and psychology. I have a caseload of about 50 people at an outpatient clinic in Chicago, so I'm familiar with the rhythms of a therapy session. I was deeply troubled by what I saw in Peterson's session with Nestor. First, and perhaps most obviously, Peterson makes no attempt at remaining neutral throughout the conversation; he broadcasts his beliefs about gender and liberalism. Neutrality has always been a somewhat fraught subject area for mental health experts. Beginning with Freud, classical psychoanalysts cautioned therapists to strive for neutrality in their dealings with patients. The goal of this was not to come across as cold but rather to be a blank screen upon which patients could enact their prior relational patterns, the hope being that this would then lead them to increased insight and possibly healing. This is easy to say but difficult to practice; Freud himself did not follow this rule, though some who shared his ideology tried to. Later, more relationally oriented therapists would contend that this was an impossible goal.

But how Peterson intervenes in his discussion with Nestor is unlike anything either camp would recommend. Neutrality may not always be possible, but boundaries are essential for therapists to maintain regardless of their theoretical orientation, and Peterson has no interest in them. This is in contrast to traditional therapy—for example, if I bring too much of my personal identity into my work, that vastly narrows the scope of whom I can effectively treat. Beyond that, the goal of therapy is not to get your patients to think like you but to empower people to become the best version of themselves. Only seeing people who adhere to your narrowly confined ideology, and then using the time in session to justify this ideology, isn't therapeutic.

It's unclear to me what a session with Peterson really offers, other than confirmation of that of which the participant is already aware. Nestor doesn't seem to grow in his self-knowledge nor experience any insight during the course of his conversation with Peterson. When Nestor mentions feeling anxious, Peterson tells him that his anxiety is warranted. "You don't have a future and you don't have a job and no bloody wonder you're anxious," he says. "That just means you're sane." Therapy should never fill a patient with false hope, but neither should it make you feel as if the future is foreclosed against you. In this exchange, it seems like Peterson is attempting to use Nestor as support for his ideological view, rather than to help Nestor grow.

I'm now firmly in the "Peterson is a charlatan" camp. This fucker is reinforcing a dude's anxiety for $200

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Had to add this part:

There's also the issue of the payment. As noted, this was not an official therapy session. But it's important to note that therapists have an ethical responsibility to charge a reasonable rate for services and to refer a patient elsewhere if they cannot be seen in a timely manner. It's unclear how much Nestor paid in total—it could have been scheduled after he subscribed to Peterson's Patreon for one month, making it a fairly typical rate. But posts on the Jordan Peterson subreddit indicate that it could take several months to schedule a Skype session with Peterson. I don't know the state of Nestor's finances, but based upon his unemployment and lack of stable housing, he most likely spent money he didn't have to support Peterson (who reportedly makes $80,000 a month from his Patreon account). I don't blame Nestor for being desperate for help. I do blame Peterson for bilking him out of his hard-earned money.
 

RounD

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So essentially he is saying:

"If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop"

Fucking hell, and I thought his forced monogamy comment was bad.

Although logically this was the only direction he could go in if he wasn't gonna take back his previous comment. This is just a clearer statement on what he thinks needs to happen to people not in monogamous relationships or just fucking around - punishment from the government.

Cathy Newman? lol

I dont know his previous comment, that tweet was pretty old. But at this point with all his tweets its like he is trolling people into getting them to put words in his mouth. It happens all too often then he goes "I didnt say that"

Then there's a split of people that believe the words they put in his mouth and the people that go he didnt say that. Its very interesting how its all playing out.
 

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Cathy Newman? lol

I dont know his previous comment, that tweet was pretty old. But at this point with all his tweets its like he is trolling people into getting them to put words in his mouth. It happens all too often then he goes "I didnt say that"

Then there's a split of people that believe the words they put in his mouth and the people that go he didnt say that. Its very interesting how its all playing out.
What words are we putting into his mouth? Because he literally said enforced monogamy and he literally posted that tweet.

Here's another thing

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From this:

 
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Sorry to keep posting, but I keep coming across stupid shit in r/enoughpetersonspam.



