I think KotOR is all-time great, but I also think Baldur's Gate is, too, and I don't even like the aesthetic of that game!
KotOR actually made me care about Star Wars in the way that fans of the movies care about it! I can't co-sign this.
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I think KotOR is all-time great, but I also think Baldur's Gate is, too, and I don't even like the aesthetic of that game!
KotOR actually made me care about Star Wars in the way that fans of the movies care about it! I can't co-sign this.
Trick or Meta achievements on Steam have a unique charm in them, even if sometimes you can't earn them easily.
I am saying this cause recently a Visual Novel, Highway Blossoms, did something like that for waiting an achievement to unlock 170 hours.
However this achievement have a meta meaning: The 170 hours represent the "real" hours our Protagonist drive to her destination at the end of the game.
Another well-known example is in the game Little Red Lie. It have an achievement, but to earn it you must "sacrifice" the final part of the game. I don't want to explain more, because it is a really good game.
I am saying this cause recently a Visual Novel, Highway Blossoms, did something like that for waiting an achievement to unlock 170 hours.
However this achievement have a meta meaning: The 170 hours represent the "real" hours our Protagonist drive to her destination at the end of the game.
Another well-known example is in the game Little Red Lie. It have an achievement, but to earn it you must "sacrifice" the final part of the game. I don't want to explain more, because it is a really good game.
They fixed the lackluster and ultimately uninteresting XCOM2 geoscape with ... bloat. That's what happened.
Edit: As for reviews. Reviews themselves aren't the problem. Scores are. We are so obsessed by stewardship in our "modern" societies that we feel the need to measure EVERYTHING. Even shit which is arguably pretty fucking subjective (such as the appreciation of a work of art) need to be measured one way or another, because if we don't have a bunch of numbers to compare, we're utterly lost. That goes way beyond gaming but still applies here. Review scores should die in the fires of hell.
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I understand the appeal, but Bioware just seem to consistently just miss the mark for me. KOTOR is an odd one for me as well as I've never really been into Star Wars. So yeah, I understand it's as much my problem as well. :)
Was the case until the Switch came along.
And while I agree with you on how awesome the Gamecube was, the kiddie image was rampant back then. And good lord the Wind Waker/Prime outrage.
Lol at criticising the Gamecube controller and the going for praising the OG Xbox one. That thing was an abomination.
And to the bolded:
The Gamecube also had Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Windwaker, F-Zero GX, Paper Mario TTYD, Resident Evil 4, FF Crystal Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and other neat stuff on it. If you call all of that "bunch of crap" your opinion is not only controversial but just shit lol.
That shouldn't be controversial. But gaming press and certain kinds of gamers love their hyperbole.
the x1 hardware was awful too,
x1 has the worst name in history.
the selection was ok, nothing spectacular, the typical draught but so many devs stopped producing games for the system after 1 year, this is when the shit hit the fan.
problem was, that journalists pretended to "not understand" the concept of the wii u.
i find the x1-concept harder to understand: is it a new system just by the name or is it the predecessor?
is a game system or a videogamesystem?
oh an people telling me: is the wii u compatible with the wii?
have a look at the box: the one is blue, the other is white.
the x1 had green boxes the x360 were also green. so yeah, well.
thats the past so nintendo and obviously ms learned quite the tough lesson from this.
I'd probably give them 8.5 to 9/10, depending on mood. I really love the game world in both and I think BotW has some really polished and fun survival mechanics and ideas, but the shrines and divine beast dungeons are a real let-down compared to previous games in the series. With God of War I would have preferred more puzzles like the other games had, although the combat is obviously a vast improvement. Although I think both games' bosses are a bit flat compared to previous entries, both in terms of the fights themselves and the quantity. That being said j haven't finished either game yet so my opinion may yet change.
The S-Controller was great, so I don't know what you're on.
Then you listed a bunch of...yeah, crap. If my opinion is shit, then thank goodness for shit opinions. I'd hate to see what a not-shit opinion looks like.
I think that's one of the things which will baffle me for the rest of my life. And not just gaming related.
The moment the WiiU "Gamepad" was introduced I got the concept like instantly: "oh it's a console with a tablet/controller combo".
You can't really get simpler than that, unless you're just revealing a new console whose primary feature is "more powerful than the previous one".
The fact that no one seemed to "get it" was mind-boggling. I legit can't see if they were astonishingly stupid, if they pretended to be for some weird ass console war reason, or if I'm a freakin' genius.
How the WiiU can be confusing is beyond me ...
Did you even play any of those games? Serious question. Calling two games of one of the best received trilogies of all time crap is quite something (while one of those is considered one of the best leaps from 2D to 3D in the same vein as Mario64 and Zelda OoT, but I guess those are also crap). Paper Mario TTYD is also a stellar RPG, FE Path of Radiance is considered one of the best FE games and Resi 4...yeah I don't even know what to respond to you calling that game crap.
