I kinda thought so too, but wasnt sure. I didnt stick around to see the credits. My initial impression was it was cgi, with sam witwer doing the voice acting. But then I remembered that I believe Ray Park was at the premiere
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Solo: A Star Wars Story |OT| Ron Shot Last [SPOILERS]
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I kinda thought so too, but wasnt sure. I didnt stick around to see the credits. My initial impression was it was cgi, with sam witwer doing the voice acting. But then I remembered that I believe Ray Park was at the premiere
People will tend to focus on the negatives, but I think it would be an incredibly exciting (albeit stressful) time to be working on Star Wars brand strategy.
TLJ underperforming relative to expectations and the really significant drop off in Solo, especially in markets outside the US, have shown that the franchise can bleed. It's strengths and weaknesses are also unique relative to other big blockbuster franchises, specifically in regard to the complete lack of nostalgia for Star Wars in key markets like China, and how Star Wars is a cultural touchstone in markets like the US.
But with these challenges also comes fascinating opportunities. Rather than just releasing any old movie to the tune of a billion dollars each, Lucasfilms must reevaluate and really plot out what exactly Star Wars is and will become in the future. How do they handle multiple eras, especially when some markets couldn't give a shit about your most iconic era? Where do you go once the sequel trilogy is complete? Do you double down on pleasing the existing US and English speaking market, or do you reevaluate how these movies are made and communicated to bring in China and others?
These are huge, brand defining questions, and how Lucasfilms answers them will plot the course Star Wars takes in the coming decade. That's really fucking exciting stuff and I can't wait to see what they come up with
Having Maul turn up at the end was an absolute fanservice groaner. Almost nothing about that felt organic to the story.
Having the Imperial March actually be an actual musical number that exists within the Star Wars canon annoys the hell out of me as well, though I can't entirely figure out why.
yeah I mean, I probably would only rank it ahead of the prequels.
it's maybe the most popcorn-y Star Wars movie. inoffensive and disposable, but very fun
The Maul cameo wasn't as bad as the Imperial March in-universe. That may take the cake as one of the most heinous things Disney has done to this franchise to date.
You're probably thinking of Black Sun, which I believe has been canonized in the animated shows.
lol I was just saying around time the reviews dropped that they wouldn't acknowledge that Maul wasn't killed in the films.
I'll admit, it was pretty cool to see him pop up, with his robot legs and all. Rogue One made me want to go back and watch the Clone Wars series all the way through for the first time just because of Saw, but Solo actually makes me interested in watching Rebels just so see the way Maul's story plays out there. I've been wanting to eventually watch the series but just watching season 1 didn't hook me like Clone Wars eventually did.
I like the idea of Crimson Dawn, even though I felt like some of the momentum of the film stopped dead in it's tracks with their exposition introduction and it got a little tricky to follow exactly their turn and then everyone else turning on each other with all the double and triple crosses by the end, but I felt like it was a pretty cool wrinkle to add to the origins of the Rebels mythos.
Also, this film just having a bunch of speeder bikes and land speeders is something I've been wanting to see more of in Star Wars.
Overall, I think I enjoyed it enough that I might actually go watch it again. I have a feeling I might like it less, but there are some details of the world I'd like to see again.
I'll admit, it was pretty cool to see him pop up, with his robot legs and all. Rogue One made me want to go back and watch the Clone Wars series all the way through for the first time just because of Saw, but Solo actually makes me interested in watching Rebels just so see the way Maul's story plays out there. I've been wanting to eventually watch the series but just watching season 1 didn't hook me like Clone Wars eventually did.
I like the idea of Crimson Dawn, even though I felt like some of the momentum of the film stopped dead in it's tracks with their exposition introduction and it got a little tricky to follow exactly their turn and then everyone else turning on each other with all the double and triple crosses by the end, but I felt like it was a pretty cool wrinkle to add to the origins of the Rebels mythos.
Also, this film just having a bunch of speeder bikes and land speeders is something I've been wanting to see more of in Star Wars.
Overall, I think I enjoyed it enough that I might actually go watch it again. I have a feeling I might like it less, but there are some details of the world I'd like to see again.
