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Jordan Peterson - The "Intellectual" We Deserve
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Jordan Peterson seems to be the perfect example of a person who fits right in the we don't want actual truth or science we want the guy who tells us the thing that makes us feel good.
Somebody post the whole thing, pls.
I've only heard of these guys in the past two weeks, but they're pretty great.
Maybe there some half-truth that can be construed from he overall point. Feminism DOES offer a better message, but given the incindiary, cynical, shit-posting nature of the internet, maybe that positive message is getting lost.
EDIT: Disregard what I just posted. I just remembered an NPR segment where a college ran a campaign showing how masculinity can be inclusive and accepting, particularly for gay and queer men. Conservative media stations deliberately misrepresented the message as something hostile towards masculinity to create drama.
Then there was the dude from the college's republican group that saw a broader, more inclusive view of masculinity as a bad thing. :/
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Is every paper in America just trying to get right wing subscribers/page hits now? I thought it was just New York Times being a piece of shit.
"I'd also like to know more about his eye-catching argument that social inequalities are part of the natural order, reflected in the serotonin levels of lobsters and humans. Interestingly, he never mentions in 12 Rules that he took anti-depressants to increase serotonin levels in his own brain. Perhaps serotonin isn't destiny?"
as usual, someone who claims there to be an immutable NATURAL ORDER is undermined by their own behavior that explicitly contradicts that claim
is this the part where i start shrieking about how Western Civilization is going to come undone at the seams because peterson took anti-depressants and thereby illicitly altered his place in the NATURAL ORDER in a way not allowed by The Old Ones?
as usual, someone who claims there to be an immutable NATURAL ORDER is undermined by their own behavior that explicitly contradicts that claim
is this the part where i start shrieking about how Western Civilization is going to come undone at the seams because peterson took anti-depressants and thereby illicitly altered his place in the NATURAL ORDER in a way not allowed by The Old Ones?
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Slay your dragon and save your father from the underworld. Basically, Jordan Peterson uses the hero myth to empower individuals and calls for a return to tradition, laying the foundation to authoritarianism and fascism, intentionally or unintentionally.
Yeah, those dumb feminists that can't offer a more compelling vision than forcing women into marriage.
I get that technically all is allowed as long as it has "Op-Ed" in front of it, but ultimately if it's getting printed in a major newspaper, it better have some intellectual worth. It shouldn't just be clickbait that maximizes viewers. But that would require actual journalism, and I guess no one is willing to pay for that, so dumb, insulting articles it is.
Yes, it's feminist's fault that mysoginists and racists don't feel good about their lives because they're not being coddled for being losers.
Nothing worse than women sucking up to Peterson's idiotic views on feminism. "Maybe they should offer a better one." They do. They have been. Peterson misrepresents it and so does this dipshit author.
Both wish to return to "the good ole days", and as such have an unhealthy fixation on the past. Kylo Ren's biggest character flaw - besides his anger - is his inability to let go of the past.
You put order and chaos back in balance..
so long as the relationship demonstrates traditional gender roles.
Don't take his individual sayings too literally. Theyre mostly brain farts that come from a semi cohesive philosophy. He's under the impression he's a philosopher of the same caliber as the ones he criticizes.
You know how some hunters mount the heads of their kills on the walls? That. You slay the dragon, and then take it home with you as a trophy.
Ah, so mail order brides
Off of the top of my head, these are the things that Peterson has said about women:
The dragon of chaos is feminine
Women who don't want to have kids is a dumb meme
Crazy women can't be controlled which on the flipside means that "regular" women can be controlled
Women haven't been systematically oppressed
Women who wear makeup, but don't want to be sexually harassed are hypocrites
Anything else?
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He asked patients wanting to schedule/reschedule appointments to cc his assistant so they could be responded to faster, and said not to include personal information in those email. He also accidentally included patient initials on an appointment sheet.
The governing body that regulates Ontario Psychology also didn't feel it amounted to professional misconduct, so i'm not really feeling there's an issue here.
So I tried to read that article up there, and... I'm deeply confused by this. Maybe this is just me not knowing enough about digital tech, but how is this something difficult to do? How is it hard to make your websites available for all countries on the internet? If you don't want to, sure, but don't say you're 'trying' like there's some huge hurdle you have to get over.