Also most people played on this... thing:
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I don't think "gamers" had as much of a problem understanding what the WiiU was. At least not most. It was all the other people. The Wii's audience had a massive amount of casual gamers. People that never follow gaming news, trends, history etc. Those were the people that needed to know exactly what the WiiU was. And to those people it was understandably confusing. It also didn't help that they couldn't be bothered to learn what it was as they had moved on to new casual gaming experiences.
I agree. I just don't think those "casuals" could have been "retained" no matter what Nintendo would have done. I mean we're basically talking about a fickle bunch who only bought the Wii on a whim. Hard to capitalize on consumers like that.
I mean, no matter how well you introduce and present the WiiU, grandma won't buy it in the same way she bought a Wii.
Did you even play any of those games? Serious question. Calling two games of one of the best received trilogies of all time crap is quite something (while one of those is considered one of the best leaps from 2D to 3D in the same vein as Mario64 and Zelda OoT, but I guess those are also crap). Paper Mario TTYD is also a stellar RPG, FE Path of Radiance is considered one of the best FE games and Resi 4...yeah I don't even know what to respond to you calling that game crap.
Also most people played on this... thing:
Wrong again. Microsoft started packing S-controllers in with the consoles not too long after people hated on the original. The S-controller feels great in my hands, unlike a certain small, cramped, shitty controller for a shitty, cube-shaped console, and is one of my favorite controllers for how comfortable it is.
As for your games, FF: CC was surprisingly fun as multiplayer game and I shouldn't have singled it out for criticism; RE4 is fine, I guess, but I was bored by the pew-pew; MP is bad because Metroid is Sonic-like in terms of how good it is in 2D and how bad it is in 3D; Wind Waker had boring sailing, boring combat, and dungeons are my least favorite thing about Zelda, so IDC about how good they are; Paper Mario has never been that good and I am a M&L guy myself; I have more taste than to play Fire Emblem since I like good SRPGs without offensively shitty art direction. So not all crap, but a lot of mediocrity there.
And don't tell me what people "consider" to be great or what critics liked. I am unswayed by appeals to popularity. I think that video game criticism is historically laughably bad, and I trust other gamers' opinions even less than I do the critics.
Controversial opinion - the Sonic CD US soundtrack is completely wrong for the game, and is at complete odds with the art and game design.
Controversial opinion - the Sega Saturn is Sega's best console.
Controversial opinion - Sonic 1 8-bit is a better game that Sonic 1 16-bit in a lot of ways. Better music, better levels (except for Green Hill which is definitely better realised in the 16-bit system), and it definitely has a more impactful endgame.
Controversial opinion - the Sega Saturn is Sega's best console.
Controversial opinion - Sonic 1 8-bit is a better game that Sonic 1 16-bit in a lot of ways. Better music, better levels (except for Green Hill which is definitely better realised in the 16-bit system), and it definitely has a more impactful endgame.
Are you saying all of that just to piss him off?
Then you could also consider the wavebird controller. Loved that thing. But hands are different.
FF: CC is actually the worst of the games I listed because of how cumbersome the single player is. I still don't get why they felt the need to make the Mogry tired every 10 steps. Having to carry the chalice yourself sucked in multiplayer as well. Phenomenal soundtrack and co-op spell casting though.
I thought Resi 4 was one of the more engaging pew-pew games out there, especially back then.
That's some blistering hot take on Prime lmao. How on earth? It's atmosphere and leveldesign alone make that claim of yours sound crazy. Perfectly realized 2D Metroid in 3D.
The dungeons in WW are actually one of the weakest parts of it. The whole game is way too easy. But it's the best holding up game from that gen, with a radical shift in tone and artstyle that was a really, really bold decision that payed off in the end. Combined with the soundtrack it's the most charming Zelda experience ever. WW also has the best item integration in it's combat out of any any Zelda game. Too bad you don't need to use any of it. sailing was fine for me because I was baked as fuck most of the time.
FE's art direction was fine back then though? Nothing spectacular of course, but not as bad as it is now.
Also TTYD not being that good. Got you.
Then I guess we're done with any disussion lol. This is the hot take thread after all. Have a nice day.
I had the same impression lol. But then I thought who am I to write him off as a troll if there's a chance he's serious.
I dug the WaveBird wireless functionality but the controller layout itself was pretty abysmal.
There was no symmetry with the face buttons.
The right "nipple" stick was tiny and hampered by hexagonal inlay that prevented fluid 360 motion.
The L & R triggers were stiff as hell, making games that used it extensively (i.e. scanning in Metroid Prime) painful.
Only one Z button, meaning GC only had 3 shoulder buttons as opposed to the standard 4.
