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Redcrayon

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This is a case where the few bad apples didn't just spoil the bunch, but somehow spread seeds and are now rotten trees. And I think Miyazaki is right, that a huge problem is creators are not looking outside their medium for inspiration and creativity. They're just continually looking inward, with expectations and creations becoming ever more ridiculous as a result.

Were the situation more balanced the discussion wouldn't be as lopsided as it has become. Whether it's a major or minor franchise, rampant objectification is spilling into a ton of games.

One that makes me angrier than all the others is what happened to Valkyrie Profile.
She went from this (Valkyrie Profile 1):
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To this (Valkyrie Anatomia - bottom is the "Pale Valkyrie" form):
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From 'thoughtful warrior' to 'I'll pose in a way that focuses on my arse, tits and now-exposed thighs' to 'I think we can lose a good 50% of the coverage of platemail and still call it armoured'.

What is it with these costumes that don't have the element covering the breasts linked in the middle? If it's a racy experimental evening dress for the red carpet, sure, there's the creative element of fashion etc, but when it's individual armoured breast cups with no shoulder straps it just looks like it's only a bit of glue holding it on. Maybe that's the point, that they look moments away from the costume falling off.

I'll never understand the armour/lingerie combo that seems really common, it just looks so profoundly uncomfortable and ridiculous to see someone pairing suspenders and a g-string with a massive boobplate (Hi Fire Emblem). I suppose that's a male fantasy/fetish that goes back a very long way.
 
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Well, what's even more absurd is that the first concept art of Valkyrie does present her as being vulnerable, which is presented with an inward facing body language. It's clear that there's a deeply conflicted character there, and we see that in the game itself as well as how her character develops throughout the story! It's almost as if a character can be presented as being vulnerable without also having to have her tits out and she can still be a capable warrior as well!

This right here is stoic, thoughtful character design.
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And I can't say the same about even a portion of the current character design in jRPGs.
 

Redcrayon

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Well, what's even more absurd is that the first concept art of Valkyrie does present her as being vulnerable, which is presented with an inward facing body language. It's clear that there's a deeply conflicted character there, and we see that in the game itself as well as how her character develops throughout the story! It's almost as if a character can be presented as being vulnerable without also having to have her tits out and she can still be a capable warrior as well!
That art actually sold me on Lenneth on PSP, the character looked like such a cool, conflicted/thoughtful take on a Valkyrie rather than an angry mounted warrior on the attack.

Talk of armour/lingerie reminded me of this blog post I read a while ago. Most examples already discussed in this thread but worth a look for the 'pointless Male armour' pic!
http://madartlab.com/fantasy-armor-and-lady-bits/
 
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esserius

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That art actually sold me on Lenneth on PSP, the character looked like such a cool, conflicted/thoughtful take on a Valkyrie rather than an angry mounted warrior on the attack.
And let's be legit, I don't even mind that as a form characterization, that can be cool too.
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But it's still gotta be more than the nothing we frequently get for it to have lasting impact.

One video game that has decent female characterization every 5-10 years is not a good look.
 

Redcrayon

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And let's be legit, I don't even mind that as a form characterization, that can be cool too.
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But it's still gotta be more than the nothing we frequently get for it to have lasting impact.

One video game that has decent female characterization every 5-10 years is not a good look.
Absolutely- nothing wrong with Valkyries charging around and hitting shit, I meant the pose struck me as original and evocative. I immediately thought 'that looks like an RPG with tough decisions to make over life and death on the road to Valhalla', which seems perfectly fitting!
 

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In some possibly positive news, the results are in for that Bloodstained backer survey that went out a couple of months back and...the beach wear/maid/nun outfits weren't very popular at all?

Top three were, in fact, 1) Elegant Vampire, 2) Armoured Valkyrie, and 3) Succubus.
 

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While other Ys games had at least decent and stroing female protagonists, even releasing Adol from jail (Ys IV), Ys VIII left a sour taste. First time Adol meets his female partner who will fight along him, he sees her naked taking a bath. Of course she slaps him. She also catwalks. This really ruins any motive to see her as equal throughout the journey. This is far worse than all those special female clothes later on.
I'd have expected this from other JRPGs, but never from Ys....
 

