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Nov 30, 2017
2,750
CG was mostly out of this world (esp after Black Panther) but good god at those two shitty Banner-in-Hulkbuster composite shots. How did that get past anyone?

Saw it last night and overall, really enjoyed it. Far more than I thought I would. Still riding the high, but most of my annoyance just comes from how fickle/short-sighted some of the characters are. I get it, them being human/flawed/overvaluing their relationships and empathy is what separates them from Thanos, but SW should have axed Vision the moment they fully realized that yes, this guy can wipe out half the population. Dr. Strange should have gone hiding in spacetime somewhere, maybe grab a drink for a few eternities with Dormammu. Gamora gives up a stone location to save one fucking person??? What the fuck?

Gamora's death scene really personified how stupid that character was in this movie. lol you really thought Thanos was crying because he didn't have a soul to sacrifice? It was you the whole time, you idiot.

Anyway, it might be my favorite MCU movie. Definitely top three. Always knew Thor was my fav, this just confirms it. Most heartbroken about Drax, dude made me laugh almost every scene he was in. Peter's was the most powerful. So many people died that I thought "nah, no way" and others lived that I didn't care for (BW, Tony, although Tony has become far more interesting to me since Civil War).

Why would Gamora expect Thanos to care about anyone especially since she's been witnessing him torture people her whole life? Even her own sister? Her laughing at Thanos at that moment made total sense. In her mind he failed because she could never fathom him loving anybody.

You make it seem easy that you would be able to kill your own mother, brother, sister, lover, child. I'll tell you one thing, If I had to chooose killing the universe or killing my loved one. I would never be able to kill somebody and live with myself. So hopefully I don't ever have to deal with it. Maybe you got a cold heart and can do it, but I guarantee you 99% of the people couldn't do it. So let's just hope that the universe's existence doesn't count on me.

Maybe if I had to let somebody die I could turn away and then go commit suicide because I would be way overthrown with guilt, but to actually pull the trigger and murder somebody myself no way I'd be able to do it.

Dr Strange has to protect the Sanctum Sanctorums from other dimensional threats. He can't abandon his post forever since he is the most powerful sorcerer on Earth.

Gamora and Nebula made up in GotG2. That was character development, she spent her whole life trying to survive at the expense of her sister getting tortured, she couldn't take watching her get tortured anymore, as she realized that Nebula actually did love her.
 

Yasuke

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,817
CG was mostly out of this world (esp after Black Panther) but good god at those two shitty Banner-in-Hulkbuster composite shots. How did that get past anyone?

Saw it last night and overall, really enjoyed it. Far more than I thought I would. Still riding the high, but most of my annoyance just comes from how fickle/short-sighted some of the characters are. I get it, them being human/flawed/overvaluing their relationships and empathy is what separates them from Thanos, but SW should have axed Vision the moment they fully realized that yes, this guy can wipe out half the population. Dr. Strange should have gone hiding in spacetime somewhere, maybe grab a drink for a few eternities with Dormammu. Gamora gives up a stone location to save one fucking person??? What the fuck?

Gamora's death scene really personified how stupid that character was in this movie. lol you really thought Thanos was crying because he didn't have a soul to sacrifice? It was you the whole time, you idiot.

Anyway, it might be my favorite MCU movie. Definitely top three. Always knew Thor was my fav, this just confirms it. Most heartbroken about Drax, dude made me laugh almost every scene he was in. Peter's was the most powerful. So many people died that I thought "nah, no way" and others lived that I didn't care for (BW, Tony, although Tony has become far more interesting to me since Civil War).

I'll never understand people wanting their heroes to suddenly become extremely comfortable with killing folks (especially those people that matter to them) to defeat an enemy when there might be another way.

About as weird as people wanting the heroes to die in every other movie. What the fuck is the point, then?
 

Yasuke

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,817
Did "Kick Names, Take ass" with Tony Stark's reaction get a reaction in your theaters?

Hell yes. The man was finna have a stroke lmfao

Why can't he just tell Bifrost to take him to Banner?

Also possible.