Overall, while the GameCube controller may have worked fine for Nintendo-developed games, it was a failure for anything 3rd party. The poor stick layout alone meant that first & third person games (the bulk of titles released that gen) lacked the fluid finesse of 360/PS3 games.
Now with all that said I still do respect Nintendo for bucking industry norms and doing things their own way. This is were innovation comes from.
But sometimes they simply shoot themselves in the foot in their desire to differentiate themselves, leaving out vital QoL standards with their unique controllers.
There was no symmetry with the face buttons.
The right "nipple" stick was tiny and hampered by hexagonal inlay that prevented fluid 360 motion.
The L & R triggers were stiff as hell, making games that used it extensively (i.e. scanning in Metroid Prime) painful.
Only one Z button, meaning GC only had 3 shoulder buttons as opposed to the standard 4.
Overall, while the GameCube controller may have worked fine for Nintendo-developed games, it was a failure for anything 3rd party. The poor stick layout alone meant that first & third person games (the bulk of titles released that gen) lacked the fluid finesse of 360/PS3 games.
Now with all that said I still do respect Nintendo for bucking industry norms and doing things their own way. This is were innovation comes from.
But sometimes they simply shoot themselves in the foot in their desire to differentiate themselves, leaving out vital QoL standards with their unique controllers.
Burnout Revenge is the most disappointing game in the series to me. I won't say it's the worst, because Burnout Legends DS exists, but I didn't expect it to be good.
I went back and finally finished it this past week, since I've always hated that I never at least finished all the events. Coming from Burnout 3 there are so many parts of it that feel like a step back.
I went back and finally finished it this past week, since I've always hated that I never at least finished all the events. Coming from Burnout 3 there are so many parts of it that feel like a step back.
- Track design feels far more cluttered. I thought the tracks in 3 flowed better, and were easier to visually read.
- Traffic checking really changes the feel of the races. I liked how tense it was weaving through traffic, but it doesn't really matter in this one. I think they added it so that they could up the amount of traffic without breaking the game, but I would have preferred less traffic without traffic checking.
- Crashbreaker isn't a horrible idea, but it doesn't feel well implemented. Visually it looks like you have a larger range than you actually do.
- Single player structure is fine, but the star system is frustrating as crap. Having to worry not only about getting gold, but also keeping your awesomeness bar (or whatever it's called) maxed out is a pain.
- Crap tons of advertisements in game. Why are so many cars branded? No I don't want an Alienware car, or a Logitech car. Yeah, this is minor, but I'd forgotten just how much there was. Driving around in the Hardee's van is a bit absurd.
- This biggest problem, and the one I never hear anyone talk about, is the lack of a menu to let you pick an event, pick a track, and go, or preferably just do a race on a random track. The single race mode is how I put tons of time into every other track based Burnout, but Revenge doesn't have one. If you want to do a race on track A, you have to go through the single player ranks until you find one with track A, then hope that for that rank it has a race event available. It's a pain, and it completely killed the game for me.
I actually like how achievements and trophies can push players to experiment with their playstyle and incentivize them to do things out of their comfort zone. I always thought it was weird when someone would criticize the "Kill X amount of enemies with the shotgun/pistol/whatever in X seconds to get a neat reward" systems from Wolfenstein or DOOM 2016 for that very reason.
Trophies get me back to playing older games all the time. For example, I recently had an itch to play some more GTA5. Not online, I'm not into that. But I've already beaten the game, and had gotten most trophies. I went through my list and noticed I hadn't gotten the peyote animals one yet. Pulled up a guide, and went to it. Got an ultra rare 0.2% trophy, and after several hours my GTA itch had been scratched.
9/10 for GOW for me, 9.5 for BOTW. Both of them have significant enough flaws that I struggle to say they have nothing to improve upon. GOW has issues with enemy repetition; whereas I would fault BOTW for the lack of larger, more in-depth dungeons as well as story.
It depends. In doom doing those unlocks game enhancers, that's worth doing those. For just a trophy pop though it gets in the way of playing my way.
I am not against trophies though and don't get the Anti-Sentiment either.
Same here. I've repurchased several games to replay them because I want to get trophies for them, like Bioshock and Dragon Age Inquisition. It's just a digital trinket but honestly it's one of my favorite parts of the PSN ecosystem, and unlocking trophies adds a bunch to my enjoyment. And like has been said before, trophies like that do give a reason to try things differently, adding to the enjoyment.
FUCKING TESTIFY!!!!
Loved Starfox Adventures, personally think it should be classed as one of Rares all time best games, the graphics at the time were stunning, I enjoyed the story, and being a Stargate fan (SG-1, Atlantis and the OG Movie) wielding that weapon that was pretty much a Goa'uld Staff weapon just topped it off for me.
Such an underrated game.
DS/BB/Nioh bosses really aren't that hard, not saying they are easy either but i was never left with a imperishable impression i had struggled with any of them, outside maybe a few like Ornstein and Smough but even that was dealt with in a matter of minutes. This post was born due to the current "generation hardest boss thread" which honestly saddens me quite a bit.
