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Oct 25, 2017
12,626
Arizona
There's no way this gets a sequel, right? Not with it being on track to being the first ever post Disney Star Wars to make less than a billion, and by a really significant margin
It could conceivably fail to make half a billion. So I don't think the odds of the story threads getting picked up on the big screen are good, no.
I still think this should have been a December 2018 film.
That will baffle me until the end of time.
 
Nov 3, 2017
2,223
It's the only time anyone in the entire series has had any kind of emotional attachment to a droid. It's really weird just in that sense.

We don't really see his affection for her until she gets bashed to shit. He smack talks with her a bit, and she asserts to Kira that he loves her but we mostly take that to be her weird ego inferring something that isn't there.

There's been a few other times. The Clone Wars had an episode about Anakin's attachments to R2. Luke also clearly has an emotionally attachment to R2. Cassian cared for K2. The only real surprise is her name wasn't L2
 

Barrel_Roll

Self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 30, 2017
963
I love how maul is gonna be such a WTF moment for anyone who didn't watch clone wars or rebels.


ALSO.

Clearly there is going to be more.. I wonder if disney is gonna take the marvel playbook and have the next few 'star wars stories' play out as their own little chronology.

The eventual Obi-wan film could easily have solo on tatooine.
Likewise, "solo 2" could easily have an ewan mcgregor cameo, or even a larger role.

I LOVE that they're fleshing out maul back into the cinematic universe, and not just the television universe.. The fact that they weren't afraid to include him might just open up a ton of doors for further stories here.


And here I was thinking this would be the first star wars film without a lightsaber.

After hearing the renewed rumors of a Boba Fett spin-off, I fully expect this Han and Chewie to show up in that movie (as more than just a brief cameo) if it actually gets made.
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
He could have just told people who Palpatine/Sidious was

That's really all he had to do

It's almost as if Maul was supposed to stay dead, but some writer decided it was more important to prop up his TV show with fanservice than deal with the obvious plot holes that resurrecting him might introduce.

Maul spent years of his life trying to track down Obi-Wan Kenobi? In all those years he never thought to look on Tatooine? "Ben Kenobi? Nah, that's probably a different guy."
 

Imran

Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,598
The movie kind of puts TFA in a different context.

With the exception of Luke, Chewie, and (probably) Leia, everyone he has ever loved has betrayed him somehow until his last moment.
 

Halbrand

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,617
I still think this should have been a December 2018 film.
It's pretty weird how there's pretty much nothing for November/December this year. 2017 was nice with Thor and The Last Jedi.

The movie kind of puts TFA in a different context.

With the exception of Luke, Chewie, and (probably) Leia, everyone he has ever loved has betrayed him somehow until his last moment.
Yeah, it really adds some depth to it
 

Saifu

Member
Oct 27, 2017
7,884
What are the chances that Han won't cross paths with Qi'ra again until post-ROTJ? Assuming that she even survives that far in the future.
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
42,659
With Maul I think you'll have two different reactions.

1. If you've seen Clone Wars and Rebels, it'll be crazy because that's now in a live action movie.

2. If you've not seen the shows, it'll be a big shock that he survived Episode I but I think people are media savvy enough to just get that he survived. It's not like that's an unhard of concept. I'm there will be a lot of Googling, though.
 

BDS

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,845
I love that they're so heavily connecting to the shows. GIVE ME MY APHRA MOVIE!
 

Fj0823

Legendary Duelist
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,666
Costa Rica
It's almost as if Maul was supposed to stay dead, but some writer decided it was more important to prop up his TV show with fanservice than deal with the obvious plot holes that resurrecting him might introduce.

Maul spent years of his life trying to track down Obi-Wan Kenobi? In all those years he never thought to look on Tatooine? "Ben Kenobi? Nah, that's probably a different guy."

Watch the Show.
 
Nov 3, 2017
2,223
That will baffle me until the end of time

My completely baseless theory is that Lucasfilm wants December to retain the mystique of being the untouchable Star Wars month, to ensure competitors give it a wide berth. Internal tracking probably suggested Solo wouldn't be able to adequately perform and so they moved it so that there would still be some psychic separation between a Star Wars Release and a December Star Wars Release
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,626
Arizona
It's almost as if Maul was supposed to stay dead, but some writer decided it was more important to prop up his TV show with fanservice than deal with the obvious plot holes that resurrecting him might introduce.

Maul spent years of his life trying to track down Obi-Wan Kenobi? In all those years he never thought to look on Tatooine? "Ben Kenobi? Nah, that's probably a different guy."
1) Why would Darth Maul think to look for him on Tatooine?

2) It's not like Ben was on a galactic phone book...? "K... Kenarbi… Keniibi… ah, Kenobi!"

