Nintendo Investors Seek Answers After `Shocking' Share Drop

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

HotHamBoy said:
This was always Labo's biggest risk.

Yep, people are talking about it maaaaybeee selling it's initial Japan shipment next month. You know retailers aren't going to be ordering this crap in droves. Everyone knows it's a bomba at this point but the labostans and they were always a bit weird anyways.

Nintendojitsu · Jun 4, 2018

Idiots with large sums of cash make rash decisions. News at 11.

Pablo Mesa · Jun 4, 2018

nib95 said:
I've also personally seen plenty of TV ads for it, about the same number as God of War. I can't imagine it didn't have a huge marketing push behind it.

if we are gonna apply the "personal experience as evidences" rule, thant I have seen non vs many GoW ads in TV and Youtube, so I guess they didnt put any marketing on Labo o3o

HotHamBoy · Jun 4, 2018

steviejd1 said:
A 2 day drop that almost mirrors the 2 day rise after the announcement of Pokemon Let's Go. Yep, it's all to do with Labo...

It's quite funny how much hatred some people have for cardboard.

You're really fanboying, no one is hating on Labo, they're being objective.

This isn't personal, it's business.

TheMisterManGuy · Jun 4, 2018

nib95 said:
I've also personally seen plenty of TV ads for it, about the same number as God of War. I can't imagine it didn't have a huge marketing push behind it.

Labo's marketing certainly wasn't small, but it was nowhere near the same level of strategy and weight used for Nintendo's other big hits.

HotHamBoy said:
You're really fanboying, no one is hating on Labo.l, they're being objective.

How is it objective when there is literally no evidence of Labo being the culprit?

Jader7777 · Jun 4, 2018

Forkball said:
News about no folders finally hit the mainstream.

HotHamBoy · Jun 4, 2018

Nintendojitsu said:
Idiots with large sums of cash make rash decisions. News at 11.

I imagine if they have large sums of cash from being stock brokers then they aren't idiots, nor are they making rash decisions.

evilmonkey · Jun 4, 2018

This time last year was very similar in terms of outlook. All we knew was that Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey and some mid-high tier software was suposedly coming in H2. This year they have Smash Bros and Pokemon lined up, which are heavier hitters no matter how you slice it.

The difference is that the Switch is no longer the new hot thing, so it's probably the flavor of the week investors that are selling and chasing what's trendy right now. It'll normalize before year's end.

Pablo Mesa · Jun 4, 2018

HotHamBoy said:
You're really fanboying, no one is hating on Labo.l, they're being objective.

This isn't personal, it's business.

except you and Megaman got proved wrong, about Labo and its involvement, yet for whatever reason keep trying to push it here and now. so sure, business, lol. whats next, Pokemon GO is flop?

jariw · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
Because I hate it and made the suggestion that it was a bad product idea and got dogpiled by the average Nintendo fsnboys. Then when I'm proven right I like to enjoy it

Plus I'm actually a huge Nintendo fan so when they do stupid crap like this it detracts from the good stuff they could be doing. And yeah I know some person will say "but but but this was a smaller studio....!!!!" And guess what? That smaller studio could make something good. They didn't in this case but they could have.

Anyways, the labo doing poorly makes me feel better because I predicted it and stood in the face of the horde of annoying fans that couldn't possibly believe it would bomb. But it did, sunk like a cardboard boat in the toilet.

You got dogpiled by the average Nintendo fanboys, but you are a huge Nintendo fan? How does that work? How do you measure Nintendo fanboyism?

Have you tried Nintendo Labo, or do you just hate on the idea of it?

HotHamBoy · Jun 4, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:
after 2 months, without any new news about it?? riiigggghhhtttt.

Man where did Labo touch some of these people that they are sooo desperate to see it flop
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A thread about stocks stabilizing after a massive skyrocket devolves into a baseless NIntendoom thread. The Spirit of GAF still lives strong here

Lol okay

This guy.

UltraMagnus · Jun 4, 2018

TheMisterManGuy said:
Not to mention that, even Nintendo's past Blue Ocean software like Brain Age or Nintendogs debuted with modest numbers, with Nintendogs at least, having almost as big of a post-first week drop off as Labo did in Japan. But they had crazy long legs that gave them those insane numbers. Labo can be the same, so long as Nintendo keeps developing it as a Toy-line.

Labo will never touch Nintendogs or Brain Training sales. Nintendo can release 50 different kits if they want.