Here's a transcript


It's funny that people keep linking hours long videos so that we can truly understand Peterson. That's was the best advice, actually. We're able to find shit like this where he blames women for stagnate wages.
 

RounD

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What words are we putting into his mouth? Because he literally said enforced monogamy and he literally posted that tweet.

Literally in what I quoted

"So essentially he is saying: "If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop""

And you see it also from the debate and whatever show he goes on. You must have seen them with all the Peterson videos you watch. If people would just stop doing it he wouldnt be able to go "I didnt say that" and get the Cathy Newman or NBC videos that do more to favor him.
 

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Literally in what I quoted

"So essentially he is saying: "If people don't control themselves and stop having non committal sex, the government are going to have to force them to stop""

And you see it also from the debate and whatever show he goes on. You must have seen them with all the Peterson videos you watch. If people would just stop doing it he wouldnt be able to go "I didnt say that" and get the Cathy Newman or NBC videos that do more to favor him.
That quote is a logical and reasonable inference to the "enforced monogamy" and casual sex necessitates state tyranny. So what does he mean by "enforced monogamy?"
 

enzo_gt

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Peterson argues that social hierarchies are natural because fucking lobsters have social hierarchies. Yet he's a huge proponent of "enforced monogamy" but only 3 to 5 percent of mammals practice monogamy.

LMAO
And in case people missed it, that was folk science too and marine biologist twitter gave him a smackdown:



Media in general is tearing him a new one about using Disney archetypes and citing less and less sources as he continues being the personality and less so of the rigorous academic that is (was?) his primary career.
 

Xenon

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I think that entirely depends on the roles. Is it really fine if parents raise their male children to be emotionally repressed or solve conflicts with violence if it's under the guise of masculinity? Is it okay if parents raise their female children to be submissive to male authority or to deny her academic pursuits if that's what you think constitutes womanhood?

I think it's important to be critical of gender roles not just because we might not necessarily ascribe to them, but also because some very common implementations of those roles might just not be healthy for us even if we do believe in them.

Exactly this, Xenon. Emotional suppression by fathers to sons and limiting career paths to daughters was never healthy in the first place.

Come on, you have to know that there are more to gender roles than just these negative aspects. But I think I'm bowing out here since we are going way OT. I leave by saying I agree with what you are saying and I am not advocating for any of the things you mentioned.
 

RounD

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That quote is a logical and reasonable inference to the "enforced monogamy" and casual sex necessitates state tyranny. So what does he mean by "enforced monogamy?"

Im sure you feel it is. I have no idea what he means though. So I'm not going to put words in his mouth. It would be nice to get clarification. Could casual sex necessitate state tyranny? Like wtf, I have no idea what that question is about. Or the other part, The missing responsibility has to be enforced somehow...

If true though it would be interesting to see him talk his way around not wanting government involvement with the Canadian bill vs wanting the government to punish casual sex. lol
 
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Im sure you feel it is. I have no idea what he means though. So I'm not going to put words in his mouth. It would be nice to get clarification. Could casual sex necessitate state tyranny? Like wtf, I have no idea what that question is about. Or the other part, The missing responsibility has to be enforced somehow...
That's the thing with Peterson. It's hard to get actual clarification so we can only go on context and his past comments. Because we are capable of reading between lines. If he doesn't want people to put words into his mouth, the he should use more precise speech
 

RounD

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That's the thing with Peterson. It's hard to get actual clarification so we can only go on context and his past comments. Because we are capable of reading between lines. If he doesn't want people to put words into his mouth, the he should use more precise speech

He's gotten traction because people cant though. Many media outlets fail to do it and he spins it in his favor.
 

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My wish would be that we really let this guy just fade away.

We all know what he is and why the people who like him champion him.

People like Peterson are allowed to tiptoe around being sexist. Saying women who get harassed deserve it because they wear makeup. They tiptoe.....they are habitual tiptoers
 

StayHandsome

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I bought his book on Audible having never heard of him outside of an article that mentioned only his views on being "happy". That is to say, that being "happy" isn't the meaning or goal of life. I thought that was an interesting take and I've carried that simple thought with me since I read that article. Honestly I'm happier when I don't worry about whether or not I'm happy. So that's interesting.

