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Pokémon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu (Switch) announced; coming Nov 16th 2018
- Thread starter Xavi
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Walking/running animations for every single Pokemon have been datamined from Sun/Moon, here are all the walking animations for the original 151. They could polish all of these and have them ready for LGPE as well as Gen 8. I think at the very least following Pokemon will return in next year's game - or rather, I hope and have good reason to expect, though who knows from Game Freak.
In Sun and Moon Ride Pokémon simply replace HMs. Puzzles and such use them instead of HM.
But I still wouldn't be surprised if puzzles were dumbed down
how many times have you posted something similar thus far? I get that being condescending seems commonplace on forums but you can be a better person. I see you got warned for one of them but kept going regardless :/
Is this going to be the base upon which future Pokemon are built? Or are we in for something different in 2019?
They announced, when they showed this off, that there's a far more traditional Pokemon game coming next year. So no, this isn't the base going forward. It's just a bridge for GO and lapsed players.
This contempt for players coming from Go and chest thumping about mainline games is really stupid. It's not that capturing being simpler this way that's important so much as it's more engaging and familiar. This is going to be more enjoyable for kids too and makes use of the joycons. And let's them sell a probably $40 - $50 accessory. Pokémon makes a lot more profit on the accessory than the game.
My knee jerk reaction was not very good. But upon further reflection, I have some thoughts.
At least the way I play Pokémon, the last three games in the series, the "wild" battles became kind of pointless pretty quickly. Because I would XP share (I know, that is a choice made), it would quickly turn to all my Pokémon being able to 1 hit kill wild animals (this is also due to me leveling up quickly). Point is, at least for me, I woudl run around and 1 hit kill wild Pokémon. Or i would land a single hit to get it down to red, just to increase the odds of capturing it.
So essentially, wild battles had become a 1 hit then capture thing for me. So them removing that, isn't that big of a deal for my playstyle. Plus the idea of them focusing more on the gameplay element of "capturing" Pokémon, is interesting to me. Capturing Pokémon has always been a core to the series, yet they haven't really done much over the years IMO, to change the gameplay for actually capturing.
I don't know all the details, so correct me if I'm wrong. But as long as they have more trainers in the wild, or more places to fight trainers (to level up), I'm kind of okay with this. Because when I played Sun/Moon, I would sometimes spend hours in a single area, just to capture Pokémon. That element has always been addicting to me. If this game has the normal amount of gyms, and a full length story/world, I acutally thing the new changes sound amazing for my playstyle.
I owned Red/Blue when they originally came out. And I have played the majority of the games in the series. But I also have never gotten hardcore into the meta of the game (the breeding/ shiny/ complex systems). So I can understand if those players have a different opinion. I also know I play the games a certain way. And by choice.
So I can understand if core fans of the series don't agree. The whole debate/conversation about this game is certainly interesting. I went from really hating the sound of this game, to actually thinking it will be good for my playstyle.
At least the way I play Pokémon, the last three games in the series, the "wild" battles became kind of pointless pretty quickly. Because I would XP share (I know, that is a choice made), it would quickly turn to all my Pokémon being able to 1 hit kill wild animals (this is also due to me leveling up quickly). Point is, at least for me, I woudl run around and 1 hit kill wild Pokémon. Or i would land a single hit to get it down to red, just to increase the odds of capturing it.
So essentially, wild battles had become a 1 hit then capture thing for me. So them removing that, isn't that big of a deal for my playstyle. Plus the idea of them focusing more on the gameplay element of "capturing" Pokémon, is interesting to me. Capturing Pokémon has always been a core to the series, yet they haven't really done much over the years IMO, to change the gameplay for actually capturing.
I don't know all the details, so correct me if I'm wrong. But as long as they have more trainers in the wild, or more places to fight trainers (to level up), I'm kind of okay with this. Because when I played Sun/Moon, I would sometimes spend hours in a single area, just to capture Pokémon. That element has always been addicting to me. If this game has the normal amount of gyms, and a full length story/world, I acutally thing the new changes sound amazing for my playstyle.