Redcrayon

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While other Ys games had at least decent and stroing female protagonists, even releasing Adol from jail (Ys IV), Ys VIII left a sour taste. First time Adol meets his female partner who will fight along him, he sees her naked taking a bath. Of course she slaps him. She also catwalks. This really ruins any motive to see her as equal throughout the journey. This is far worse than all those special female clothes later on.
I'd have expected this from other JRPGs, but never from Ys....
The whole scene just felt like a replay of the introduction of male/female lead in Trails of Cold Steel by the same developer a few months earlier. I mean, 'accident ensues, inappropriate view/touching, young man presumed to be pervert, *slap*. It's the developer having their cake and eating it- "here's our heroine looking nice and vulnerable. You like that don't you... you perverts *wink*"

Whenever I see a hot spring in a JRPG I just assume this scene will play out in the exact same way every time.

What I find really frustrating about this scene is that it's an important one for introducing a lead character, on a dangerous, unexplored island full of magical esoteric landmarks, who is an explorer's daughter with rudimentary survival/navigation/investigation skills. Would it have been so hard for Adol to find her sketching some runes she'd found, observing/making notes about the flora and fauna, or drawing a map, or doing something practical? No, because she's a pretty girl she's assumed to want to strip off at a moment's notice, and usually at the precise moment the player is nearby. It's a waste of a scene that could have shown some character detail instead of the most tired, obvious beats like 'bathing embarrassment' or 'I'm a noble, prim and proper, you're not, stay away from me'.
 
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Morrigan

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Yeah, that scene annoyed me too. Laxia isn't a bad character at all, but this scene, as well as her ridiculous outfit (super-tight shorts and corset with cleavage) completely undermine her character. Same with Dana and the other priestesses of Eternia strutting around in their underwear and yet acting all pompous and important, they were impossible to take seriously.

Game's still good and worth playing, I'd say stick with it, petran79 (there are no more stupid scenes like that with Laxia IIRC), but yeah it's disappointing that Falcom games have been openly regressing in their female representation since the last decade or so.
 

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Yeah, that scene annoyed me too. Laxia isn't a bad character at all, but this scene, as well as her ridiculous outfit (super-tight shorts and corset with cleavage) completely undermine her character. Same with Dana and the other priestesses of Eternia strutting around in their underwear and yet acting all pompous and important, they were impossible to take seriously.

Game's still good and worth playing, I'd say stick with it, petran79 (there are no more stupid scenes like that with Laxia IIRC), but yeah it's disappointing that Falcom games have been openly regressing in their female representation since the last decade or so.
I realise I bang on about practicality a lot but the only thing I did like about Laxia's outfit was her boots. Sure, they've got heels, but they look square/solid and she wasn't expecting to go hiking. They just seem a nice compromise between attractive design and practical. Maybe I've thought about this too much (and I'm sure my limited understanding of women's footwear is opening me up to claims that I don't know what I'm talking about here!).

I almost cheered when I saw an alternative costume for Dana become available. Then I saw it was exactly as skimpy but now just black and red instead. Adol got a nice shirt, if only Dana got the option of some cosy chunky knitwear... :-)
 
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Redcrayon

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In some possibly positive news, the results are in for that Bloodstained backer survey that went out a couple of months back and...the beach wear/maid/nun outfits weren't very popular at all?

Top three were, in fact, 1) Elegant Vampire, 2) Armoured Valkyrie, and 3) Succubus.
Wow that went so much better than I was expecting. Maybe the 'sexy outfit' vote got split by fetish :D
 

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Obviously garbage like that is not what I was thinking of when making that statement.

It's almost as if the vast majority of anime designs were highly sexualized, paedophilic, or both, and cherry picking a couple (and questionable) "well look at these highly empowered females! don't shit on anime!" was a disingenuous argument.

You don't get to point at a couple games of your choice to make your point about anime in general, then say "that's not what I was thinking about" when others point at... any other anime example at random, really.
 