None of us know what the fuck happened. Waving it away as "Magic?" is just my default, especially since I doubt Heimdall knew to send Banner to Strange. Seems like they just let the Bifrost do what it needed to.
 

pharmboy044

Member
Oct 27, 2017
253
Just saw this last night. I thought it was pretty good. I just rewatched a couple of trailers and noticed that the Hulk was in Wakanda but not actually in the movie. Do we know what happened? Did they change the script so that they can create another story thread between Bruce Banner and the Hulk?
 

xxracerxx

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
31,222
Just saw this last night. I thought it was pretty good. I just rewatched a couple of trailers and noticed that the Hulk was in Wakanda but not actually in the movie. Do we know what happened? Did they change the script so that they can create another story thread between Bruce Banner and the Hulk?
Marvel likes to do those slight edits to surprise people and it is greatly appreciated.
 

Landawng

The Fallen
Nov 9, 2017
3,254
Denver/Aurora, CO
I'm watching Thor: Ragnarok and I love this movie more and more every time I see it. I think it might be my fav Marvel film at this point. It fucking breaks my heart so many of the great characters this movie introduced were wiped out in a matter of minutes in IW especially Korg and Valkerie. I mean I get it but still, I'm gonna miss em
 

Playco Armboy

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
3,406
Best line of Thanos, which is it?

Man, he has so many fucking good ones. I can't think of a single throwaway one. Even his "C'mon!" growl when Tony fired missiles at him was badass as hell.
 

Squiggely

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,142
I'm watching Thor: Ragnarok and I love this movie more and more every time I see it. I think it might be my fav Marvel film at this point. It fucking breaks my heart so many of the great characters this movie introduced were wiped out in a matter of minutes in IW especially Korg and Valkerie. I mean I get it but still, I'm gonna miss em

Korg and Valkyrie, neither had a death scene.

They are not even in the film.
 

Khanimus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
40,229
Greater Vancouver
I'm watching Thor: Ragnarok and I love this movie more and more every time I see it. I think it might be my fav Marvel film at this point. It fucking breaks my heart so many of the great characters this movie introduced were wiped out in a matter of minutes in IW especially Korg and Valkerie. I mean I get it but still, I'm gonna miss em
Half the Asgardians were allowed to escape. Korg and Valkyrie were likely among them. They weren't going to permanently off those characters so soon.
 
Oct 25, 2017
32,301
Atlanta GA
Best line of Thanos, which is it?

Man, he has so many fucking good ones. I can't think of a single throwaway one. Even his "C'mon!" growl when Tony fired missiles at him was badass as hell.

Maybe not my favorite but I love his delivery on "It'll be a waste of parts!" to Nebula.

I guess my favorite is the "I hope they remember you" bit. I 100% love everything Thanos says and does in this movie.
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
42,659
https://youtu.be/31hGnh7elAU?t=32m23s

AVENGERS 4:
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Soupman Prime

The Fallen
Nov 8, 2017
8,575
Boston, MA
Best line of Thanos, which is it?

Man, he has so many fucking good ones. I can't think of a single throwaway one. Even his "C'mon!" growl when Tony fired missiles at him was badass as hell.
Didn't memorize it but it was the very beginning during his lil speech. Just something about Destiny is here and he said "Or should I say I am". I just thought he just oozed badass with that line.
 

Anton Sugar

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,946
Why would Gamora expect Thanos to care about anyone especially since she's been witnessing him torture people her whole life? Even her own sister? Her laughing at Thanos at that moment made total sense. In her mind he failed because she could never fathom him loving anybody.

You make it seem easy that you would be able to kill your own mother, brother, sister, lover, child. I'll tell you one thing, If I had to chooose killing the universe or killing my loved one. I would never be able to kill somebody and live with myself. So hopefully I don't ever have to deal with it. Maybe you got a cold heart and can do it, but I guarantee you 99% of the people couldn't do it. So let's just hope that the universe's existence doesn't count on me.

Maybe if I had to let somebody die I could turn away and then go commit suicide because I would be way overthrown with guilt, but to actually pull the trigger and murder somebody myself no way I'd be able to do it.