Nintendogs was not that much of a slow burner either, by its 5th week it was at 400k in Japan already maintaining a weekly sell through of 25-30k/week, I'm not sure Labo Variety Kit will even ever get to that 400k number and if it does it will probably require 50+ weeks.

nib95 · Jun 4, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:
if we are gonna apply the "personal experience as evidences" rule, thant I have seen non vs many GoW ads in TV and Youtube, so I guess they didnt put any marketing on Labo o3o

Because your post implied the only marketing it had was 3 YouTube ads, when in fact it had and still has several different televised ad versions across a multitude of countries. It also had pretty big features like the segment on Jimmy Fallon with Arianna Grande.

Deleted member 32018 · Jun 4, 2018

HotHamBoy said:
You're really fanboying, no one is hating on Labo.l, they're being objective.

This isn't personal, it's business.

HAHAHA, objective....ok buddy. Thanks for calling me a fanboy, really adds weight to your post doesn't it? I really do not care about Labo, it's not for me, I don't have kids and I suck at making things. A 2 day drop like this has no correlation with Labo. If there was any PR within the last couple of days stating that Labo didn't meet expectations then sure...

HotHamBoy · Jun 4, 2018

Sometimes I forget I'm on the internet and then-

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

Pablo Mesa said:
except you and Megaman got proved wrong, about Labo and its involvement, yet for whatever reason keep trying to push it here and now. so sure, business, lol. whats next, Pokemon GO is flop?

I have a name and we weren't proven wrong. Labo is basically dead.

jariw said:
You got dogpiled by the average Nintendo fanboys, but you are a huge Nintendo fan? How does that work? How do you measure Nintendo fanboyism?

Have you tried Nintendo Labo, or do you just hate on the idea of it?

Fanboy != Fan , fans aren't afraid to call out stupid products and ideas. Fanboys worship the ground miyamoto spits on.

And no haven't tried the labo, the entire idea of it is awful. One of those ideas you read and throw away on the first draft. It would have never made it out the door at any other big budget company. Maybe THQ before they went under.

WellbornWarrior · Jun 4, 2018

Isn't the rule of thumb selling on good news and buying on bad news? Couldn't that be the case here?

Deleted member 2791 · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
Yep, people are talking about it maaaaybeee selling it's initial Japan shipment next month. You know retailers aren't going to be ordering this crap in droves. Everyone knows it's a bomba at this point but the labostans and they were always a bit weird anyways.

"Everyone" the multiple personalities of your parallel reality, sure, but in the real world you're probably going to be disappointed by the real results.

unrealist · Jun 4, 2018

jariw said:
You got dogpiled by the average Nintendo fanboys, but you are a huge Nintendo fan? How does that work? How do you measure Nintendo fanboyism?

Have you tried Nintendo Labo, or do you just hate on the idea of it?

Looks like this thread is another golden opportunity for familiar names to dump their shit on Labo, and then some on the doom and gloom of Nintendo..

carlosrox · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
Because I hate it and made the suggestion that it was a bad product idea and got dogpiled by the average Nintendo fsnboys. Then when I'm proven right I like to enjoy it

Plus I'm actually a huge Nintendo fan so when they do stupid crap like this it detracts from the good stuff they could be doing. And yeah I know some person will say "but but but this was a smaller studio....!!!!" And guess what? That smaller studio could make something good. They didn't in this case but they could have.

Anyways, the labo doing poorly makes me feel better because I predicted it and stood in the face of the horde of annoying fans that couldn't possibly believe it would bomb. But it did, sunk like a cardboard boat in the toilet.

Pure cringe.

UltraMagnus · Jun 4, 2018

Stock blips like this are largely immaterial in the long run, they may even be beneficial as it keeps Nintendo on their toes and away from complacency.

Deleted member 21 · Jun 4, 2018

This is what happens if there are no leaks of a new F-Zero game

Congrats Nintendo

Pablo Mesa · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
I have a name

which im sure is not TI92 either.

WellbornWarrior said:
Isn't the rule of thumb selling on good news and buying on bad news? Couldn't that be the case here?

Market always see this ups and downs whenever something happens. stocks saw a massive jump during Let GO reveal. now that market calmed down stocks went down. hell People had the same reaction when stocks dropped after the initial jump from Pokemon GO.

Nibel said:
This is what happens if there are no leaks of a new F-Zero game

but, SX!!! ??

Pablo Mesa · Jun 4, 2018

whoops

TheMisterManGuy · Jun 4, 2018

UltraMagnus said:
Labo will never touch Nintendogs or Brain Training sales

Based on?

UltraMagnus said:
Nintendogs was not that much of a slow burner either, by its 5th week it was at 400k in Japan already maintaining a weekly sell through of 25-30k/week, I'm not sure Labo Variety Kit will even ever get to that 400k number and if it does it will probably require 50+ weeks.