Maul makes tons of sense within the EU. I was like OF COURSE.
I agree on the Imperial March thing tho
It was to me since I watched Clone Wars. I literally had to smack myself on the head, "Crimson Dawn," of course. The only "bad" part of that reveal is him igniting a lightsaber, why would he do that? Also, I'm curious how he managed to escape from Palpatine.
I feel like the Boba Fett film pretty much locked to be a soft sequel at this point, assuming the poor box office doesn't kill it, so that does seem likely.
My friends suggested that Disney wants at least one lightsaber in each film.
Yeah, I don't think Maul being in the movie is fan service at all if you're a fan of the shows since Maul is a very prominent character in those.
That is a real lightsaber fight. Not the jumping around nonsense in the prequels.
that's kind of why it was the perfect Maul / Obi-Wan fight. They've already had one of the craziest possible fights. The way it went it Rebels was the only way for it to go. That episode is incredible.
Maybe it was because of the dim movie theatre but I was least impressed with Solo's cinematography of any of the new four, although it was still pretty good.
TFA and TLJ both looked excellent and I definitely wouldn't call them cheap looking.
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no, Dr. Evazan in Rogue One, or the Bossk / Aurra Sing mentions were fan service.
well... ok, I see your point.
but at least the timing makes sense for the character of Maul to be involved. I'll still put it far above Dr. E/Ponda Baba cameo
It's two dudes that are well past their prime. That fight was exactly what it should of been
Having watched the TV shows, it actually feels fairly organic to me, aside from the ever present "shrinking universe issue" (this time via Han having connections to Maul). Maul runs various crime syndicates in the shows and spends much of his time trying to amass power in the shadows, and a figure like Maul being at the top does a lot to explain just why exactly everyone was so fearful of failing.
god I love this fucking movieMaybe it was because of the dim movie theatre but I was least impressed with Solo's cinematography of any of the new four, although it was still pretty good.
TFA and TLJ both looked excellent and I definitely wouldn't call them cheap looking.
Not saying I want jumping around or whatever, just for it to last longer than two seconds.
In the way that people normally use it? No, not really.
Maul is a massively important character in Star Wars lore after he was brought back and he was very active during this time period, it makes perfect sense for him to be a player in those circles. It's not like he was shoehorned in as a fun camero.
Fan service isn't necessarily bad, it's bad when it's literally nothing more than that and in no way organic to the story. Luke drinking milk from the tit in TLJ is fan service, but it also serves the story and reinforces his character. Jyn Erson in Rogue One bumping into those two wanted criminals that fuck with Luke in ANH serves nothing. The movie literally stops so we can wink and nod at the audience for no reason. Maul, on the other hand, makes perfect sense. It builds off of the EU (Clone Wars) and is actually built up the entire movie right down to the name.
Maul's last-minute introduction doesn't make any sense in the context of this film's story though. His appearance is only to shock, surprise and delight the people that recognize the character. If he were to be replaced by a different brand new character you'd just be like "What? What was the point of that? Why did a new villain appear in the last 4 minutes of the movie?"
The entire film features no Jedi or force users, but then at the very end they have to have someone show up and fire up a lightsaber for no apparent reason.
I'm not saying fan service is bad, or that he was shoe-horned in. I think he was chosen to be in that cameo scene both as fan service and because said fan service made sense in the world and story. I think him turning on his lightsaber is bizarre fan service that serves nothing, however.
Definitely
And I didn't complain about any fan service in Rogue One.
fair, but in cinematic / larger universes, that stuff matters, and Marvel has proven that.
it probably shoulda been a post credits sequence... if Star Wars ever started doing those
Like i said in the post above, I really don't think that's a cameo. It felt like very deliberate set up for something.
The entire movie we're told Dryden serves an even worse Master, someone even he fears and must answer to, the leader of Crimson Dawn. It makes sense that this leader is revealed at the end. And, it makes sense that Maul is the leader from the Clone Wars. And, since they're likely planning on future movies in this time frame, it makes sense for this to be revealed now. Maul is obviously going to play apart in these future movies. We'll likely witness his downfall as the leader of Crimson Dawn. It's like Thanos getting teased at the end of Avengers, it's not super important now but will be later.