I really don't care about Death Stranding. Nothing they have shown has made me interested at any level for the game.
I have never liked a game by Blizzard Entertainment (that is since they adopted that name in ~1995 - I actually really loved The Lost Vikings).
I don't understand how a large portion of this forum thinks that David Cage makes good video games.
Thank you, thank you, fucking thank you. Star Fox Adventures is an excellent action-adventure game with more atmosphere to it than people give it credit for, and it's definitely a solid example of Rare's skillset going towards a different genre. I honestly think it's a shame that the game still gets so much hate for being made into a Star Fox game, but maybe that's because the series as a whole never got back on track afterwards.
Speaking of Rare, though, I honestly couldn't get much into Banjo-Tooie. The way I saw it, Kazooie was just the right size and density for an exploratory 3-D platformer, whereas Tooie was way to spread out, not to mention the added backtracking. I can acknowledge it as an ambitious game, but personally, I think that grand scale is to its detriment.
Other than that:
-The Sonic Adventure series still holds up, and I really enjoyed Sonic Lost World.
-Skyward Sword is my favorite Zelda and one of my favorite video games of all time.
-I enjoyed Final Fantasy XIII.
-I like the story of Kingdom Hearts.
I've always thought this.
Sonic 8-bit is still fun to play through, but Sonic 16-bit feels like a bit of a slog.
Sonic on MD/Genesis didn't really get good until Sonic 2 (and I'd even argue that Sonic 3 & Knuckles was the only great Sonic game on the 16-bit console).
At a certain point, we need mods to rename this thread "Hot Takes". Some of these are controversial, well put together ideas, and thought provoking. They are the diamonds in the rough. Yet, most of these are the refuge thread for hot takes on current darlings.
I'm with everyone here who says BotW is an 8/10 game.
It's biggest strength is that it's got an aesthetically beautiful world that's a pleasure to wander through, but most critics overlook the games many faults because the game's beauty shields what would otherwise be glaring flaws.
- Almost every dungeon is okay at best (shrines are almost always a chore, divine beasts are pretty cool to okay)
- The discovery aspect is overrated. The game does rewards you for actively poking around the map (cool!), but the reward is almost never surprising (not cool!), it's almost always a shrine, some armor, or some powerful enemy. The only reason it works is because the world is beautiful enough to stroll through so that this doesn't feel boring.
- Critics praise the 'emergent gameplay' i.e.., the numerous systems working together in a surprising manner, things like using the chicken swarm mechanic to take out baddies, lighting fires to boost your kite to higher ground. The thing is, this isn't really that fun. I'll admit this one is the most debatable, maybe I don't have a big enough imagination to enjoy this type of gameplay, but the handful of things you can do to break the game don't make it brilliant.
- Combat is pretty good! It's simple but well executed, the arrows in particular feel really good to me. However, is this 10/10 groundbreaking? Debatable.
It's biggest strength is that it's got an aesthetically beautiful world that's a pleasure to wander through, but most critics overlook the games many faults because the game's beauty shields what would otherwise be glaring flaws.
- Almost every dungeon is okay at best (shrines are almost always a chore, divine beasts are pretty cool to okay)
- The discovery aspect is overrated. The game does rewards you for actively poking around the map (cool!), but the reward is almost never surprising (not cool!), it's almost always a shrine, some armor, or some powerful enemy. The only reason it works is because the world is beautiful enough to stroll through so that this doesn't feel boring.
- Critics praise the 'emergent gameplay' i.e.., the numerous systems working together in a surprising manner, things like using the chicken swarm mechanic to take out baddies, lighting fires to boost your kite to higher ground. The thing is, this isn't really that fun. I'll admit this one is the most debatable, maybe I don't have a big enough imagination to enjoy this type of gameplay, but the handful of things you can do to break the game don't make it brilliant.
- Combat is pretty good! It's simple but well executed, the arrows in particular feel really good to me. However, is this 10/10 groundbreaking? Debatable.
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Chronicles of Teddy > God of War
Hyper Light Drifter > BotW
Hob > Detroit
the top 20% of quality indies > just about every single big budget blockbuster from Ubi, Sony, Nintendo, EA, etc.
Hyper Light Drifter > BotW
Hob > Detroit
the top 20% of quality indies > just about every single big budget blockbuster from Ubi, Sony, Nintendo, EA, etc.
I definitely prefer 16-bit Sonic 1 but the SMS game is hugely underrated. And I love how someone made an FM sound hack for it.
SNES RPGs are trash compared to PS RPGs.
GoW is the best Zelda I've played since Majora's Mask.
El Shadai is a good game.
GoW is the best Zelda I've played since Majora's Mask.
El Shadai is a good game.