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Plasma

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That was really good I liked that one more than Rogue One but it could have used a bit more Lando.

The Maul cameo was cool and I guess he'll turn up in the Boba Fett film though it's bit of a shame that they already killed him off (again) in Rebels so he won't get a final big screen showdown against Obi Wan.
 

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Just got back from this. Friend's work took the whole office so I was his +1, good excuse to fuck off early on the holiday weekend. Fun movie. Nothing amazing. About on par with any Disney/marvel shit. Originals are still better.
 

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That was really good I liked that one more than Rogue One but it could have used a bit more Lando.

The Maul cameo was cool and I guess he'll turn up in the Boba Fett film though it's bit of a shame that they already killed him off (again) in Rebels so he won't get a final big screen showdown against Obi Wan.

Shit, I didn't think about that.

That would work really well actually.
 

shtolky

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just saw it in IMAX. Was very fun. I think people sometimes forget that word...fun. It didn't reinvent anything or try to be any more than it was supposed to be, a very fun popcorn flick that was very entertaining.
 

LifeLine

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I liked a lot about the film, but man was it very poorly paced. Honestly could've used some more humor or something more engaging because parts of the movie were a slog.


I'm expecting the upcoming Kenobi and Boba Fett films will be a continuation of Solo. Wouldn't be surprised in Han is the Boba Fett one.


Maul cameo was unexpected, and liked the Han shot first moment in the end!
 

Diego Renault

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saw it a second time. it's legitimately all of this: a great movie, a great han solo origin story and a great star wars movie. after the original trilogy, it's the best star wars movie hands down.

it's plenty of fun, has a lot of heart and great characters (I loved the whole cast).

sound design was amazing, as were the action sequences and the movie was beautifully shot. particularily the set design was freaking on point.

I can't understand the complaints about the pacing one bit. I sometimes felt the story was even progressing a bit too quickly.
 

Big One

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Oct 25, 2017
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They shouldn't be. One cartoon TV episode barely anyone has seen shouldn't block a good story idea for a movie.
They aren't going to retcon it no matter what happens. The Kenobi and Maul rivalry already ended in the Phantom Menace in the movie goer's eyes. The feud they had afterwards, when Maul came back, was a Clone Wars - Rebels thing. In fact I think a Darth Maul standalone film showcasing his work in crime syndicates is much more interesting of a premise to me without focusing entirely on the Kenobi feud.
 

Halbrand

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The Kenobi and Maul rivalry already ended in the Phantom Menace in the movie goer's eyes.
In the movie goer's eyes, Darth Maul already died. A rematch between them or even Darth Maul returning at all isn't something I'm necessarily big on, but if there actually is a Kenobi film it would definitely make sense to use Maul, even if it's Obi-Wan vs. Maul's crime syndicate or whatever.
 
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Pretty sure yeah

I wonder if the Boba movie will be him hunting down Solo for Maul

Is it bad that I don't want a Boba film? What made the character so interesting is that everything about him was shrouded in mystery, and I don't want that to happen any more than was unfortunately done via the prequel trilogy.
 

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In the movie goer's eyes, Darth Maul already died. A rematch between them or even Darth Maul returning at all isn't something I'm necessarily big on, but if there actually is a Kenobi film it would definitely make sense to use Maul, even if it's Obi-Wan vs. Maul's crime syndicate or whatever.
Lucasfilm has been absolutely adamant the tv media is equal to the films. There is not much wiggle room here.
 

golem

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Is it bad that I don't want a Boba film? What made the character so interesting is that everything about him was shrouded in mystery, and I don't want that to happen any more than was unfortunately done via the prequel trilogy.
Im with you on the fact that I dont care too much about learning more of Boba's story

But the Mangold news has me interested and Solo's depiction of the lawless underground has me wanting to see more of non-Force SW.
 

Big One

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In the movie goer's eyes, Darth Maul already died. A rematch between them or even Darth Maul returning at all isn't something I'm necessarily big on, but if there actually is a Kenobi film it would definitely make sense to use Maul, even if it's Obi-Wan vs. Maul's crime syndicate or whatever.
This is true which is why I think it's a bad idea all around to bring him to the movies at the moment. However at the same time if they release a movie explaining how Darth Maul survived exactly (we were told how in Clone Wars but we never actually see it) they could perhaps get away with something like that. As for Kenobi vs. Maul the only chance of it happening is if Kenobi goes off-planet for a bit which would be a huge stretch for his character imo, since Maul doesn't know where Kenobi is hiding out at when he's first introduced in Rebels.
 

