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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...-makes-first-contact/544131/?single_page=true
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Last January, the Chinese Academy of Sciences invited Liu Cixin, China's preeminent science-fiction writer, to visit its new state-of-the-art radio dish in the country's southwest. Almost twice as wide as the dish at America's Arecibo Observatory, in the Puerto Rican jungle, the new Chinese dish is the largest in the world, if not the universe. Though it is sensitive enough to detect spy satellites even when they're not broadcasting, its main uses will be scientific, including an unusual one: The dish is Earth's first flagship observatory custom-built to listen for a message from an extraterrestrial intelligence. If such a sign comes down from the heavens during the next decade, China may well hear it first.
No civilization should ever announce its presence to the cosmos, he says. Any other civilization that learns of its existence will perceive it as a threat to expand—as all civilizations do, eliminating their competitors until they encounter one with superior technology and are themselves eliminated. This grim cosmic outlook is called "dark-forest theory," because it conceives of every civilization in the universe as a hunter hiding in a moonless woodland, listening for the first rustlings of a rival.
The search for extraterrestrial intelligence (seti) is often derided as a kind of religious mysticism, even within the scientific community. Nearly a quarter century ago, the United States Congress defunded America's seti program with a budget amendment proposed by Senator Richard Bryan of Nevada, who said he hoped it would "be the end of Martian-hunting season at the taxpayer's expense." That's one reason it is China, and not the United States, that has built the first world-class radio observatory with seti as a core scientific goal.
In 2015, the Russian billionaire Yuri Milner poured $100 million of his own cash into a new seti program led by scientists at UC Berkeley. The team performs more seti observations in a single day than took place during entire years just a decade ago. In 2016, Milner sank another $100 million into an interstellar-probe mission. A beam from a giant laser array, to be built in the Chilean high desert, will wallop dozens of wafer-thin probes more than four light-years to the Alpha Centauri system, to get a closer look at its planets. Milner told me the probes' cameras might be able to make out individual continents. The Alpha Centauri team modeled the radiation that such a beam would send out into space, and noticed striking similarities to the mysterious "fast radio bursts" that Earth's astronomers keep detecting, which suggests the possibility that they are caused by similar giant beams, powering similar probes elsewhere in the cosmos.

Andrew Siemion, the leader of Milner's seti team, is actively looking into this possibility. He visited the Chinese dish while it was still under construction, to lay the groundwork for joint observations and to help welcome the Chinese team into a growing network of radio observatories that will cooperate on seti research, including new facilities in Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. When I joined Siemion for overnight seti observations at a radio observatory in West Virginia last fall, he gushed about the Chinese dish. He said it was the world's most sensitive telescope in the part of the radio spectrum that is "classically considered to be the most probable place for an extraterrestrial transmitter."
The week before, Liu and I had visited a stargazing site of a much older vintage. In 1442, after the Ming dynasty moved China's capital to Beijing, the emperor broke ground on a new observatory near the Forbidden City. More than 40 feet high, the elegant, castlelike structure came to house China's most precious astronomical instruments.

No civilization on Earth has a longer continuous tradition of astronomy than China, whose earliest emperors drew their political legitimacy from the sky, in the form of a "mandate of heaven." More than 3,500 years ago, China's court astronomers pressed pictograms of cosmic events into tortoiseshells and ox bones. One of these "oracle bones" bears the earliest known record of a solar eclipse. It was likely interpreted as an omen of catastrophe, perhaps an ensuing invasion.

Liu and I sat at a black-marble table in the old observatory's stone courtyard. Centuries-old pines towered overhead, blocking the hazy sunlight that poured down through Beijing's yellow, polluted sky. Through a round, red portal at the courtyard's edge, a staircase led up to a turretlike observation platform, where a line of ancient astronomical devices stood, including a giant celestial globe supported by slithering bronze dragons. The starry globe was stolen in 1900, after an eight-country alliance stormed Beijing to put down the Boxer Rebellion. Troops from Germany and France flooded into the courtyard where Liu and I were sitting, and made off with 10 of the observatory's prized instruments.

The instruments were eventually returned, but the sting of the incident lingered. Chinese schoolchildren are still taught to think of this general period as the "century of humiliation," the nadir of China's long fall from its Ming-dynasty peak. Back when the ancient observatory was built, China could rightly regard itself as the lone survivor of the great Bronze Age civilizations, a class that included the Babylonians, the Mycenaeans, and even the ancient Egyptians. Western poets came to regard the latter's ruins as Ozymandian proof that nothing lasted. But China had lasted. Its emperors presided over the planet's largest complex social organization. They commanded tribute payments from China's neighbors, whose rulers sent envoys to Beijing to perform a baroque face-to-the-ground bowing ceremony for the emperors' pleasure.
Only recently has China regained its geopolitical might, after opening to the world during Deng Xiaoping's 1980s reign. Deng evinced a near-religious reverence for science and technology, a sentiment that is undimmed in Chinese culture today. The country is on pace to outspend the United States on R&D this decade, but the quality of its research varies a great deal. According to one study, even at China's most prestigious academic institutions, a third of scientific papers are faked or plagiarized. Knowing how poorly the country's journals are regarded, Chinese universities are reportedly offering bonuses of up to six figures to researchers who publish in Western journals.
China has learned the hard way that spectacular scientific achievements confer prestige upon nations. The "Celestial Kingdom" looked on from the sidelines as Russia flung the first satellite and human being into space, and then again when American astronauts spiked the Stars and Stripes into the lunar crust.