I'll never understand people wanting their heroes to suddenly become extremely comfortable with killing folks (especially those people that matter to them) to defeat an enemy when there might be another way.

Oh please. I never said it had to be an easy thing to do, but yeah, choosing between half the souls in the universe and the soul of a robot person should be a pretty easy choice. Vision was absolutely right. There can be fallout from that decision, there are interesting ways to explore those kinds of decisions without it automatically being "wow, you must be a cold-hearted psycho who can kill your mom easily" (give me a break, dude). These are superheroes, they understand the threat, they're the ones who are best-equipped to handle decisions like these. There are plenty of characters who come from war backgrounds and/or have been involved in scenarios where they understand the power and necessity of sacrifice.

It didn't help that the Vision-SW romance sorta just became a "thing" and is one of the least developed relationships in the MCU.

I grant that giving up your sister to be killed would be extremely difficult, but I guess everything about that situation just sat poorly with me. Gamora, at the very least, knows that Thanos thinks he has emotions for her. He did take her in as a daughter and, from the few scenes we see, he had a tenderness for her even though she was his captor. When she laughed at him not having a soul to sacrifice, it just made her look stupid. Open your damned eyes.

Is there a TL:DW Cliff notes version of this because I can't stand that interviewer.

Yeah, fuck that guy, jeeze.
 

Yasuke

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,817
Oh please. I never said it had to be an easy thing to do, but yeah, choosing between half the souls in the universe and the soul of a robot person should be a pretty easy choice. Vision was absolutely right. There can be fallout from that decision, there are interesting ways to explore those kinds of decisions without it automatically being "wow, you must be a cold-hearted psycho who can kill your mom easily" (give me a break, dude). These are superheroes, they understand the threat, they're the ones who are best-equipped to handle decisions like these. There are plenty of characters who come from war backgrounds and/or have been involved in scenarios where they understand the power and necessity of sacrifice.

It didn't help that the Vision-SW romance sorta just became a "thing" and is one of the least developed relationships in the MCU.

I grant that giving up your sister to be killed would be extremely difficult, but I guess everything about that situation just sat poorly with me. Gamora, at the very least, knows that Thanos thinks he has emotions for her. He did take her in as a daughter and, from the few scenes we see, he had a tenderness for her even though she was his captor. When she laughed at him not having a soul to sacrifice, it just made her look stupid. Open your damned eyes.

By your logic, Cap should've jumped to sacrificing the Sokovians in Age of Ultron when the team still had a bit of a handle on the situation.

Wanda made the move when it was time to make the move (when they'd fought and lost and all else had failed). I assume the team didn't know about the Time Stone, or at least not how potent it was since Bruce could've told them a bit about it.

If the heroes jump to sacrificing people willy nilly when they might still win the fight some other way, what's the point of these stories? Their heroes. They fight first, and sacrifice only when it's absolutely necessary to do so. Halfway into Infinity War, killing Vision did not seem like the appropriate move for the team when they might've still fought and won the day.

This is an incredibly stupid thing to be annoyed about.
 

Dr Zhivago

Member
Oct 27, 2017
338
Battlestar Potemkin
Is there a TL:DW Cliff notes version of this because I can't stand that interviewer.

Let's see what I remember.

Thanos could beat Hulk without the gauntlet.
Stormbreaker can overpower the gauntlet because Eitri designed them both - they reference Mads Mikkelson in Rogue One.
Sounds like they considered a Luke Cage cameo.
There was a much longer scene of Tony & Pepper in the park with lots of cameos.
Early draft had Spidey meeting Black Widow, & Rocket meeting Scarlet Witch.
Thanos was severely injured by the snap.
Red Skull was always planned, confirmed the Tesseract was originally a Cosmic Cube.
 

guek

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,177
Oh please. I never said it had to be an easy thing to do, but yeah, choosing between half the souls in the universe and the soul of a robot person should be a pretty easy choice. Vision was absolutely right. There can be fallout from that decision, there are interesting ways to explore those kinds of decisions without it automatically being "wow, you must be a cold-hearted psycho who can kill your mom easily" (give me a break, dude). These are superheroes, they understand the threat, they're the ones who are best-equipped to handle decisions like these. There are plenty of characters who come from war backgrounds and/or have been involved in scenarios where they understand the power and necessity of sacrifice.