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In some possibly positive news, the results are in for that Bloodstained backer survey that went out a couple of months back and...the beach wear/maid/nun outfits weren't very popular at all?

Top three were, in fact, 1) Elegant Vampire, 2) Armoured Valkyrie, and 3) Succubus.

So much for "sex sells". In a more rational world, fans and devs would reflect on this and recalibrate their "sales = bra size * exposed skin" formula, but I fully expect both of them to find some oddball theory to rationalize this result and / or outright ignore it.
 

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Perhaps! I wonder how popular Castlevania even is with that, eh, crowd, though? Konami's attempt to "up the anime" (by ditching Kojima and going with a more generic shounen-artstyle) didn't really pay off.

Yeah, it's not like it was hard to guess that diehard fans of a series characterized by reasonable and respectful character designs for most of its story and which most memorable games are well over 20 years old (therefore making said fans 30+) aren't the best audience to sell "sexual violence" to...

To be fair Konami's strategy making that and Metal Gear pachinko is utterly incomprehensible to me. I understand that they don't want to make traditional games anymore, but why burn the franchises to the ground like that? Wouldn't it be more financially reasonable to sell the rights to someone else?
 

Redcrayon

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Yeah, it's not like it was hard to guess that diehard fans of a series characterized by reasonable and respectful character designs for most of its story and which most memorable games are well over 20 years old (therefore making said fans 30+) aren't the best audience to sell "sexual violence" to...
What I find interesting is that, over the past decade, Order of Ecclesia seems to have really crept up the series ranking in Castlevania threads. Good word of mouth, I suppose. Can't believe that's ten years old already.
 

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Yeah, that scene annoyed me too. Laxia isn't a bad character at all, but this scene, as well as her ridiculous outfit (super-tight shorts and corset with cleavage) completely undermine her character. Same with Dana and the other priestesses of Eternia strutting around in their underwear and yet acting all pompous and important, they were impossible to take seriously.

Game's still good and worth playing, I'd say stick with it, petran79 (there are no more stupid scenes like that with Laxia IIRC), but yeah it's disappointing that Falcom games have been openly regressing in their female representation since the last decade or so.
. The only Falcom games I've really played have been Cold Steel and Tokyo Xanadu Ex+ (Though I've dabbled with Ys a little) and while I've enjoyed the games quite a lot....Japan has hot springs Falcom, I fucking get it. I'm also really starting to get fed up of the pretty childhood friend/sister whose only purpose is to adore the lead character from afar for no reason while make him lunch and wake him up. It's like it's still 1950....
 

Morrigan

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. The only Falcom games I've really played have been Cold Steel and Tokyo Xanadu Ex+ (Though I've dabbled with Ys a little) and while I've enjoyed the games quite a lot....Japan has hot springs Falcom, I fucking get it. I'm also really starting to get fed up of the pretty childhood friend/sister whose only purpose is to adore the lead character from afar for no reason while make him lunch and wake him up. It's like it's still 1950....
Yeah, those are fairly recent. Trails in the Sky and earlier Ys games were much better for female representation, IMO, even if they weren't perfect.
 

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Oh aye, but small victories: I think some of us were fearing the top results would be all sexualised designs.
Unfortunately we don't know what their definition of armored is for the the Valkyrie. It's why I was concerned about the lack of rough sketches for the poll.
 

Redcrayon

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Yeah, those are fairly recent. Trails in the Sky and earlier Ys games were much better for female representation, IMO, even if they weren't perfect.
It's not even just the modern young woman costume template (thighs and stockings etc), what I liked about Trails was the variety in character age and build, background and experience rather than 'everyone is 16'. It meant nice interactions across the whole cast as the older Bracers showed the younger ones how to do the job rather than just growing pains and daddy issues, as that stuff was covered by the younger characters.

Unfortunately we don't know what their definition of armored is for the the Valkyrie. It's why I was concerned about the lack of rough sketches for the poll.
Let's hope it's not like some of those Valkyrie Profile examples from upthread :D
 
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"Trying to one up Disgaea 1, I see" was my first thought too, but holy shit that's terrible. Yikes.