I owned Red/Blue when they originally came out. And I have played the majority of the games in the series. But I also have never gotten hardcore into the meta of the game (the breeding/ shiny/ complex systems). So I can understand if those players have a different opinion. I also know I play the games a certain way. And by choice.
So I can understand if core fans of the series don't agree. The whole debate/conversation about this game is certainly interesting. I went from really hating the sound of this game, to actually thinking it will be good for my playstyle.
The engine could still be the base for 'main BOTW sized pokemon game' next year.
That's what I'd heard, but I wasn't sure if this was going to be full of prototypes/ideas used in future mainline games and therefore a stepping stone to Pokemon Gen 8 or not.
Yeah, like if Gen 8 is basically this new Pokemon but more fleshed out and with more traditional Pokemon elements.
It's a bit weird that people are blaming potentially lower difficulty in these games on Go players, when the last two generations have been made significantly easier already.
" Is the game not targeted at people who have barely if ever played a game?"
"THREE ways? Slow down man, let's start with teaching me how to flail my arms at the screen first."
"This game is targeted at gaga googoo babies who may not even have the physical strength to hold a Switch."
"Can we turn it into a Super Mario Makeresque auto run level where I just watch as Pokémon appear on the screen?"
"This is an actual picture from Pokemon Let's Go! Pikachu and Eevee."
"THE POWER OF THE NINTENDO SWITCH"
I hope in hindsight this reads back as fairly immature
those are all from the same person
I'm down for this. Let's go eevee. Shame it doesn't evolve but riding on the hat made me chuckle
the statement the CEO made makes sense in that Let's Go is made to be a bridge for Go players to dip into the main games
didn't think about that tbh
didn't think about that tbh
Funnily enough as a competitive Pokemon player who got back into Pokemon Go 2 weeks ago, I find capturing Pokemon a lot harder there than the traditional way lol. In the other games I can False Swipe, status, then spam balls.
In go, I have to actually time my throw right, adjust for the mons size and movement behavior, and also try to curve the ball (which I suck ass at lol). Pokemon Go may have a more "casual" way of catching mons, but I don't think that actually makes it easier!
In go, I have to actually time my throw right, adjust for the mons size and movement behavior, and also try to curve the ball (which I suck ass at lol). Pokemon Go may have a more "casual" way of catching mons, but I don't think that actually makes it easier!
It sounds hilarious to me. But I must say that the Let's Go games can very much become the Skyward Sword of Pokémon if not done right. And so far the directions they showed in the trailer and the Q&As are... not reassuring in that respect.
It goes both ways. They also want to get Pokemon fans that quit Pokemon Go to come back, and get those who never tried it to give it a go.
Skyward Sword was the once in a console release main Zelda game though.
Well, once if you were lucky since Wii U didnt have an exclusive Zelda game :S
I'm wondering whether people's fears that the game will be dumbed down are largely unfounded – because Pokemon has always hidden or brushed away most of the more intricate mechanics anyway. There's absolutely no need as a casual player, or even a collector player, to know about stuff like IVs, hidden abilities, natures, EVs etc. to enjoy the game. As a kid I certainly didn't.
So why would Game Freak remove them? Pokemon has always been a casual-first experience with a complex strategy system and metagame available for those who want to go deeper. What makes you think Let's Go will work differently?
So why would Game Freak remove them? Pokemon has always been a casual-first experience with a complex strategy system and metagame available for those who want to go deeper. What makes you think Let's Go will work differently?
Maybe, but will go players be overwhelmed by all the new pokemon in gen 8 and new mechanics?
The fact they're releasing a casual game (which I think looks really cool) this year bodes well for fans of the core-series.
When they slowly started making the game more casual in gen 6/7 I kinda gave up on them ever returning to the gen 3-5 style, but I think the fact they have a casual focused game separate may let them make the 2019 game much more core focused and have more difficulty/depth than Sun & Moon.
When they slowly started making the game more casual in gen 6/7 I kinda gave up on them ever returning to the gen 3-5 style, but I think the fact they have a casual focused game separate may let them make the 2019 game much more core focused and have more difficulty/depth than Sun & Moon.