Also, yeah, not even a paywall; I can't read the article no matter what I do because I don't live in America. Huge win in the battle of ideas
Also, yeah, not even a paywall; I can't read the article no matter what I do because I don't live in America. Huge win in the battle of ideas
So I tried to read that article up there, and... I'm deeply confused by this. Maybe this is just me not knowing enough about digital tech, but how is this something difficult to do? How is it hard to make your websites available for all countries on the internet? If you don't want to, sure, but don't say you're 'trying' like there's some huge hurdle you have to get over.
Also, yeah, not even a paywall; I can't read the article no matter what I do because I don't live in America. Huge win in the battle of ideas
GDPR compliance I'm guessing.
Dunno if this was linked yet, he had a pretty unflattering interview with a BBC radio host who pretty adeptly calls out a lot of Peterson's inconsistencies and motivated reasoning:
I feel like if someone's on the fence about Peterson and they listen to this and don't side with the radio host, who is being 100% truthful and rational, and can't see how Peterson is being hyperbolic and disingenuous just to support his positions, then they're beyond help.
I feel like if someone's on the fence about Peterson and they listen to this and don't side with the radio host, who is being 100% truthful and rational, and can't see how Peterson is being hyperbolic and disingenuous just to support his positions, then they're beyond help.
I'll just post what I said when I first heard this with an updated timecode
Peterson does his usually "I'm not saying that" but when pressed further, you get his real stance. He was going to let the "literature" take the blame for the sexism until he was asked why he didn't critique it.
Holy shit:
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P: You also identify the chaos with the feminine.
J: I don't, I just draw on literature that makes that case
P: Well, you could've drawn on that literature and critique that literature
J: I don't think it is worth critiquing I think it's accurate.
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I have never in my entire life listened to and read so much about a person that I find a complete nitwit. But I feel an obligation to be able to completely dismantle him, because I might be faced with a person that I care about actually spouting his nonsense.
So now, instead of actually trying to be a force for good, I have to be able to argue against this foolish snakeoil-salesman. My only solace is the hope that he actually believes his own BS, and he's not exclusively an opportunistic hack.
So now, instead of actually trying to be a force for good, I have to be able to argue against this foolish snakeoil-salesman. My only solace is the hope that he actually believes his own BS, and he's not exclusively an opportunistic hack.
To vent for a second, yeah, I fucking hate that we're at this point. When I started to get into politics 3 years or so at the tail-end of the Obama era I figured that, for the most part, we were kind of alright. There were still huge problems but we were getting somewhere and we could start making progress. I envisioned my political activism to primarily consist of greater understanding and awareness of LGBT+ identities; especially trans and NB individuals a lot of the public is either not aware of or has a lot of misinformation about.
Zoom ahead 3 years and I'm having to explain why this nitwit is a nitwit and why nazis are bad
Well, here's some more studying for you:
https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/evqekn/the-fundamental-errors-of-jordan-peterson
Not surprised at all, it was bound to happen. Jordan trades in the kind of extremism radical islamists love and has literally been recruiting more members for the incels, which have turned into terrorism more and more. Maybe some people will finally see he's nothing more than a radicaliser. He's helping create Western Isis-lite.
I'm right there with you. Real life (post-adolescent) has proven to be absurdly different than I expected. This Peterson shit is wild. You have to spend so much energy tracking the various tangents in order to validate your initial "this is bullshit" reaction. Its like, go fucking work at shelter or volunteer at an old folks home and build some empathy. Instead we got people bitching about women, chaos, and pronouns. He's like .. the opposite of the Mr. Rogers that lives in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syP-OtdCIho
A pretty good debate between Peterson and someone who seems to be an actual psychologist.
Some definite whoppers in there, but at the top of the list has gotta be Peterson's insistence that the the lady there can't be an atheist (even though she claims to be) because....get ready for it....SHE WRITES BOOKS.
How the hell does that work? Well, because the Bible was the first book (CITATION NEEDED) and therefore if anyone else writes a book, then they're just mimicking the Bible and thus acting out as Christians.
Once again, the leading intellectual in the western hemisphere", ladies and gentlemen.
A pretty good debate between Peterson and someone who seems to be an actual psychologist.
Some definite whoppers in there, but at the top of the list has gotta be Peterson's insistence that the the lady there can't be an atheist (even though she claims to be) because....get ready for it....SHE WRITES BOOKS.
How the hell does that work? Well, because the Bible was the first book (CITATION NEEDED) and therefore if anyone else writes a book, then they're just mimicking the Bible and thus acting out as Christians.
Once again, the leading intellectual in the western hemisphere", ladies and gentlemen.
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