Yeah. It's the one stage in the game where even the tiniest bit of lag will break the level. The game is perfectly fine everywhere else.
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Don't buy Mega Man Legacy Collection 1 on Switch. It has bad input lag.
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Yeah. It's the one stage in the game where even the tiniest bit of lag will break the level. The game is perfectly fine everywhere else.
Good to know. I just thought the game was being punishingly difficult for the sake of it (its not like several of the previous levels didn't put up a good fight after all!)
It's a tough game, but that stage on an NES via CRT isn't nearly as challenging.
I don't have hard data, but this is how they feel. All of these are using the exact same pieces of equipment and monitor.
Least lag to most lag:
Analogue NT HDMI
PS4
Switch Handheld
Switch Handheld w/Pro Con
Switch Docked w/ Pro Con
Switch docked w/ Pro Con feels much worse than PS4. PS4 feels a tad worse than the ANT. Switch Handheld feels about between PS4 and Switch docked, but it's a bit hard to tell.
Least lag to most lag:
Analogue NT HDMI
PS4
Switch Handheld
Switch Handheld w/Pro Con
Switch Docked w/ Pro Con
Switch docked w/ Pro Con feels much worse than PS4. PS4 feels a tad worse than the ANT. Switch Handheld feels about between PS4 and Switch docked, but it's a bit hard to tell.
I noticed a bit of lag docked with the Joy Cons, but I switched to the 8bitdo NES30 and found it pretty good.
I don't doubt there's input lag as I've seen many folks report it, but "don't buy" seems a bit strong for an issue that the average person most likely won't notice at all.
Input lag depends often on the TV as well. If, for example one console is in HDMI1 and second console on HDMI2 the lag can be different, when the TV has different settings for the inputs.
I have been in several "gamer" homes who spend hundred euros for a new shiny "pro" console and forget (or not knowing about) to activate the "game modus" on their TV.
I have been in several "gamer" homes who spend hundred euros for a new shiny "pro" console and forget (or not knowing about) to activate the "game modus" on their TV.
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I mean, if you're actually interested in playing the games, and not just looking at the art galleries, this is definitely not the best way to do it. I recommend buying it on another system or buying the 3DS VC versions.
The audio lag is the worst part of this collection. It's super obvious. Go to a level select screen in any game and you'll notice the sound is close to a half second off when you move the cursor to select a stage. The sound when Mega Man lands a jump or shoots his arm cannon has similar audio lag. I just tested the PS4 version and this isn't an issue in that version at all. Or if it is, it's next to impossible to hear it.
Oh yeah, and this is an issue in both Original and Turbo modes. It's a bigger deal than any problem this collection has faced in the past. Hopefully Capcom gave Digital Eclipse the resources to actually patch this glaring fault.
Oh yeah, and this is an issue in both Original and Turbo modes. It's a bigger deal than any problem this collection has faced in the past. Hopefully Capcom gave Digital Eclipse the resources to actually patch this glaring fault.
If you grab it, I'd pick it up for PS4 (or PC if you play on that). I think the input lag complaint is kind of overblown (though it does exist), but the audio lag is absolutely noticeable.
I'm actually kind of in shock that this is even a thing. Hopefully it's patched.
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Not sure why people question OP as if this wasn't a hard fact. LC1 on Switch does have clear input lag, it's very noticeable if you're familiar with these games and extremely so if you have LC2 to compare.
A damn shame too because I was super excited for this version because it was supposed to be the definitive one and turns out it's technically the worst.
A damn shame too because I was super excited for this version because it was supposed to be the definitive one and turns out it's technically the worst.
It's definitely playable and after a while with the games you'll probably stop noticing it, but it's very much a real issue that no other version has.
I mean all games have input lag, that isn't saying much. That the input lag is bad and that you shouldn't buy it is definitely your opinion.
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Maybe, but not to the degree that "Do not buy" needs to be an announcement to the world. As seen in this thread it's been fine for many people.
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I think everyone should know that it's the worst version of the game before buying.
Seems ok to me, it's there but it exist in most classic games. I have beaten almost every mega man game that exist and find it hard to believe a tiny input lag would render it unplayable. If I want lag free I use my original copies on a crt.
I do not understand this. I have an emulator on my old Macbook from 2012, I hook it up via hdmi on my TV, attach the PS4 pad via usb an Mega Man games 1- 6 play as I know them since 1992. I can play exactly with the rhythm I am familiar with.
The problem with the input lag (even a little one) is not that it's rendered unplayable, but it's just not playable in the way we're used to. I love to play old Mega Man games to feel how it was back then. And if they play differently - then it's not the same anymore as what we experienced in the early 90s.
On the Switch, even docked, there is this slight input lag. I mean it's just an NES emulated game. And even my toaster can emulate an NES...
Then, on the other hand, is Legacy Collection 2, where everything seems just fine. But then, at the Legacy Collection 2, the graphics of MM9 and 10 are not pixel perfect, neither in docked nor in portable mode.
Couldn't Capcom and their developer lackeys show the least amount of love to the old mascot when developing these collections?
The problem with the input lag (even a little one) is not that it's rendered unplayable, but it's just not playable in the way we're used to. I love to play old Mega Man games to feel how it was back then. And if they play differently - then it's not the same anymore as what we experienced in the early 90s.