China has largely focused on the applied sciences. It built the world's fastest supercomputer, spent heavily on medical research, and planted a "great green wall" of forests in its northwest as a last-ditch effort to halt the Gobi Desert's spread. Now China is bringing its immense resources to bear on the fundamental sciences. The country plans to build an atom smasher that will conjure thousands of "god particles" out of the ether, in the same time it took cern's Large Hadron Collider to strain out a handful. It is also eyeing Mars. In the technopoetic idiom of the 21st century, nothing would symbolize China's rise like a high-definition shot of a Chinese astronaut setting foot on the red planet. Nothing except, perhaps, first contact.
Siemion told me he's especially excited to survey dense star fields at the center of the galaxy. "It's a very interesting place for an advanced civilization to situate itself," he said. The sheer number of stars and the presence of a supermassive black hole make for ideal conditions "if you want to slingshot a bunch of probes around the galaxy." Siemion's receiver will train its sensitive algorithms on billions of wavelengths, across billions of stars, looking for a beacon.
If civilizations are indeed silent hunters, we might be wise to hone in on this "leakage" radiation. Many of the night sky's stars might be surrounded by faint halos of leakage, each a fading artifact of a civilization's first blush with radio technology, before it recognized the risk and turned off its detectable transmitters. Previous observatories could search only a handful of stars for this radiation. China's dish has the sensitivity to search tens of thousands.
Liu told me that first contact would lead to a human conflict, if not a world war. This is a popular trope in science fiction. In last year's Oscar-nominated film Arrival, the sudden appearance of an extraterrestrial intelligence inspires
the formation of apocalyptic cults
and
nearly triggers a war between world powers
anxious to gain an edge in the race to understand the alien's messages. There is also real-world evidence for Liu's pessimism: When Orson Welles's "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast simulating an alien invasion was replayed in Ecuador in 1949, a riot broke out, resulting in the deaths of six people. "We have fallen into conflicts over things that are much easier to solve," Liu told me.
 
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If aliens are intelligent enough to communicate with humans and/or master FTL travel, they're not going to be fooled by tribal nationalism. Or they'll destroy everyone starting with China.
 

Akira86

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yeah if aliens are dumb enough to be all like "oh, yeah we talked to China first, they're our Earth boyfriends now, not you, America." I'd just rather not have contact with them at all.
 

AztecComplex

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The same thing that happened to the natives that made first contact with Columbus' conquistadors: get fucking slaughtered and/or enslaved.
 

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I Wonder If aliens exist, If the reason they dont make contact its because we are primitives or something, or if its because we are too Far or we are the most advanced planet with life
 

Dan

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We all breathe a collective sigh of relief that the first thing alien life doesn't see of this planet and it's civilization is Donald fucking Trump.
 

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Alien Message Received:
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Translation:
So, let me get the Orange Chicken with a side order of Kung-Pao chicken and some Chow-Mein. Yo, glorbtguzrobt! You want something, too? I'm telling you, brezethan, best Earth food in the sector. You sure you don't want nothing? Because I'm not sharing.
 

iAmPossum

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It depends. Do these aliens care about our feelings? If not, get ready to be probed in the ass.
 

Petrapan

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Everyone involved should be forced to read the Liu Cixiun trilogy and
learn to stop trying to contact the aliens
 
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I wonder how a landing spot would be chosen for peaceful first contact. Part of me think some heavily populated and dense place, maybe thinking it would be the most important city in the world or something. Like, Mumbai.
 

Cream

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Absolutely positive that an alien species with the ability to contact and communicate with us would not give a shit about our arbitrary national boundaries.
 

DonShula

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As an American I'd prefer another country make first contact as long as Trump is in office.
 

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Alien Message Received:
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Translation:
So, let me get the Orange Chicken with a side order of Kung-Pao chicken and some Chow-Mein. Yo, glorbtguzrobt! You want something, too? I'm telling you, brezethan, best Earth food in the sector. You sure you don't want nothing? Because I'm not sharing.
Why are Japanese people ordering Chinese food from space?
 