Nintendogs had 3 versions released at regular DS game prices, and was actually sub 20k during it's 5th week. Labo has the potential for a variety of kits at various prices. Some will be more popular than others, and those collective mass of sales will be the secret to Labo's potential success.

H-I-M · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
And the giant robo kit is being utterly decimated in sales. Variety kit also isn't selling high numbers, there just wasn't much selling at all since it's the summer. Labo being the "big new thing" in the barren release schedule of summer and it STILL bombing like this is really telling.

But keep telling yourself it'll sell well duirng some holiday. Before it was golden week and now the goalposts have been moved to Christmas. Eventually you'll have to admit the only kit Nintendo should have made was the recycling plant as that is where labo is going to end up.

The holidays aren't that far away anymore.
Let them cling to that last hope until then.

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

H-I-M said:
The holidays aren't that far away anymore.
Let them cling to that last hope until then.

Just 6 more months :p

Reminds me of Wii u fans back in the old place. That chalkboard was so funny.

Mysterio79 · Jun 4, 2018

lol Nintendo doom mongering is hilarious because it always blows back up on the doomsayers. This being a notably easy setup.

The stock will be higher than ever this year. Time to buy more shares.

H-I-M said:
The holidays aren't that far away anymore.
Let them cling to that last hope until then.

I'm sure they'll be too busy gloating about Switch selling over 20 million and being the best selling console of they year after the smash and Poke nukes hit :p

Deleted member 5491 · Jun 4, 2018

Fixed this

Nibel said:
This is what happens if there are no leaks of a new Paper Mario game

Congrats Nintendo

Oscillator · Jun 4, 2018

KRBM said:
I believe that the market is reacting to the realization that 2018 (and beyond)'s Switch is not the same as 2017's Switch.

The tone in the first half of this year is definitely way different. But E3 could put Switch's message back on track.

Myself · Jun 4, 2018

steviejd1 said:
Nintendo saw it as a way to get a wider variety of people interested in the Switch. It was not supposed to be the "big release" of H1, Nintendo just had a quieter H1 than they did last year because games take time to make. If anything, their "big release" of H1 was Kirby. We won't know if Labo has succeeded for months yet and yes it's quite possible that it doesn't. At least Nintendo have tried something different though.

Of course, Nintendo are always looking for interesting in-roads into other markets to broaden their portfolio. But I can't think of a bigger thing this 1/2 of the year than LABO?

They are going to have to have something big soon although they seem to be riding quite well on old ports which is unfortunate.

Phil32 · Jun 4, 2018

Whenever Nintendo tries anything that isn't 100% for the hardcore or whatever term that makes some of you feel more special than others like Wii or Labo, you guys get really salty. Lol

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

Saucer said:
I'm sure they'll be too busy gloating about Switch selling over 20 million and being the best selling console of they year after the smash and Poke nukes hit :p

Most likely, and hide the labo mistake in the back pages of the report and never mentioned again for the entire history of the company :p

KRBM · Jun 4, 2018

Idolvo said:
Time to use the old analysis tool to see how this will turn out:

Such a strawman argument. If your friend is sick for a couple of weeks and people are worried, would you also tell them that "OH NO SURELY HE'S DYING".

TheMisterManGuy · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
Most likely, and hide the labo mistake in the back pages of the report and never mentioned again for the entire history of the company :p

And I'm sure you'll be chowing down on a ton of Crow once Nintendo comes out and confirms that Labo is performing exactly as they expected it to come July, and announces a new Kit in time for the holidays.

Herb Alpert · Jun 4, 2018

This thread should have ended after the first post.
Lots of stupidities would have been spared.

Deleted member 32018 · Jun 4, 2018

Myself said:
Of course, Nintendo are always looking for interesting in-roads into other markets to broaden their portfolio. But I can't think of a bigger thing this 1/2 of the year than LABO?

Kirby is bigger. Over 500k in Japan alone.

For the rest of the year there is Mario Tennis (which has had good impressions even with the online issues), Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Fortnite and anything else that hasn't been announced or leaked yet.

pswii60 · Jun 4, 2018

Forkball said:
News about no folders finally hit the mainstream.

Yeah, when are we getting folders?

KRBM · Jun 4, 2018

Mazzle said:
Fixed this

Nibel said:
This is what happens if leaks of a new Paper Mario game wouldn't even excite people anymore

Congrats Nintendo

Fixed again

Diego Renault · Jun 4, 2018

That looks like the usual stock market shenanigans. Much of the stock market is driven by speculation and even purposeful missinformation. Stock goes down, stock goes up, people try to make money.