On the Switch, even docked, there is this slight input lag. I mean it's just an NES emulated game. And even my toaster can emulate an NES...
Then, on the other hand, is Legacy Collection 2, where everything seems just fine. But then, at the Legacy Collection 2, the graphics of MM9 and 10 are not pixel perfect, neither in docked nor in portable mode.
Couldn't Capcom and their developer lackeys show the least amount of love to the old mascot when developing these collections?
Granted I read about 50% of the replies in this thread, but it sounded like there's a patch you haven't/hadn't downloaded yet? Is that not a thing?
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No it is not a thing. Capcom has completely ignored the problem.
There's a feature in this version called Turbo Mode, which eliminates the original slowdowns in these games. This feature adds extra input lag, so some people assumed OP had it on and that was the reason behind the issue... Except the games still have input lag even with Turbo off, though it's less pronounced.
There are no patches available.
Got it. I agree with your sentiment then. And to dissenters - I sincerely doubt anyone is just going to see the topic title and switch their opinion from "I might buy that" to "I definitely will not buy that" without clicking into the topic to read more.
Edit: switch pun not intended
Since some people seem fine with it I'll probably be too, not that over sensitive. Switch or nothing for me so this is the only version in the end.
It's funny/sad to me that we're still getting not perfect ports of NES games released in 2018 lol.
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Heck no. That game looks awful these days, got some weird blur filter on it even if your running it on a CRT. I compared it to the Playstation ports of the MM games (which the PS2 games are based on - with the Navi mode and all) and the PS1 versions look far crisper. Plus there are awful sound issues with 7 and 8.
The PS4 collections better in my opinion.
The PS2 collection has:
Navi mode
remixed music (select tracks for 1-3, full remixed soundtracks for 4-6)
Power Battle & Fighters
and some other odd bonuses,
while the PS4/PC collections have:
More accurate emulation - most evident on 7 and 8 which don't have the audio issues from the PS2 collection. Also, MM7 has its ending restored, the team that ported 7 on the PS2 completely botched the ending to 7, so none of the mode 7 effects work (which really annoys me, I love that ending)
crisper graphics and scan lines options. So the games look much better on (modern) TV's,
dual language and audio for all games - so you can get Japanese voices in MM8 if you want. And you can play MM7 through with all its original dialogue - so individual get weapon dialogue with Light, Roll and Auto, as opposed to the dull dialogue in English. Also, the proper ending dialogue with Wily, not the butchered ending dialogue English regions got (ok, you gotta understand Japanese for this one, but its still nice to have the option)
Challenge mode is included in both collections. Easily my favourite new mode of any MM game since endless mode in MM9 and 10 (speaking of which)
Collection 2 includes Mega Man 9 and 10 including all their DLC. Which of course the old collection couldn't contain (since they didn't exist then). And best of all the awful controller lag from the previous gen versions has been eliminated, making them the best versions of the games available.
Con with the most recent collection is that audio popping is still a thing. So its not perfect audio wise. But compared to the rubbish MM8 especially had on the PS2 collection, I'd still take it over the old one.
That release has bizarrely poor IQ, among other issues.
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People curious about the classic Mega Man series are better off grabbing the Legacy Collections on PS4/XBO, as those compilations are fairly close to perfect and readily available at a bargain price.
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I didn't notice a big difference with or without turbo mode honestly. Game plays totally fine to me
For anyone doubting the input lag (and if you also have Legacy Collection 2), try playing any of the games on Collection 1, them immediately exiting out and firing up a game of Megaman 9 or 10. The difference is really night and day.
I think most people who say they aren't sensitive to input lag (which to me is kind of ridiculous) will just feel like the game isn't that fun without really realizing why. These games are based on split second reactions and while they are still technically playable here, it is not hyperbole to say that input lag is game-breaking. I'm at least glad that I have the first six games on 3DS, and thankfully Collection 2 is unaffected. Hopefully Capcom sorts it out, and sooner rather than later. Fingers crossed for the X Collections.
I think most people who say they aren't sensitive to input lag (which to me is kind of ridiculous) will just feel like the game isn't that fun without really realizing why. These games are based on split second reactions and while they are still technically playable here, it is not hyperbole to say that input lag is game-breaking. I'm at least glad that I have the first six games on 3DS, and thankfully Collection 2 is unaffected. Hopefully Capcom sorts it out, and sooner rather than later. Fingers crossed for the X Collections.
Picked up the physical on launch day thanks to a coupon, but been reluctant to open it up following these impressions. Already own the first collection on 3DS and PS4, so I'm thinking of returning it and just pick up the second collection on the eShop.
That's not a good test, though, because those aren't NES games. The NES itself has input lag in its hardware, so if you did the same test with a real NES on a CRT screen, you would still have more input lag in the NES games than the modern console game.
I mean I wouldn't buy it anyways because of that stupid MMC2 only as download decision, but this is even worse.
It's really bad. Tested it on my switch screen and PS4 version. You can easily hear the difference in the last few seconds and this is in original. This needs a patch.
You've got it backwards. A real NES has very little (close to zero) response latency—that is the whole reason why this is such a big deal to those who know the games well. Megaman 9 & 10, until this current collection, had (relatively) far more lag than any of the original games ever had.
As an aside, there is an iOS app called Is It Snappy? that you can use to actually record response latency.