Stopdoor

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The Maul thing was kind of disappointing to me when I realized it wasn't going to be resolved at all in this or clearly any future film. Has Star Wars ever had such brazen "sequel" bait before? Unless the plotline gets continued in the Kenobi spinoff (is that even locked down?) we'd have to wait years for any sort of movie resolution.
 

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The Maul thing was kind of disappointing to me when I realized it wasn't going to be resolved at all in this or clearly any future film. Has Star Wars ever had such brazen "sequel" bait before? Unless the plotline gets continued in the Kenobi spinoff (is that even locked down?) we'd have to wait years for any sort of movie resolution.
Technically it has already been resolved in Rebels. Assuming you want the Kenobi vs Maul final showdown
 

MasterYoshi

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I'm dying to see Jabba's palace again. I wonder if they'll include shit like the Rancor, or the Max Reebo band?
 

NightOnyx

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Just saw it. I didn't have high expectations going in but I really enjoyed it. It was just a fun movie, nothing ground breaking but way better than I would have expected. The big set piece scenes were all very well done and the visuals for the movie are outstanding.

I also really like Alden's Solo. With all the reports of how he was struggling and needed an acting coach, I expected him to not be very good but I thought he did a good job and was very likable. He's not Harrison Ford but he wasn't trying to do an exact copy of his performance, and I think that was a good thing. I actually like the whole cast honestly, Woody and Donald were great. Emilia isn't the best actress but I thought her character was still fine. Chewy was fantastic as well.

Glad I didn't have Maul spoiled for me, such a cool moment. Obviously he's been in the animated shows, but I still never thought he would show up in the movies again. It could just be a cool cameo but man a final show down with Ewan's Obi Wan in the side movie for him that I am dying for them to announce would be epic!

Lastly, I hope the movie does better at the box office then the initial figures have suggestion. It's a fun movie and I hope it doesn't tank. I went to a 4:45 showing so I don't expect a sell out but my theater was not very full at all, so that was disappointing. Maybe word of mouth will help, seems like a lot of people had similar feelings than I did about the movie.
 
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Im with you on the fact that I dont care too much about learning more of Boba's story

But the Mangold news has me interested and Solo's depiction of the lawless underground has me wanting to see more of non-Force SW.

Yeah there's room to expand on the underground in specific locales too. Hopefully that TV series focuses on that aspect of society.
 

golem

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Yeah there's room to expand on the underground in specific locales too. Hopefully that TV series focuses on that aspect of society.
I think a Boba movie could work like a Man with No Name movie or a Terminator movie, where the title character is just a catalyst for things happening in other characters' lives

If its an 'everything we know about boba's backstory run through' again like Solo was I'm going to roll my eyes.

Although I guess it worked ok in Solo I don't want them to hit that well again.
 

BDS

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If you want to ignore the TV shows so you can see a big budget overly-choreographed sooper-cool laser sword fight between two old guys, you are what's wrong with the Star Wars fandom and hopefully you will not be catered to.
 

Einchy

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Whatever plans they have for Maul were set with the knowledge that Filoni was ending his story in Rebels. I do agree that it's a bummer that Obi-Wan's movie won't be about Maul since the end of Solo could've been an amazing lead into re-introducing him back into the movies and then having the next movie be about him going after Obi-Wan.

If that Boba Fett movies does plan out, though, I can imagine Maul being a big factor in there since Maul is a massive crime lord.
 

Kirblar

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The Maul thing was kind of disappointing to me when I realized it wasn't going to be resolved at all in this or clearly any future film. Has Star Wars ever had such brazen "sequel" bait before? Unless the plotline gets continued in the Kenobi spinoff (is that even locked down?) we'd have to wait years for any sort of movie resolution.
Empire says hi.
 

jstevenson

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Whatever plans they have for Maul were set with the knowledge that Filoni was ending his story in Rebels. I do agree that it's a bummer that Obi-Wan's movie won't be about Maul since the end of Solo could've been an amazing lead into re-introducing him back into the movies and then having the next movie be about him going after Obi-Wan.