Also, George was heavily involved with his revival (and all things Clone Wars up until the sale), so it's not just "some writer".

You should really just give the shows a chance anyway though. It's all handled far better than you could expect, and it was really worth the asspulls to bring him back honestly. They morphed Maul into one of the most interesting and complex characters of the universe. Even his final moments are unexpected and fascinating.
 

Chumley

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,651
With Maul I think you'll have two different reactions.

1. If you've seen Clone Wars and Rebels, it'll be crazy because that's now in a live action movie.

2. If you've not seen the shows, it'll be a big shock that he survived Episode I but I think people are media savvy enough to just get that he survived. It's not like that's an unhard of concept. I'm there will be a lot of Googling, though.

Also it's been almost 20 years since TPM and teenagers won't even know what they're seeing.

Now I feel old.
 

Auros01

Avenger
Nov 17, 2017
5,512
There's no way this gets a sequel, right? Not with it being on track to being the first ever post Disney Star Wars to make less than a billion, and by a really significant margin

How Disney/Lucasfilm handle this film will be fascinating. The huge budget, probably a more relatively modest BO performance, but I think there will be a portion of the fan base that wants to see more (sign me up).

If they could keep the budget down and make another more intimate story just like this one, maybe a sequel will work. A somewhat micro-budget film, if you will.
 

Sully

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,392
I hadn't been following the production of the movies, I saw it was a pair of brothers that wrote it? Have they done anything else notable?
 

Fj0823

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Oct 25, 2017
26,666
Costa Rica
1) Why would Darth Maul think to look for him on Tatooine?

2) It's not like Ben was on a galactic phone book...? "K... Kenarbi… Keniibi… ah, Kenobi!"

Also, George was heavily involved with his revival (and all things Clone Wars up until the sale), so it's not just "some writer".

Not to mention he doesn't give two shits about Obi-Wan for a good while, his focus is only getting more and more power, getting revenge was secondary to him

His revenge on Kenobi became his main goal after he was 100% sure where he was
 

jstevenson

Developer at Insomniac Games
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
2,042
Burbank CA
My completely baseless theory is that Lucasfilm wants December to retain the mystique of being the untouchable Star Wars month, to ensure competitors give it a wide berth. Internal tracking probably suggested Solo wouldn't be able to adequately perform and so they moved it so that there would still be some psychic separation between a Star Wars Release and a December Star Wars Release

no, Lucasfilm has desperately been trying to get to summer because you don't have weather / holidays potentially hosing you. They realize people may not keep Star Wars the annual holiday tradition forever. Episode IX was scheduled for next may until JJ demanded more time to come on for the movie.

They want to be in summer with good weather. Winter storms could devastate a Star Wars opening.
 

Halbrand

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,617
How Disney/Lucasfilm handle this film will be fascinating. The huge budget, probably a more relatively modest BO performance, but I think there will be a portion of the fan base that wants to see more (sign me up).

If they could keep the budget down and make another more intimate story just like this one, maybe a sequel will work. A somewhat micro-budget film, if you will.
Watching this movie it really doesn't seem like the budget should have been anywhere near what it really was. Reshooting it really killed the budget, as could be reasonably expected

My completely baseless theory is that Lucasfilm wants December to retain the mystique of being the untouchable Star Wars month, to ensure competitors give it a wide berth. Internal tracking probably suggested Solo wouldn't be able to adequately perform and so they moved it so that there would still be some psychic separation between a Star Wars Release and a December Star Wars Release
They're just testing releasing in May so they can release in May and December each year

I wouldn't even mind
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
I'll share complete impressions tomorrow, but I will say:

Alden won me over as a young Han. He did a great job and in some instances he (very briefly) felt like the real thing.

People were wrong about him. I was wrong about him. He owned it

That said, it's a rough film. Some good, some bad.

Will need another watch to solidify my feelings on it
 

Cross-Section

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,874
Was not expecting I'd be placing this one above Rogue One on the Great Ranking, but here we are. Still not quite up there with TFA/TLJ but that's fine.

Worst moment: The "getting his name" scene was some Lucas-ass bullshit; something cringeworthy and bad that will undoubtedly become goofy and charming as time goes on.

Best moment: The dialogue drawing some pretty direct parallels between Han and Rey, which makes the events of TFA all the more fucking heartbreaking in retrospect.

Also, Crimson Dawn. One of the best "hiding in plain view" gags I've seen/heard in a while.
 
Nov 3, 2017
2,223
no, Lucasfilm has desperately been trying to get to summer because you don't have weather / holidays potentially hosing you. They realize people may not keep Star Wars the annual holiday tradition forever. Episode IX was scheduled for next may until JJ demanded more time to come on for the movie.