How much you wanna bet at least one of those will end up as someone's avatar here though.

I haven't played any Disgaea game, but I always had the impression that characters were just chibi and there wasn't any actual fanservice besides the overall weird clothing.

Again, it's not a series I've ever been interested so I don't know.

It's less a discussion on whether vulnerability is a positive trait, as I would definitely say it is one. But more so, why do developers pick female protagonists when they are trying to make the player feel vulnerable. Why do they more often create male protagonists when the game calls for direct action instead of flight.

But yeah, by no means is it exclusive, there are a bunch of empowered female horror protagonists, it's just a larger trend in the other direction.

I can't comment on Atelier, I haven't played or watched any of that series.

I've only played games from the Dusk trilogy, which had a nice art style and designs (much better than the actual ones) and there wasn't anything offensive about it.

It used anime tropes extensively, and the appeal of the scenario a lot of the time is seeing those tropes interact. It gets boring after a while, but it's mindlessly enjoyable at worst.

You can sink hours with alchemy stuff, the synthesis systems are quite deep.
 

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I haven't played any Disgaea game, but I always had the impression that characters were just chibi and there wasn't any actual fanservice besides the overall weird clothing.

Again, it's not a series I've ever been interested so I don't know.
I'm actually a fan myself, I love Disgaea but this is what I'm talking about
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That's Etna, one of the leads from the first game and recurring character.

The series has a terrible habit of starring extremely young looking female characters in light clothing, and it becomes pretty clear what the intentions behind these desings are in official art like this
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I do have to say that Harada's designs are basically inseparable from Disgaea. His fetishes, tastes and his style are one of the founding elements of the establishment of Nippon Ichi Software. Sometimes I feel as if NIS is a company entirely centered around Takehito Harada, as he does the art for basically every single major NIS title, and people buy NIS games because he's the artist instead of because of it being an NIS game and skip the ones without Harada's art.
 

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I'm actually a fan myself, I love Disgaea but this is what I'm talking about
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That's Etna, one of the leads from the first game and recurring character.

The series has a terrible habit of starring extremely young looking female characters in light clothing, and it becomes pretty clear what the intentions behind these desings are in official art like this
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Its bad when a actual porn game i've played does a succubus more justice than the crap disgaea puts out. ( Succubus was (without a manner of a doubt) an adult and had more clothing on than etna.... in a porn game again)
 

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There's this one trope I've been looking for and google failed me(does it even have a name?), and I think this is the best place to ask so,

It's when the character always talks in "sex" , all their vocabulary is referencing sex, Example :

 

Weltall Zero

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And fishtails aren't sexy.
A Succubus can be a big human sized vagina with 3 eyes and horns what matters is that they mind control people and suck their life force
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(not really)

But I think what they mean is that given the current climate for games in general, the fact that other options included "maid", "nurse" and "bikini", and the fact that the full name of the costume is "Succubus (provocative)", certain assumptions can be made about how it will look...
 

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It's almost as if the vast majority of anime designs were highly sexualized, paedophilic, or both, and cherry picking a couple (and questionable) "well look at these highly empowered females! don't shit on anime!" was a disingenuous argument.

You don't get to point at a couple games of your choice to make your point about anime in general, then say "that's not what I was thinking about" when others point at... any other anime example at random, really.

Claiming the majority of Japanese designs is highly sexualized and paedophilic is extremely silly and not even worth arguing about. The manga industry in Japan is huge (quickly looking at Wikipedia's manga page says 1.9 billion issues were sold in 1995, that's 23 years ago and the industry has been growing ever since) and you'll see illustrations of characters literally everywhere for marketing purposes.

If the only exposure you have to anime characters is garbage NISA, JRPG games, and dumb shounen series I can understand how you would believe so, but don't think for a second they constitute the majority of the artstyle. These specific examples have a lot of exposure because sadly people are attracted to them, but then the fault is on the consumer's side and not the creator's.

There's a reason why anime characters are so popular worldwide and all over the Internet and that's because they are simply good designs as they exhibit much personality and, in some cases, emotional depth, which you won't get from a photorealistic video game character.