But when I started listening to the actual book it was immediately a clusterfuck. He starts off with what thinks you should do and then draws tenuous links along the path from what he assumes is the source. Please don't ban me for saying this, but it reminds me of Anita Sarkeesian in that all of his research is in pursuit of a link to a conclusion he's already made. Not the other way around.

In some places he actually has enlightening advice. About addiction, depression, anxiety, and why these problems are actual physical debilitations, not something that you can just wave away as being all in your head. You can tell where his actual expertise is—in terms of self-help and encouragement there's actually some value there.

It's when he tries to make ridiculous claims about masculinity and feminity, chaos and order, stories from the Bible and hard morality. And he somehow links this back to "pick up your bootstraps" anecdotes that have absolutely nothing to do with the psuedo-scientific bullshit that came in the preceding chapter. It must have taken some long sweaty nights trying to think of the names for the chapters because they have no relation whatsoever to their content.

The NYT review had this old saying in it but it's the perfect summary about Mr Peterson: "what's new isn't true, and what's true isn't new."

Glad that Audible takes refunds so I don't have to worry about the hours of that book I'll never listen to and can go back to inflating my John Le Carre collection.
 

Sub Boss

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It's clear that Peterson is a Christian conservative that wants a return to the 50s. In other news:

Jordan Peterson Seems Like a Terrible Therapist







I'm now firmly in the "Peterson is a charlatan" camp. This fucker is reinforcing a dude's anxiety for $200

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Had to add this part:
That would be very sad tbh, seems Peterson doesn't even care about his most loyal lobsters who give him $200 a month, who are suffering and seek help, and he just repeats the same nonsense he says every day on his free Youtube channel
 

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That would be very sad tbh, seems Peterson doesn't even care about his most loyal lobsters who give him $200 a month, who are suffering and seek help, and he just repeats the same nonsense he says every day on his free Youtube channel
He's a modern day L. Ron Hubbard.

He's Lobster Ron Hubbard, writer of the acclaimed Buckonetics and founder of Lobstertology
 

Sub Boss

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I bought his book on Audible having never heard of him outside of an article that mentioned only his views on being "happy". That is to say, that being "happy" isn't the meaning or goal of life. I thought that was an interesting take and I've carried that simple thought with me since I read that article. Honestly I'm happier when I don't worry about whether or not I'm happy. So that's interesting.
Just want to add to this based on my own experience (and listening to many others).
Happiness is a feeling, its a temporal state of being, being happy is ok, searching for happiness is also ok, obsessing over happiness is not.

Like, i didn't start to 'heal' from depression until i understood we/i are supposed to enjoy life! How easy was that? Nobody told me i was dumb.

I thought my weird depressed state was the 'normal' way of being for many years because i let myself think that and i let others make me think that.

So its about an important balance, life is not about being happy, its really about training our minds to decrease suffering, that dreadful feeling we are worthless and everything is going to hell . Decrease your suffering and you will be sane.

This is not any easy work though, but worth it, and sometimes helping others to decrease their suffering brings you happy points really thats all there is to it.
Buddhism helped a bit to clear some stuff up :P
 

Sub Boss

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He's a modern day L. Ron Hubbard.

He's Lobster Ron Hubbard, writer of the acclaimed Buckonetics and founder of Lobstertology
For some reason i keep expecting more of him,lol i think there are still a few surprises left for us before mr. Pete's career goes underground.

wishful thinking :p
 

Superking

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Kyle Kuilinski had a video up on the PC debate that just went on and his fans REALLY didn't seem to like that he sided (mostly) with Dyson over Peterson.

This is why it's important for people to understand which kinds of people they're cultivating whenever they opine about a subject like political correctness.
 