If that Boba Fett movies does plan out, though, I can imagine Maul being a big factor in there since Maul is a massive crime lord.

I just think any attempt to top the lightsaber fight from The Phantom Menace, on Tatooine, with just Maul and Obi-Wan, would never hit the mark.

That's why Filoni handled it the way he did. It's perfect as is. Maul's arc ended so well already - and fans of the TV series already know that.
 
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Yeah, I've been pretty much convinced since I started thinking about it all last night that Boba will be a "soft" sequel to Solo, in that it'll pick up on Solo's unresolved plot-points/dangling threads and have cast cross-over. It all could connect pretty neatly, especially since Han and Boba always occupied the same "sphere" of the universe anyway, so there's not too much of a "shrinking universe" problem. And Darth Maul being a significant element of Boba Fett wouldn't be that crazy given that Maul runs crime syndicates and briefly ruled Mandalore.

Hell, it even seems reasonable Jango knew Maul in some way given that the Clones were ordered around when Maul was still Palpatine's apprentice.
 

Halbrand

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If you want to ignore the TV shows so you can see a big budget overly-choreographed sooper-cool laser sword fight between two old guys, you are what's wrong with the Star Wars fandom and hopefully you will not be catered to.
The TV shows are trash though

And it's not something I absolutely want to see, but bringing Maul back at all was as fanservicey was you're making that sound. This is the first time in a long time that more than half of the Star Wars movies have been at least good.
 
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Sub Level

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I just think any attempt to top the lightsaber fight from The Phantom Menace, on Tatooine, with just Maul and Obi-Wan, would never hit the mark.

It could if it tried to be intimate. It could be the Logan of star wars. Gritty, impactful hits. Down in the dirty. Saber to saver. Punch to face. Knee to stomach. Just something really raw.
 
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It could if it tried to be intimate. It could be the Logan of star wars. Gritty, impactful hits. Down in the dirty. Saber to saver. Punch to face. Knee to stomach. Just something really raw.
Given the surprising and more emotionally engaging way they cap off the scene (with them bonding over a hope that Luke would be the chosen one and defeat Palpatine, and almost even quietly making amends), the graceful, classical duel between two aging rivals was the better approach. It all just made much more sense for the weary old warriors well past their prime, with a long and bitter relationship, and was just more interesting. And all-out brawl would have been the easy and lazy route. What they did added depth to both the characters and the relationship that wouldn't have been there otherwise, giving Maul a more appropriate ending for the character he became across the shows, and transitioning Obi-Wan from the prequel era to the OT.

(It also evoked western stand-offs, furthering the western influences of the series.)
 
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Stopdoor

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Technically it has already been resolved in Rebels. Assuming you want the Kenobi vs Maul final showdown

Yeah, but I don't think the implication of having a capable lady apprentice/subordinate was addressed there?


I meant the problem with this is more that it isn't really following up on anything in this movie and doesn't seem guaranteed to be in any future one. Much different from Empire. This is much more... manipulative? I dunno. Maybe the wrong word, but it's more for setup of something else entirely than any real dramatic beat in this movie. Feels weird.
 
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I think a Boba movie could work like a Man with No Name movie or a Terminator movie, where the title character is just a catalyst for things happening in other characters' lives

If its an 'everything we know about boba's backstory run through' again like Solo was I'm going to roll my eyes.

Although I guess it worked ok in Solo I don't want them to hit that well again.

I definitely like the terminator style idea. Something from the perspective of Boba hunting them down allowing more screen time for the character but as you say not providing an explanation for absolutely everything about them in the OT.
 

Fj0823

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Yeah, but I don't think the implication of having a capable lady apprentice/subordinate was addressed there?



I meant the problem with this is more that it isn't really following up on anything in this movie and doesn't seem guaranteed to be in any future one. Much different from Empire. This is much more... manipulative? I dunno. Maybe the wrong word, but it's more for setup of something else entirely than any real dramatic beat in this movie. Feels weird.

He wants Ezra as his apprentice so probably she isn't going to cut it
 

Scrobbles

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This was a fucking blast.

I've been singing his praises since I saw Hail Caesar and he got cast as Han, but Alden really nailed the character. Of course Donald Glover killed it, too. I was honestly really impressed by Paul Bettany. Dude was menacing as hell when he needed to be.

