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Crushed

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,720
My current hurdle is the fights. Once you realize there's always someone making a "!" expression, there's no turning back.

Don't know what you're talking about

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(those two pictures represent two chapters of the manga)
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,068
Cell makes no sense. The entire reason he set up the Cell Games was to find a true challenge, and even if we assume that he's being disingenuous about that--that what he really wants is to prove to everyone that a real challenge doesn't exist, and basically he wants recognition above all else--it doesn't make any sense for him to say, "I guess I lose I'll just cheat in a very obvious and spectacular way". To do that he would have to not only admit that he's inferior, but demonstrate the fact to everyone present, which is clearly contrary to his motivation. How should Cell die? He should die bull-headedly trying to win an unwinnable fight because he can't conceive of being beaten, but he shouldn't attempt to cheat, at least not in a way that would be obvious.

Cell's also the guy who built up a fighting stage for his fancy schmancy tournament, then decided against it in the middle of using it and blew it up. He's also the guy who goaded Gohan into drawing out his full power after having demonstrated that Vegeta can be manipulated by that same arrogance. He's not really the calculating type - if anything, its Super Buu ("Why do you think I didn't regenerate this?") who thinks two steps ahead.
 

Sanox

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,562
Toyotaro: "Time to get to work"
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It happens. Probably shouldn't when you work in a professional environment but he liked the pose and used it. Should have just referenced it instead of tracing over it though
 

Secret Fawful

Member
Oct 25, 2017
954
USA
Jesus, he didn't even pick a good piece of art to trace. To be fair, though, I just don't like the colors on the Cap art.
 
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Fj0823

Legendary Duelist
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,666
Costa Rica
Cell's also the guy who built up a fighting stage for his fancy schmancy tournament, then decided against it in the middle of using it and blew it up. He's also the guy who goaded Gohan into drawing out his full power after having demonstrated that Vegeta can be manipulated by that same arrogance. He's not really the calculating type - if anything, its Super Buu ("Why do you think I didn't regenerate this?") who thinks two steps ahead.
Wait what, I did not write that
 

Imperfected

Member
Nov 9, 2017
11,737
It's strongly encouraged to use models (or photos, more often, in modernity) as a basis for poses and anatomy. Most professional production artists use a ton of reference materials.

Straight-up tracing someone else's art... not so much.
 

SageShinigami

Member
Oct 27, 2017
30,478
But the power levels! He explains them instead of writing actual dialogue! It's all good.

This is one more on a big list of problems fans have with Toyotaro

You've got your (really, really awful) anime, so I don't know why you're so obsessed with mocking the manga.

I mean, I think 90 percent of the Super anime is garbage (making Vegeta look like a loser vs. Hit, other issues) but I don't really bring it up until I see stuff like your post lol.
 

Nightbird

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,780
Germany
Lol, some people on reddit are out there defending it, saying it's not an actual trace because not everything is copied. Well duh, he's drawing Goku and not Captain America after all.
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,206
The actual image on the cover has that weird thumb (and entire hand) fixed. If he never presented the sketch I wonder how obvious it would have been.
 

Cordy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,352
Super manga out here tracing comics while the Super anime out here tracing Vegeta's same speech 4 times in 5 episodes lmao.

Super just keeps taking that L.
 

BeeKaine

Banned
Apr 21, 2018
736
I don't think you know what a joke is bruh.

Jokes are supposed to be funny.

Like on a serious, critical note, the "joke" doesn't actually work because a quote-on-quote professional tracing an art from another professional is entirely different than the story repeating itself somewhat. The joke doesn't make sense, and it's not funny.

You literally could've just said "Super sucks" and I would've actually ignored you.
 

Cordy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,352
Jokes are supposed to be funny.

Like on a serious, critical note, the "joke" doesn't actually work because a quote-on-quote professional tracing an art from another professional is entirely different than the story repeating itself somewhat. The joke doesn't make sense, and it's not funny.

You literally could've just said "Super sucks" and I would've actually ignored you.
Bruh, you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too sensitive about people's comments on Super. It's not that serious. What kind of person actually tries to break down what a joke is when someone says that something is a joke?

Yall Super Saviors need to take that S off your chests lmao.
 

Gundam

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
12,801
American comics win again

But for real, I'm both not surprised, because it's the medium of comics, but really surprised, since both of these are pretty high profile works. Surely someone is going to notice, so why try it?
 

mrmoose

Member
Nov 13, 2017
21,206
American comics win again

But for real, I'm both not surprised, because it's the medium of comics, but really surprised, since both of these are pretty high profile works. Surely someone is going to notice, so why try it?

the published version is a bit different, so much so that I doubt you'd even notice. Even if you were the biggest Captain Marvel fan in the world.

In fact, I'd say he traced the outline of that drawing, then changed the details, hands, and face significantly (in the final drawing at least). He shouldn't have done it, but I can see why some don't think it's a big deal (the ones that like him) and others do (usually the ones that hate him and want him off of Super).
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,192
Don't know what you're talking about

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(those two pictures represent two chapters of the manga)
Kurumada did the same in Saint Seiya, specially during the final Hades arc. EVERY chapter, someone goes "WAIT, IS..?" or "!!" in a big, black, splattered dialogue balloon and you have to turn the page to discover what is going on. So exciting.
 

NeonZ

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 28, 2017
9,379
Isn't this the kind of shit that can single-handedly destroy a manga author's career? Why even risk it?

The pose of the final cover was tweaked in several ways. The big issue is that he posted his initial sketch for the cover on twitter and that sketch had actual line-by-line tracing at parts.
 

Lulu

Saw the truth behind the copied door
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
26,680
Can we get some Nick Simmons in this thread?
 

Fuzzery

Member
Oct 25, 2017
489
As long as it looks good, as a consumer, I don't really care tbh, if it helps them release faster, great!