The two could've easily been combined.
Wild Pokemon are visible in the overworld like Go. You can catch them right away with the go like mini game but it's tough depending on level. If you're not able to catch it right away, you can then battle it to weaken it and then do the go mini game when it's ready to be captured
I find that hard to believe that the attempt to bridge would be successful. If people dropped the game back then with Gen I Pokemon, I really find it hard to believe that people will connect to Pokemon games that will have distributions with Gens II-VIII Pokemon.
Yeah, I've been thinking about it and I think if those things are removed it could be as simple as them not wanting to deal with transferring Go Pokemon into the more traditional core games. They obviously still want to capitalize on the success of Pokemon Go and have it work with a Switch game though, so we're getting the Let's Go games. If this is case I could see the Let's Go continuing as its own line of games, but Go and Let's Go won't have trading/transferring with the traditional core games.
And thats not before convincing them to drop ~400 dollars to play the games in the first place when their main connection to the franchise nowadays is through a free to play app on a phone
Also the fact that asking people to download a free app and asking people to buy a $300 console + $60 game are 2 completely different things.
Even if it only works on one percent of current GO players it'd be thousands of units sold. They lose nothing for trying.
Sure, that actually does sound like a more interesting way to do it!
This thought popped into my mind as well, I really hope it's the case.
I said that in the Switch 20mil sales thread and I got told that this game can reach RBY/GSC sales despite the fact that the biggest mountain to climb is exactly what both of you said. I think it'll hit 15-16mil as people are really underestimating how hard of a sell it is to tell someone to buy a 300 dollar console + 60 dollar game to play a game that's essentially Pokemon Go: Gen I edition, when their first connection to the games is a free-to-play mobile game that in their eyes, is just as good as playing a main Pokemon game.
But then it's like what was the point? This example isn't exactly the best, but it's like when GF panders so much to the Gen I fanbase in XY/SM, despite the fact that a large portion of the Gen I fanbase has consistently shown that they do not care about the series past the original 151. Why not spend your efforts on things that would sustain the game at a more efficient rate?
I know a lot of people who lapsed in Go and the main series who will pick this up, but either way 1% of all players who ever played Go is still 8 million copies and 1% of current active players is at least 650k sales. They're pretty signifsnt numbers though obviously there's overlap with those who buy the games anyway.
However, in my experience most people I've met playing Go locally at raids do not play the mainline series. They're also older than the average mainline Pokémon fan. I've seen some interest in the Discord groups in the new game and "guess I have to buy a swtich" from them though.
I'm seeing a lot of this in this thread:
Guys, stop acting like each and every game should appeal to you "hardcore gamer" crowd.
This is NOT for you. The game for you is coming next year, so I think you'd be better off either staying with us trying to discover what these new games offer or move on to something that is tailored for you.
Anyway I'm the kind of stupid Pokémon fan that basically buys everything without even thinking, no way I'm not getting Let's Go.
Everything I've seen so far seem cool, the new changes seem to make some aspects of the games less tedious and I'm all for it.
Guys, stop acting like each and every game should appeal to you "hardcore gamer" crowd.
This is NOT for you. The game for you is coming next year, so I think you'd be better off either staying with us trying to discover what these new games offer or move on to something that is tailored for you.
Anyway I'm the kind of stupid Pokémon fan that basically buys everything without even thinking, no way I'm not getting Let's Go.
Everything I've seen so far seem cool, the new changes seem to make some aspects of the games less tedious and I'm all for it.
One percent of current GO players is like 600k people. I'd think one game to get that number into the series proper is worth it. It'd be worth it at half a percent. Imagine if they get more than one percent. How is it not easily a risk worth taking?
This is such a weird take. You do realize Pokemon has always been "casual?" Like yes, it's a series that has managed to develop a subsection of the user base to try out competitive battling, but for the most part, you can literally pick up any Pokemon game and play it with no prior knowledge or even any advanced knowledge of the mechanics. This is why I don't get why people are bringing up the "hardcore gamer crowd" in a series that has never been about being hardcore.