If you want me to name anime series or video games depicting good female designs I can do so too. Japanese animation has much more in common with art film than anything you will ever see on Western cable television.

If you don't know anything about it then don't make such ridiculous presumptions.
 

Xaszatm

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Shounen manga such as One Piece doesn't really have the "it's by otaku for otaku" excuse; a lot of the designs for the female characters are more ridiculous than those on late-night anime and it's still a mainstream cartoon broadcasted on Sunday mornings.

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This IS mainstream in Japan.

God, the transition from One Piece's more unique and interesting designs to otaku bait always pisses me off. Especially since Amazon Island was all about Oda trying to be more experimental with women designs. It took until Whole Cake Island until we finally got a slow down of the otaku bait and even then...

I'm actually a fan myself, I love Disgaea but this is what I'm talking about
latest

That's Etna, one of the leads from the first game and recurring character.

The series has a terrible habit of starring extremely young looking female characters in light clothing, and it becomes pretty clear what the intentions behind these desings are in official art like this
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I find it funny that the later Disgaea games have made their new characters actually look adult since Disgaea 2 (with the exception of Adler's sister).
 

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If you don't know anything about it then don't make such ridiculous presumptions.

I've been watching anime quite likely since before you were born unless you're over 35 years old, I've watched huge amounts of it from classic to modern. The truth remains that modern anime and anime-based games has gone off the deep end as far as sexualization goes. For every anime you would care to name without any sexualization I can name five where it's abundant.
 

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I've been watching anime quite likely since before you were born unless you're over 35 years old, I've watched huge amounts of it from classic to modern. The truth remains that modern anime and anime-based games has gone off the deep end as far as sexualization goes. For every anime you would care to name without any sexualization I can name five where it's abundant.
Yeah even the really mainstream stuff has ridiculous sexualization (even of minors). A show like my hero academia comes to mind.
 

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Well, more SCVI grossness. NSFW.
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Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics to manipulate this into being "tasteful".
I'm trying to remember, was the original that bad? I haven't touched the original in almost 20 years.
fuck, I feel old now

Previous entry I played, 4 or 5, I recall a ridiculous clothing destruction feature being added.
 

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I'm trying to remember, was the original that bad? I haven't touched the original in almost 20 years.
fuck, I feel old now

Previous entry I played, 4 or 5, I recall a ridiculous clothing destruction feature being added.

Taki's character design has pretty much always been that. She had a really stupid cleavage window in Soul Calibur, but she was proportioned a bit more modestly, I guess. Soul Calibur 2's when they really started ballooning the characters' chests up.
 

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I've been watching anime quite likely since before you were born unless you're over 35 years old, I've watched huge amounts of it from classic to modern. The truth remains that modern anime and anime-based games has gone off the deep end as far as sexualization goes. For every anime you would care to name without any sexualization I can name five where it's abundant.

Sigh, if you wanna play that game then...

Let's just take a look a the new airing anime of the season for example... http://anichart.net/spring-2018

I can see only four of them with blatantly sexualized female characters; 3d kanojo, high school dxd, cutie honey universe and the latest food wars season (all ecchi shows), and comic girls, mahou shoujo site and boku no hero academia to some extent.

They are in the minority.
 

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These specific examples have a lot of exposure because sadly people are attracted to them, but then the fault is on the consumer's side and not the creator's.
Really? Creators can't be held to blame for drawing sexualised depictions of children just because people buy it? Just because there's a market for something disgusting doesn't make the creator immune to criticism for their part in fostering the vicious circle by supplying it.
 

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Really? Creators can't be held to blame for drawing sexualised depictions of children just because people buy it? Just because there's a market for something disgusting doesn't make the creator immune to criticism for their part in fostering the vicious circle by supplying it.
Obviously I am NOT talking about the depiction of sexualized children, those are awful and should never exist, the fact that they do is troubling indeed.

I am talking about works intended for a mainstream audience with female characters sexualized for no good reason, I am saying these works are garbage and it's a shared responsibility between the consumer and the creator that people like garbage to the point where it becomes a standard.
 