Dirtyshubb

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Cathy Newman? lol

I dont know his previous comment, that tweet was pretty old. But at this point with all his tweets its like he is trolling people into getting them to put words in his mouth. It happens all too often then he goes "I didnt say that"

Then there's a split of people that believe the words they put in his mouth and the people that go he didnt say that. Its very interesting how its all playing out.
I think you are looking at it wrong.

It's not that he is baiting people into thinking that's what he is saying, it's that he is wording it in a way him and his fans can say "I didn't actually say what you say I did" regardless of the fact logically it's the only way to interpret his statements.
 

mael

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That Peterson woud be so callous as to do fake therapy for Patreon money is all kinds of hilarious if he wasn't bilking poor people.
One more for my hell's bucket list, I never thought I'd live through a shitty Reagan presidency and that I would be on the front row to see another Ron Hubbard.

One look at his graphs was all I needed to look at to know the guy was never on the level.

e: my eyes they're going to do somersaults again, aren't they?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html
He has written about dogs being closest in behavior to humans

Oh my God, make it stop!
I'm looking more at the ceiling than the article
"You know you can say, 'Well isn't it unfortunate that chaos is represented by the feminine' — well, it might be unfortunate, but it doesn't matter because that is how it's represented. It's been represented like that forever. And there are reasons for it. You can't change it. It's not possible. This is underneath everything. If you change those basic categories, people wouldn't be human anymore. They'd be something else. They'd be transhuman or something. We wouldn't be able to talk to these new creatures."

e2 : Mr Precise speech strike again
"It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah," he says. "Why?"

It's a hard one.

"Right. That's right. You don't know. It's because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower."
I think I don't need to comment here.
 
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Neoriceisgood

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But when I started listening to the actual book it was immediately a clusterfuck. He starts off with what thinks you should do and then draws tenuous links along the path from what he assumes is the source. Please don't ban me for saying this, but it reminds me of Anita Sarkeesian in that all of his research is in pursuit of a link to a conclusion he's already made. Not the other way around.

Can you give a context as to what exactly you find similar between the two? Even if you disagree with Anita's pov, the language in her videos/material is generally fairly specific & based on academic definitions used within a feminist framework; I don't remember anything of hers exactly fitting JBP's 'imagine; dragons' nonsense & his usual motte and bailey style of arguing.

For all I know there's a similarity I missed, but just namedropping without a specific example doesn't help much.
 

mael

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That article is fucking gold mine.
But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls "equality of outcomes," or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

So Mr "Marxist are the bane of existence itself" is actually Sexual Communist for equality of outcome on matters of sexuality.

He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

Notice that he is not even sure that such an extreme measure would even solve the issue.
This is basically like guy who wants to sort cards from a set and basically throw them in the air and if they're not sorted just throw the sets and buy a new one.
Basically as efficient.

e: nyt gives a link to that Nestor guy, wonder who the guy is....
Patreon "Bridging the gap between philosophy and science" supported by Sargon of Akkad and Rubin Report on the level of 5$ a month
.................................
e2: the whole passage on Nestor is so gold it looks like something Trump designed
it's hilariously stupid
 
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RounD

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I think you are looking at it wrong.

It's not that he is baiting people into thinking that's what he is saying, it's that he is wording it in a way him and his fans can say "I didn't actually say what you say I did" regardless of the fact logically it's the only way to interpret his statements.

I'm looking at it like its crazy to say he is saying something when he is not actually saying it.
One example, the munk debator saying Peterson said women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup and to look it up on google. And when you look it up he specifically says he is not saying women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup... Like wtf is that. It all feels ridiculous, lol
 

mael

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I'm looking at it like its crazy to say he is saying something when he is not actually saying it.
One example, the munk debator saying Peterson said women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup and to look it up on google. And when you look it up he specifically says he is not saying women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup... Like wtf is that. It all feels ridiculous, lol
Because you say you're not doing something doesn't mean you're not actually doing it.
If he's arguing that women shouldn't wear make up if they don't want to be assaulted while saying 'he is not saying women shouldn't be allowed to wear make up',
it's pretty clear that he is saying something while giving himself an out.
 

danm999

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I'm looking at it like its crazy to say he is saying something when he is not actually saying it.
One example, the munk debator saying Peterson said women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup and to look it up on google. And when you look it up he specifically says he is not saying women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup... Like wtf is that. It all feels ridiculous, lol

The strategy is to get other people to blame women for causing workplace harassment. But he can claim clean hands.