Yeah I don't get it either, I got into Go for the first time like two weeks ago too cause of the rumors to see what it was about, and there is as much if not more to consider if you want to increase your chances of a capture in Go than in the main games.
The main games are a bit more about planning while Go is maybe more about precision and reflexes that's pretty much the difference, in Go it's also pretty much the only decent gameplay mechanic as well.
And there's that.
Of course, I know, that's even more ironical when you think about it, and that's why I put hardcore gamer between "".
I mean, 20- or 30- year olds crying because a game for children has some, let's say, QoL improvements to ease the Go crowd into the series?
I really don't know what to think at this point. I'm still convinced it's just a vocal minority thing and this games will sell a crap ton anyway, as they should.
In all honesty I don't even see it being a risk. This is going to sell as well as any of the mainline games on 3DS if not better.
its more like smash where its intended to be casual but they acknowledge the existence of the hardcore players, to an extent.
and then add festival plazas and 20 second long attack cutscenes
Because Pokemon has actually become too hardcore for newbies.
I'm was thinking about this yesterday, but it's avtually crazy that a series like Pokemon, POKEMON for gods sake, is having to make a rebooted game that is more accessible.
It should never have gone as hardcore as it did.
This is true in a sense. I failed and wasted more pokeballs in Go due to what it involved. But it was also because pokemon were able to run. Now if they bring that into this and every wild pokemon is like Abra lite, that would not be good...
They removed having to weaken a wild pokemon before capture, so there's a possibility the more advanced stuff is gone. Especially with combat power showing up. Pokemon Go does stats differently, and his game game may need to be compatible. There's a lot we don't know, though.
Personally, if this really is more casual, I'd rather keep wild battles but get rid of the IV/EV stuff. Not the other way around.
I meant game design-wise. Bad philosophies that intended to make the game more streamlined and accesible, both for players and the designers making it, ended up creating the most simplistic, boring and watered-down Zelda to date, riddled with formulaic routines and lost potential... while trying to innovate with the flying mechanic and motion-controlled sword, but failing in the execution.
Good thing was that because of the failures of Skyward Sword, we later got Breath of the Wild, which is not only one of the best Zelda games ever made, but the best selling too. Makes you think about what is truly important, and what bad philosophies can do to a game and/or franchise.
Personally, I'm still excited about the Let's Go games, but more than anything is because I can't wait to see how everything turns out to be...
My girlfriend and I have been starting to catch the shit out of Pokémon in Pokémon GO.
I am almost willing to bet that transferring them to the game will come with a massive catch LMAO.
I am almost willing to bet that transferring them to the game will come with a massive catch LMAO.
How exactly has it become too hardcore? Isn't the general conscientious that the 3DS games do too much hand holding?
I just want to chip in and say that the excitement for the Let's Go! games in my Pokemon Go community is palpable. People are excited at the prospect of a new accessory and they are excited to revisit the Gen 1 games with Pokemon they have caught in Go.
It's worth noting that some of them have already bought Switches in anticipation for Pokemon games; I had a conversation with a mother who's first and only experience of playing Nintendo products personally (ie, not her kid's stuff) was via Pokemon Go and she recently bought a Switch and Pokken (!) just to get a fix.
People seem to forget that the Pokemon Go community is massive, still. We have a local community that organises raids on a daily basis, a big Facebook group as well as a Discord server. The trailers for Let's Go! have spread like wildfire. I will not be surprised if there is a relatively high conversion rate. Obviously, you aren't going to convince everybody but, anecdotally, the excitement is real.
Also probably worth noting that (at least locally), the crossover between people who play Pokemon Go and people who are "core" gamers is relatively low. There are about 5-10 of us in a community 200+ that have any interest in video games in general outside of Pokemon Go. It's easy to see why Game Freak and Nintendo might be wanting to bridge those customers into the main games.
are...are you saying this game will have some great dungeons and music? SS gets so much hate despite doing some things really well
Hardcore isn't about in game tutorials.
It's about the competitive scene, breeding, IVs etc.
I never got the "gen 7 is easy narrative". I mean, turn exp share off and it's easily just as hard, if not harder than gen 5.