It didn't help that the Vision-SW romance sorta just became a "thing" and is one of the least developed relationships in the MCU.

I grant that giving up your sister to be killed would be extremely difficult, but I guess everything about that situation just sat poorly with me. Gamora, at the very least, knows that Thanos thinks he has emotions for her. He did take her in as a daughter and, from the few scenes we see, he had a tenderness for her even though she was his captor. When she laughed at him not having a soul to sacrifice, it just made her look stupid. Open your damned eyes.

Re:Vision
It's pretty clear that even though he's artificial, the entire team considers Vision to be a real life worth saving. You can't assess the team's judgement without first acknowledging that. It makes sense that they'd at least TRY to save him rather than immediately jump at the easy solution of killing him. They don't know how much time they have until the Black Order is literally knocking on Wakanda's door. Even then, why would they jump to killing Vision? They don't know whether or not the shield will hold. They also only know of Proxima and Black Dwarf. Maybe they could have killed him once the enemy's army started to press the shield but is there any guarantee that would stop the assault? There's no reason to believe the Black Order wouldn't burn Wakanda to the ground searching for Vision's body anyway or in search of some way of reconstructing the stone.

Basically, once they committed to trying to save Vision, they were all in. They never got a chance to reverse that decision until Thanos himself showed up.

Re:Gamora
I get the annoyance over her not seeing she would be the sacrifice but I think it's only obvious as a spectator who knows Thanos is going to get the stone eventually. From her point of view, she has every reason to believe Thanos is incapable of love. She even says "this isn't love" moments before she's killed. She knows she's his favorite daughter but the dude is a remorseless tyrant so I wouldn't assume that equates to love. I believe the enjoyment in watching the scene comes from knowing Gamora is about to die, knowing she doesn't realize it yet, and getting to see it dawn on her. Saldana absolutely killed it in this movie and completely sells the scene.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,772
Superheroes don't trade lives - and I specifically mean "superheroes." I mean characters like Captain America and Superman (not the Synder bastardization). Trading lives is the realm of the "antihero." Cap always tries to save those who deserve to be saved. And in most superhero stories, the hero is victorious not in spite of their moral inflexibility, but specifically because of it. That's the genius of this film. The heroes do everything that they're supposed to. They make the right decisions. But they still lose. Horribly.

It's easy to forget that this is epic/fantasy storytelling, not science fiction. The legend of these heroes and their moral code is a critical part of how the stories unfold. The fact that they were not rewarded for doing the right thing and in fact were punished is a fascinating subversion of expectations.

Think of the first Raimi Spider-Man film, in which Peter is given precisely the same moral choice on a much much smaller scale, and through heroism and self sacrifice he is rescued from imminent defeat in which *everyone* was sure to die and instead defeats the Goblin because he chose not to play the "trading lives" game at all. This is the complete subversion of that, where the heroes do everything right according to the tropes and expectations of the genre and fail cataclysmically.
 

jph139

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,386
Taken alone, I think Infinity War's message is "when facing an unassailable problem, you have to make sacrifices" - Thanos is the only one who's willing to sacrifice someone he cares about in order to achieve his goal, and he's the one who succeeds in the end end.* Loki can't sacrifice Thor, Gamora can't sacrifice Nebula, Wanda can't sacrifice Vision until it's too late. One by one Thanos collects the gems because no one is able to look at the bigger picture.

I'm curious how Avengers 4 will follow up on that, though. I originally assumed they'd pull a cheesy "no, it's our unwillingness to bend that makes us strong!" moral at the end, but the synopsis mentions learning to make sacrifices, so they might actually follow through with the logic of the first - that sometimes, there's no way to save everyone.