They want to be in summer with good weather. Winter storms could devastate a Star Wars opening.

Huh. I keep forgetting December isn't summer for some parts of the world
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
no, Lucasfilm has desperately been trying to get to summer because you don't have weather / holidays potentially hosing you. They realize people may not keep Star Wars the annual holiday tradition forever. Episode IX was scheduled for next may until JJ demanded more time to come on for the movie.

They want to be in summer with good weather. Winter storms could devastate a Star Wars opening.
I think they are way better off in December. The competitive nature of the summer box office cuts into their earnings more than a snowy weekend. Black Panther and Force Awakens made 600 million dollars because they were uncontested box office kings for weeks on end.
 

Boogalogist

Member
Oct 25, 2017
704
Ray Park reprised his role as Darth Maul even before Ewan McGregor reprised his role as Obi wan. Who would've thought of that!?
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
no, Lucasfilm has desperately been trying to get to summer because you don't have weather / holidays potentially hosing you. They realize people may not keep Star Wars the annual holiday tradition forever. Episode IX was scheduled for next may until JJ demanded more time to come on for the movie.

They want to be in summer with good weather. Winter storms could devastate a Star Wars opening.

The weather/holiday thing simply isn't true.

I mean, the weather idea is such a huge "what if" factor and you're not going to find many examples of large December snow storms sidetracking the theater business.

And holidays don't "hose" films. I mean, we have years and years of proof that goes against that.
 

Ramala

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,052
Santa Monica, LA
Also I thought the action was really well directed. The train heist in particular. Clear shots, you know exactly where everyone is and what's going on.
 

Halbrand

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,617
The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Solo
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones

It's difficult to rank Solo among them really because I actually enjoyed it way more than The Last Jedi.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,092
Darth Maul in a nutshell
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DarthSpider

The Fallen
Nov 15, 2017
2,958
Hiroshima, Japan
For Clone Wars fans....I'm pretty sure the "Crimson Sun" is what remains of the "Black Sun" from the TV series. In season 5, Maul kills *beheads* all of the Black Sun leaders and takes control of the syndicate. The similarities between the ensignias are really apparent, and crimson sun and black sun are too close in name to just be a coincidence

That wasn't Maul, it was Savage Opress doing Maul's bidding.
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
43,033
Yea that was the worst SW movie I've ever seen.

What?!!??! I fucking loved this movie.

Like, holy shit y'all, the movie is actually good! I was not expecting that. It's just effortlessly fun and manages to use minimal fan service and always done in a way that's organic to the story. This is not the garbage that was Rogue One. I'm tired since it's so late, but just to fire off my only real gripes is that I wish Beckett and Han had more time together. Han should've been under his tutelage a bit longer to make that ending really work. Second, I wish the film would trust the actual heists more than the action. This movie is better than Rogue One with its heists since it just all out war from the start. But, the film seems way more interested in the action scenes that just spring out of the heists than the actual heists themselves. They need to learn from Oceans 11 or Mission Impossible. A heist can be just as tense and exciting as a shootout without resorting to blowing something up every second.

Still, a good, fun ass movie. Alden nailed Han. Glover nailed Lando. Honestly, Clarke was the only "weak" spot but even she managed to not be terrible for once. Still, I thought a better female actress could've really pulled off that part.
 

Orb

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,465
USA
People keep saying Ray Park reprised his role but I swear it just looked like CG to me.
 

Serpens007

Well, Tosca isn't for everyone
Moderator
Oct 31, 2017
8,133
Chile
1) Why would Darth Maul think to look for him on Tatooine?

2) It's not like Ben was on a galactic phone book...? "K... Kenarbi… Keniibi… ah, Kenobi!"

Also, George was heavily involved with his revival (and all things Clone Wars up until the sale), so it's not just "some writer".

You should really just give the shows a chance anyway though. It's all handled far better than you could expect, and it was really worth the asspulls to bring him back honestly. They morphed Maul into one of the most interesting and complex characters of the universe. Even his final moments are unexpected and fascinating.

Tatooine is such a " nowhere" in the galaxy also. Why would Kenobi go there? Maul needs to mix a jedi and sith holocron to find him, Ben's that well hidden.

I bet Boba Fett will be at Maul's orders in the next film. Both of them have a Mandalorian connection.
 

BossAttack

Member
Oct 27, 2017
43,033
Oh, and the world building was phenomenal. It truly sold you on the gritty, criminal underworld nature of this Era and part of the Galaxy. For the first time you actually understood and felt how dangerous it was to be out alone in the Galaxy with no protections. Criminal bands, slavers, marauders, giant fucking space monsters, all of them could be waiting to get you the moment you step foot off whatever rock you're hiding under.