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

TheMisterManGuy said:
And I'm sure you'll be chowing down on a ton of Crow once Nintendo comes out and confirms that Labo is performing exactly as they expected it to come July, and announces a new Kit in time for the holidays.

Doubtful but if so I'll put a labo L on my avatar if they announce it's doing well and announce more kits outside of the ones that haven't been released yet.

Phil32 · Jun 4, 2018

TI92 said:
I have a name and we weren't proven wrong. Labo is basically dead.

Fanboy != Fan , fans aren't afraid to call out stupid products and ideas. Fanboys worship the ground miyamoto spits on.

And no haven't tried the labo, the entire idea of it is awful. One of those ideas you read and throw away on the first draft. It would have never made it out the door at any other big budget company. Maybe THQ before they went under.

Reading your posts back on GAF, recent posts on ERA, and now your posts in this thread, it doesn't matter if you're a fanboy, fan, fanatic, whatever. The only word that really matters here is "pathetic", and that's what your posts usually read as. Someone who is hopelessly pathetic. Grow up.

Kubricks · Jun 4, 2018

TheMisterManGuy said:
You're making the same mistake everyone else is making by viewing this as just any regular game release. It isn't, it's a toy. It's marketed, pitched, and released exactly like a toy.

Not going deep into this topic but if the Labo is marketed as a toy for kids then it's worrying.
I have a nintendo Switch, my 7 and 9 years old boys plays the Switch during weekends. They saw the Labo adv and have no interest in it at all. I guess there was a mild interest in the Labo robot, but then they just go and boot up the ARMS.

I guess what the Labo does just overlap with other more readily available toys, so there is not a lot of reason to do it again on the switch?
It's a noval idea to build a piano by cardboard which you can then use it with a switch, but then a PC and a keyboard can do the same thing without all the hassle.

nib95 · Jun 4, 2018

I could be wrong, but I feel like Nintendo may have misred the target demographic for Nintendo Labo correlating to the Switch's actual user base demographics.

I think most would agree that Labo is predominantly aimed at young children, the thing is, looking at Nintendo's US Switch demographics as an example, it appears the majority of Switch consumers at present, are not likely to have children nor fall in to the age category that might want Labo for themselves.

76% of Switch players are between the ages of 13 and 34, and a whopping 90% are male. In the US, on average, most males aren't having their first child till age 31, add several more years on top for that first child to grow to an age relevant to the Labo, and your core demographic for the product becomes increasingly marginal and slim. Even then, only a small portion of this already very small portion of the Switch's user base is actually even going to be interesting in purchasing it.

TI92 · Jun 4, 2018

Kubricks said:
Not going deep into this topic but if the Labo is marketed as a toy for kids then it's worrying.
I have a nintendo Switch, my 7 and 9 years old boys plays the Switch during weekends. They saw the Labo adv and have no interest in it at all. I guess there was a mild interest in the Labo robot, but then they just go and boot up the ARMS.

I guess what the Labo does just overlap with other more readily available toys, so there is not a lot of reason to do it again on the switch?
It's a noval idea to build a piano by cardboard which you can then use it with a switch, but then a PC and a keyboard can do the same thing without all the hassle.

Yep, a user on here talked about how the most fun of setting up labo with his kids was building it. Once that was done the experience was pretty lackluster and they weren't using it anymore. So really a 70 to 100 dollar model kit that you can't really take apart.

TheMisterManGuy · Jun 4, 2018

Kubricks said:
Not going deep into this topic but if the Labo is marketed as a toy for kids then it's worrying.
I have a nintendo Switch, my 7 and 9 years old boys plays the Switch during weekends. They saw the Labo adv and have no interest in it at all. I guess there was a mild interest in the Labo robot, but then they just go and boot up the ARMS.

Labo's not going to appeal to everyone, and it'll take time for it to really catch on. But generally speaking, its launch set up a decent foundation to build off of, which is what Nintendo intended it to do. Now the goal is to further develop and grow Labo as a staple Switch product with more kits, developed with the feedback of the launch in mind.

GuEiMiRrIRoW · Jun 4, 2018

My only concern is that a few shareholders have seens nintendo direct and they now that nintendo at e3 will be weak...

Deleted member 15538 · Jun 4, 2018

Some fund must have seen the E3 leaks. Kimi sold everything last month!

Notaskwid · Jun 4, 2018

They have all their money on smbc

KRBM · Jun 4, 2018

Oscillator said:
The tone in the first half of this year is definitely way different. But E3 could put Switch's message back on track.

I don't think so, given that the tone in the first half of this year is the result of a general strategy that covers this whole year:

Kimishima said:
"In order to be playable in the long term, the second year is crucial," said Kimishima. "Our task is to add more users, including people who barely touch game consoles."

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