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the transition from One Piece's more unique and interesting designs to otaku bait always pisses me off.
is this a joke? without even touching the Time Skip
Vivi, Nami, Robin, Ms Doublefinger, Ms Valentine, Kaya, Perona, Kalifa etc etc etc. they design got "better" as his art improved but they are not far from "Otaku Bait"
 

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Obviously I am NOT talking about the depiction of sexualized children, those are awful and should never exist, the fact that they do is troubling indeed.

I am talking about works intended for a mainstream audience with female characters sexualized for no good reason, I am saying these works are garbage and it's a shared responsibility between the consumer and the creator that people like garbage to the point where it becomes a standard.
But they do exist, and it is troubling, and the anime and games industry either tacitly support it or like to pretend it's not an issue. Why is that games seem to take so much from this rubbish side of it then if it makes up such a small example of anime as a whole? This thread is absolutely littered with examples of such trash that are obviously heavily inspired by sexualised anime designs, with the artists working across both. Almost the entire Japanese games industry continually doubles down on the worst aspects of it by infantilising female characters, sexualising child ones and (the reason this thread is so long) having a trend for questionable female character designs in general. The vast majority of the examples of terrible character design in this thread are from games either inspired by or using the same artists as anime. Even the biggest games publishers in Japan put out this shit, to the point where Xenoblade and Fire Emblem are highly publicised mainstream Nintendo games with ratings that allow kids to play them but contain either designs of sexualised children, sexualised female character design as a template across a large cast of young women or both.

When both mainstream animated stuff like One Piece and the more heavily anime-inspired Nintendo games have got their young female characters wandering around in combat lingerie while selling to kids, how much worse can it get before admittance that there's a problem? It's easy to dismiss the pedo-bait stuff as an unfortunate niche while claiming it's the exception and everything else is fine, but that's the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy. The overarching industry atmosphere and tacit support displayed consistently in this thread, combined with unwillingness by even mainstream creators to draw a line in the sand, continually push the envelope and contribute to the problem. That is what gets rightfully criticised.
 
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Xaszatm

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is this a joke? without even touching the Time Skip
Vivi, Nami, Robin, Ms Doublefinger, Ms Valentine, Kaya, Perona, Kalifa etc etc etc. they design got "better" as his art improved but they are not far from "Otaku Bait"

i'm talking about earlier like when characters are first shown:

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versus how quickly the clothing design went to sexy over anything else. It starts getting noticeable around Water 7 then starts getting REALLY noticeable starting the timeskip where Nami and Robin wear the equivalent to a bikini top until Punk Hazzard.
 

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Sigh, if you wanna play that game then...

Let's just take a look a the new airing anime of the season for example... http://anichart.net/spring-2018

I can see only four of them with blatantly sexualized female characters; 3d kanojo, high school dxd, cutie honey universe and the latest food wars season (all ecchi shows), and comic girls, mahou shoujo site and boku no hero academia to some extent.

They are in the minority.
You clearly haven't been watching much of this season if you think those are the only ones. Granted, I wouldn't blame you for not wanting to watch most of these shows, most of them are garbage. That said, particularly if you include leftovers, anime with blatant sexualization, objectification and exploitation of their female characters is included in roughly 70% of all shows. Not just a majority, but a super-majority at this point.

Unsurprisingly, most of the ones that don't include such things are for children, or targeted at young women or girls (Katry, Wotakoi, GGO). Many of them are also written or directed (or both) by women (shocker).
 
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Opa-Pa

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I thought post time skip One Piece had gotten stupid until I took a glance at the anime
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I find it funny that the later Disgaea games have made their new characters actually look adult since Disgaea 2 (with the exception of Adler's sister).
Yeah it's a relief they've been (slowly) moving a way from creepy infantilized designs to more standard sexy ones... I guess. There's still ridiculous stuff like Seraphina's belt skirt, but at least she's a seductress instead of some woman that just so happened to dress in fetish wear. Plus there a lot of men showing skin too so it sticks out less (Disgaea has this fascination with exposing men's pelvic bones too that I find really curious).
 
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