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I don't think aliens would bother to learn to speak Chinese when English is much easier to learn. As far as I know, there has been very few alien encounters in China. In the US, even one of our Presidents and members of Congress have seen UFOs. I think one Chinese lumberjack fucked an alien a few years ago and that's it.
 

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Alien Message Received:
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Translation:
So, let me get the Orange Chicken with a side order of Kung-Pao chicken and some Chow-Mein. Yo, glorbtguzrobt! You want something, too? I'm telling you, brezethan, best Earth food in the sector. You sure you don't want nothing? Because I'm not sharing.
Thanks for reminding me I'm going to die long before intergalactic cuisine festivals become a thing.
 

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Yeah Alien contact, great.

If Aliens show up it'd be like the movie Avatar. Except us humans are those blue assholes. And instead of doing that hippy shit around a tree, we'll be murdering each other.

And instead of finding ways to interact with us. The aliens won't even deem it necessary to even talk to us at all. Why bother? What knowledge do we have that a space folding race don't?

No the Aliens would ignore us and extract all our resources and move on.
 

Digital

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If aliens are intelligent enough to communicate with humans and/or master FTL travel, they're not going to be fooled by tribal nationalism. Or they'll destroy everyone starting with China.
Tribal nationalism isn't going anywhere unless some world power literally takes over the world and enacts some form of mass genocide similar to what the Nazis had planned. A homogeneous humanity would have to be fascist in nature.
 

MrConbon210

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I always would find it hilarious that if aliens were real, they would just be us who managed to start a civilization on some other planet.

They come to visit us and they're just like, "Hey guys I'm Steve and this is Dan. Did you catch that episode of Game of Thrones last night? Crazy shit."

We would all be so let down and mad that we finally found aliens but they were just more humans who lived somewhere else. Not some really advanced other species.

...I'm really high right now
 

Foxshot

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First impression means pretty much death or life in a situation like First Contact. I imagine that China would go in plain with no big celebration just in case the Aliens are prone to getting angry quickly. Also mass disintegration is also on the cards if the Aliens deem us useless.
 

barit

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Everyone involved should be forced to read the Liu Cixiun trilogy and
learn to stop trying to contact the aliens

Why? Because they could travel billions of light years for a job that we're already doing? Mankind doesn't need evil aliens to kill itself or the planet we're living on. Or oil ressources will only last another ~100 years at maximum and then it's game over. There will be nothing left that is worth to be conquered.
 

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The main thing I got from the OP is that science and astronomy is a really big deal in China, they take that shit seriously
 

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The article linked in the OP is really well-written, and I would recommend people actually read it. Dives into a brief history of China's scienctific advancement and current standing and how that relates to potential contact with extraterrestrials. Plus lots of theorizing on what first contact might entail.
 

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As a Swiss, since the Chinese government is somewhat technocratic, I would vastly prefer them making first contact than the current US government.
 
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As a Swiss, since the Chinese government is somewhat technocratic, I would vastly prefer them making first contact than the current US government.
I agree, except I would prefer the Chinese making first contact to any U.S. administration. Unlike USA, China has given this a lot of thought and are much better prepared.
 

Pbae

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It's gonna be the U.S.A bruh.

We're more open about butt stuff here, and we all know from watching Ancient Aliens, that they like to probe.
 

Xe4

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I am becoming more and more convinced that if we're going to determine an advanced alien species exists in any sort of way, it's going to be through spectroscope measurements of their atmosphere, not via radio communications.

The fact of the matter is, even with bad ass radio telescope like these, any alien civilization would still have to be deliberately attempting to communicate with us. Any other way, and their radio signals would be too weak for us to detect.
 

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China making first contact as opposed to a country like the US should at least mean a lesser degree of impact from the resulting upheaval of the religious/supersitious aspect of society that would adversely affect interaction with extraterrestrials.
 

Titik

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The reason we haven't heard from other civilizations is because they either died out/wiped out or they smartened up and is now practicing radio silence to keep from being wiped out.

We should be doing the same.
 

Abstrusity

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First thing I thought of, heh.

My theory is pretty similar. If extraterrestrial life exists, and can do something about linking up to us, they would be so far advanced, so much more, that we would stand no chance against them in any sort of war scenario, and the inherent greed of mankind would basically seal our fate.
 

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Saw this a couple of days ago, it felt very topical as I've just started the third Three Body book.

Everyone involved should be forced to read the Liu Cixiun trilogy and
learn to stop trying to contact the aliens
That's the amazing part here: they've apparently read it.
Why the fuck would you make any noise in the bone chilling silence of that dark forest.
 

Mona

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if humans make first contact with an alien species and people are still giving credence to tribalism and arbitrary borders on the cosmic pebble we inhabit, then im honestly at a loss for words

that even the shock of shocks is unable to separate us from our baser instincts
 

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Oh shit China is funding their own SETI? Cool.