Maybe for books or something, but I definitely don't think they had the confidence in this film to be dreaming of a sequel.
It's very clear that Qira is hiding something else from the moment she shows up again. Maul was the answer.
I'm not sure what "context" you needed other than that?
I haven't seen the film or any of the shows but from what I'm reading, Mauls appearance works perfectly since most of the audience already knows him and how terrifying he is, and if the figure leading this crime syndicate is meant to be terrifying, your character building is already done the moment we see him.
I would very much consider Thanos in Avengers to be fanservice though. It's a knowing and deliberate callback to established material that doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless you have a pretty intimate familiarity with canon established beyond the films.
That said, I suppose you're right that Maul was implicitly referenced previously in the film though. I remember thinking it was going to be Jabba.....which probably would have been just as much of a groaner to me.
There was enough depth and dramatic potential from the criminal underworld setting that there was no real need to tie this back into the rebellion. Han helping the proto-rebellion felt very sudden to me, and it has to be the least interesting choice they could have come up with.
This is probably fan-fiction territory, but I think it was a missed opportunity to not use the sabaac game as a framing device for the movie, Han and Lando being unreliable narrators to the story while playing for the Falcon would have been a lot more fun than how straightforward everything is presented.
Saw it last night, and I generally liked it, but it is my least favourite of the Disney era movies so far.
My main problem with it is the lack of escalation in the screenplay. There is barely any stakes raising, which gives the story a very episodic feel. The third act for instance felt anticlimatic because of this. This is in part due to the badguy not being very interesting at all. IN this it was a bit a reverse Rogue One for me, where I found the first half a bit lacking to ramp it up in the second. I loved how Solo kicked of, but found it fizzling out by the end.
But then again, I had a lot of fun to. The action is cool, the cinematography was on point and there is a great sense of fun overall with some typical Star Wars-humor. Alden was amazing imo, as was Glover.
It will feel shoehorned in for a lot of people unfamiliar with the tv shows. It will also feel strange to a lot of people assuming he is dead since Episode I. To me it felt like a sequel bait cameo that was pretty unessecairy (Qi'Ra just taking over Crimson Dawn without being in cahoots with someone would've been stronger as a character moment even imo)
My main problem with it is the lack of escalation in the screenplay. There is barely any stakes raising, which gives the story a very episodic feel. The third act for instance felt anticlimatic because of this. This is in part due to the badguy not being very interesting at all. IN this it was a bit a reverse Rogue One for me, where I found the first half a bit lacking to ramp it up in the second. I loved how Solo kicked of, but found it fizzling out by the end.
But then again, I had a lot of fun to. The action is cool, the cinematography was on point and there is a great sense of fun overall with some typical Star Wars-humor. Alden was amazing imo, as was Glover.
It will feel shoehorned in for a lot of people unfamiliar with the tv shows. It will also feel strange to a lot of people assuming he is dead since Episode I. To me it felt like a sequel bait cameo that was pretty unessecairy (Qi'Ra just taking over Crimson Dawn without being in cahoots with someone would've been stronger as a character moment even imo)
I mean yeah, like I said it's totally fan service. But, that in and of itself is not a bad thing. Both reveals are built up to in their respective films. And, both are clearly launching points for future films.
Darth Maul is like the Thanos or Nick Fury of Star Wars.
It's not some simple nod... this is them opening up the possibility of future movies.
It's not some simple nod... this is them opening up the possibility of future movies.
Fun flick. Didn't exactly set my hair on fire but I throughly enjoyed my time with it.
Han wasn't quite as scoundrely as I expected and the ending didn't seem to cut him as deep as I think it was meant to, but it's not hard to see this character developing into the one we know.
The Han/Chewy relationship felt natural and was really well done I thought.
Han wasn't quite as scoundrely as I expected and the ending didn't seem to cut him as deep as I think it was meant to, but it's not hard to see this character developing into the one we know.
The Han/Chewy relationship felt natural and was really well done I thought.