I know people have been talking about the second act being the highlight, and I agree, but I really loved everything on Savareen. That's where the western vibes were the strongest. Just double cross after double cross.

I need more young Han and Lando.
 

NSA

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Just thinking about the movie again today makes me smile.. It was so much fun to watch.. And now talk about with my friends. It's such a good feeling as a Star Wars fan .
 

KillstealWolf

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...I'm going to be the debbie downer and be that one person that was Meh on this, aren't I?

I thought it was... servicable? That's the word. It wasn't bad, but nothing about it really stood out.

A lot of the film was also way too dark for some reason, really hard to see what was even going on. Maybe that's why I didn't like it too much. Got better at the end. But... I dunno, didn't work for me. I would have much prefered to have seen Lord and Miller's full take on this than what we got.

Lando and K-16 were enjoyable at least.
 

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Sucks to hear it's performing below expectations.

I really enjoyed Rogue One but this deserves to do so much better.

They really should have waited to release it in December.
 

MagicHobo

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Yeah, I've been pretty much convinced since I started thinking about it all last night that Boba will be a "soft" sequel to Solo, in that it'll pick up on Solo's unresolved plot-points/dangling threads and have cast cross-over. It all could connect pretty neatly, especially since Han and Boba always occupied the same "sphere" of the universe anyway, so there's not too much of a "shrinking universe" problem. And Darth Maul being a significant element of Boba Fett wouldn't be that crazy given that Maul runs crime syndicates and briefly ruled Mandalore.

Hell, it even seems reasonable Jango knew Maul in some way given that the Clones were ordered around when Maul was still Palpatine's apprentice.
At the end of Solo I assumed they would just make more adventures with Han, but this makes more sense. Instead, Qi'ra and Maul will pop up in the Boba Fett movie as the glue connecting the side stories, and presumably at some point Qi'ra betrays Maul by sabotaging his ship and isolating him on Malachor, ending his story in the films (to be resolved in Rebels) and then Qi'ra will ascend to leader of the Crimson Dawn.

Her story could then be resumed in a later Han sequel, some other "underworld" film (Lando?), or maybe even in the post-ROTJ live action series, with Alden and Donald Glover occasionally dropping in as cameos.
 

Quinton

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Pretty fun movie. I usually like movies more on rewatches than first times around, so I hesitate to say this so soon, but I feel pretty safe in saying this will go down as my least favorite of the Disney-era Lucasfilm crop to-date. This isn't a huge deal, though, because they've been four-for-four with me. The Force Awakens is literally in my top 20 movies of all time and The Last Jedi's probably in my top 30. So yeah. This is fine, lol.

I wasn't wild about the third act. Maybe Westerns just aren't for me? I was expecting a bigger scale, I guess. It was still decent though and the second act was really good.

I want to reiterate that I thought this was fun. The whole way through, especially after the first half hour, it was fun, fun, fun. I loved the Enfys Nest reveal but I wish they did more with her -- ties in with my issues on act 3. Maybe I'll warm up to it more now that I know what to expect out of it.

It's a real shame I feel like Boba Fett and Obi Wan may be aborted and we might be stuck with comics and books only for follow-ups on this. The international box office numbers are especially dire, like, 80-87% drops from Rogue One. What the heck, even.
 
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...I'm going to be the debbie downer and be that one person that was Meh on this, aren't I?

I thought it was... servicable? That's the word. It wasn't bad, but nothing about it really stood out.

A lot of the film was also way too dark for some reason, really hard to see what was even going on. Maybe that's why I didn't like it too much. Got better at the end. But... I dunno, didn't work for me. I would have much prefered to have seen Lord and Miller's full take on this than what we got.

Lando and K-16 were enjoyable at least.
That's not super far off from where I am. I enjoyed it and thought it was fun, but it was largely "disposable". Inoffensive and altogether competent, but not something I'm gonna think about too much or rewatch a bunch. It's kind of the "Ant-Man" of the Star Wars universe for me.

I do think I'd prefer this version to Lord and Miller's though. Guardians of the Galaxy Far Far Away doesn't sound very appealing to me, because we already have Guardians for that (and I wasn't super thrilled with Guardians 2 either).
 

KillstealWolf

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Oh yeah, I guess on audience numbers in the theater on my end... it was fairly quiet, probably 10 to 15% full of one of their bigger cinemas. This is London in the UK.