Just like here he's saying the incel problem is because of a lack of monogamy.

Of course where he's fucked up this time is by using the verb enforced, meaning he's actually proscribing an action, which he is usually savvy enough to not do.

That's why this time he's had to go down the garden path of doing semantics of what "enforced" means, but even the most charitable interpretation of what it means is bad so he messed this one up.
 

Kurona

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I agree that a lot of his critics have been very quick to jump the gun, but to me that's more or less a question of their skill and tactics than their being intellectually defeated by Peterson or whatever. Just because they came at an argument very, very, very poorly does not mean they were incorrect and I think it's intellectually dishonest to look at it that way.
 

Dirtyshubb

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I'm looking at it like its crazy to say he is saying something when he is not actually saying it.
One example, the munk debator saying Peterson said women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup and to look it up on google. And when you look it up he specifically says he is not saying women shouldnt be allowed to wear makeup... Like wtf is that. It all feels ridiculous, lol
That just feels entirely pedantic, like saying 'you can't call someone a racist because they haven't said' I'm a racist' even when they go on regular tiki torch marches and talk about white culture being ruined.

Let's look at Jordans exact words:

Could "casual" sex necessitate state tyranny? The missing responsibility has to be enforced somehow...

So what does this mean, let's break it down.

Casual sex is clear, JP often promotes that society needs stable, monogamous relationships to work so anything that isnt in that framework is apparently the cause of societies downfall.

State tyranny again is clear, it's the state not following the law and doing whatever it wants to take a specific action or stop them.

He then says that the missing responsibility has to be restored somehow, meaning that the people having casual sex aren't being responsible with their actions and that someone else (the government) need to step in and force them to be responsible.

So when you look at it as a whole, you essentially have :

'if people won't stop fucking around and settle down into monogamous relationships then the government might need to step in and force them to comply'

Interpreting it in any other way is either a complete failure of logic or a outright lie.
 

raterpillar

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Im sure you feel it is. I have no idea what he means though. So I'm not going to put words in his mouth. It would be nice to get clarification. Could casual sex necessitate state tyranny? Like wtf, I have no idea what that question is about. Or the other part, The missing responsibility has to be enforced somehow...

If true though it would be interesting to see him talk his way around not wanting government involvement with the Canadian bill vs wanting the government to punish casual sex. lol
"Im sure you feel it is" lol, you toadie. There's no other conclusion. He said something monumentally shitty, got criticised for it, then said 'nuh uh, i totally didn't mean that!' - when everyone with two working brain cells to rub together could tell he did - then someone dragged up a tweet from a bit over a year ago which shows that, yeah, he totally meant that. Lucky for Jordy he has people like you who have convinced themselves it's actually really smart to pretend like you're an idiot when pushed into a corner. Have some self respect.
 

Kurona

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Let's not pretend like Peterson's wording isn't intentionally vague and obtuse to obscure meaning and allow for plausible deniability. And let's also not pretend that this means the only people who will use that plausible deniability are his far-right fanboys; one of the advantages of this type of language is that it makes it a little bit more appealing to those on the fence.
 

Dehnus

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Because you say you're not doing something doesn't mean you're not actually doing it.
If he's arguing that women shouldn't wear make up if they don't want to be assaulted while saying 'he is not saying women shouldn't be allowed to wear make up',
it's pretty clear that he is saying something while giving himself an out.
Language: Invented to make it easier for these primates to converse with eachother, and further their collective development, it rocketed communication forward.
Lawyers: Invented to use Language to again hide things in obstuse and obscure manners, at first seemingly incompatible with Language, but somehow these primates made it work.


No he isn't a Lawyer, but he sure as hell tries to talk like an amateur one that can't keep his nose out of the LOTR trilogy rather than a Book of law..
 
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