*Quill DOES pull the trigger on Gamora, but they specifically mention that in the original script he doesn't. So in this case they traded a little thematic consistency in favor of character consistency. The Strange thing on its face is in-line with the theme, but there's obviously some weirdness with his motivation, so I'd put it aside for now.
 

Yasuke

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
19,817
Taken alone, I think Infinity War's message is "when facing an unassailable problem, you have to make sacrifices" - Thanos is the only one who's willing to sacrifice someone he cares about in order to achieve his goal, and he's the one who succeeds in the end end.* Loki can't sacrifice Thor, Gamora can't sacrifice Nebula, Wanda can't sacrifice Vision until it's too late. One by one Thanos collects the gems because no one is able to look at the bigger picture.

I'm curious how Avengers 4 will follow up on that, though. I originally assumed they'd pull a cheesy "no, it's our unwillingness to bend that makes us strong!" moral at the end, but the synopsis mentions learning to make sacrifices, so they might actually follow through with the logic of the first - that sometimes, there's no way to save everyone.

*Quill DOES pull the trigger on Gamora, but they specifically mention that in the original script he doesn't. So in this case they traded a little thematic consistency in favor of character consistency. The Strange thing on its face is in-line with the theme, but there's obviously some weirdness with his motivation, so I'd put it aside for now.

Yep. Strange and Quill were the only ones willing to make sacrifices, and Quill effectively countered his out when he knocked Thanos upside the head. Thor couldn't even sacrifice his opportunity to gloat to finish the job.

I suppose Viz was willing to sacrifice himself too though. Okoye and T'Challa seemed cool sacrificing Wakanda for the greater good as well.

But all in all, the heroes are pretty damn rigid when it comes to making the call. Which I get up to a point. Wanda should've waited till she knew all was lost, but it being too late was only because Thanos ended up with the Time Stone. He always would've ended up with the Mind Stone because of that.
 

NeroPaige

Member
Jan 8, 2018
1,709
I'm watching Thor: Ragnarok and I love this movie more and more every time I see it. I think it might be my fav Marvel film at this point. It fucking breaks my heart so many of the great characters this movie introduced were wiped out in a matter of minutes in IW especially Korg and Valkerie. I mean I get it but still, I'm gonna miss em
korg was that rock guy from ragnarok right?

he died? I don't even remember him in IW.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,729
USA
It's been confirmed by the Russo brothers that Valkyrie is alive and with the half of the Asgardians that Thanos spared. My guess is they are on the other half of the destroyed ship or in escape pods or something.

They haven't officially mentioned that Korg is with them Feige did mention they have future plans for both Korg and Miek which means they either escaped and survived the snap or when everything gets reversed (if it even does) they'll be back.
 

Ketch

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,291
Ok just saw the movie finally and I have a couple questions before I read anyone else's reactions:

Why was there no Hawkeye in this movie? He's my favorite normie.

Also, was that ms.marvels logo at the end on the pager? Like the bracers of power ms.marvel? Like the ms.marvel who's in love with a lesbian dragon?

Is every marvel movie after this now gonna have to deal with half the worlds population disappearing?


My initial reaction to the movie: too long & what and ending!
 

Alexandros

Member
Oct 26, 2017
17,815
Ok just saw the movie finally and I have a couple questions before I read anyone else's reactions:

Why was there no Hawkeye in this movie? He's my favorite normie.

Also, was that ms.marvels logo at the end on the pager? Like the bracers of power ms.marvel? Like the ms.marvel who's in love with a lesbian dragon?

Is every marvel movie after this now gonna have to deal with half the worlds population disappearing?


My initial reaction to the movie: too long & what and ending!

Hawkeye is on house arrest after Civil War, he'll play a bigger part in 4. The logo was Captain Marvel's. The next two movies take place before Infinity War.
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

user requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
8,958
Yep. Strange and Quill were the only ones willing to make sacrifices, and Quill effectively countered his out when he knocked Thanos upside the head. Thor couldn't even sacrifice his opportunity to gloat to finish the job.

I watched it again recently and to be fair I think Thor thought Thanos was entirely finished.

He came so very close. :(