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Lunar15

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Oct 25, 2017
4,647
The colors are different, but this gives me a P5 vibe in that it's not afraid to blend a lot of 2D design asthetics into a 3D space. Scott Pilgrim v. The World gave me that vibe too.

Film is visual, I love when animators get to fully play with and realize the space like this.
 

THErest

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Oct 25, 2017
7,119
Looks spectacular!

I wonder if this is Peter from Miles' universe, or a visiting Peter, and Miles is still following a dead Peter.
 

Rob

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Oct 25, 2017
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SATX
The funny thing is I got my son a Spider-Man bouncing ball and it had Miles and Gwen on it. I remember thinking that it'd be nice to have a Spider-Trio with Pete, Miles and Gwen. And, lo and behold, here it is.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Somewhere deep in space
I don't think Bendis actually knew any of that or bothered to look into it, sadly.

Sometimes I get the feeling he would do the bare minimum for a crossover.
The weird thing is though is that the dialogue brings it up! Gwen keeps saying "dude you're too young for me." And Miles replies with something like "It's my 16th birthday soon!" Creepy....

Also Miles & Kamala is a much better pairing. If I had to pair Gwen-65 with anyone it'd probably be X-23. Their crossover was pretty fun, I liked their chemistry.
 

RaidenXZ

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Oct 27, 2017
170
Looks spectacular!

I wonder if this is Peter from Miles' universe, or a visiting Peter, and Miles is still following a dead Peter.

Just in case Im right, I'll put my answer in spoilers
The first teaser showed something that looked like Peter Parker's grave with Miles in front of it. So maybe this Peter and Gwen are visiting?
 

Cuburger

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Oct 28, 2017
10,975
This looks so good. I'm glad people are coming around to this trailer after so many people seemed to want to write off the first one for the low frame rate as being low budget. The animation is great and I'm really digging most of what they are doing with the stylized look. It really feels like they captured a comic book aesthetic really well.

I think I'm anticipating this more than Homecoming 2 since it just seems to be capturing Spider-Man in ways that Homecoming didn't do for me. I trust Marvel but I don't think they quite stuck the landing in that film in the way I thought they should have.

'Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse' Casts Hailee Steinfeld, Lily Tomlin

Shameik Moore is Miles, Jake Johnson is Miles' mentor Peter Parker, Hailee Steinfeld is Gwen Stacy, Mahershala Ali is Miles' uncle Aaron, Brian Tyree Henry is Miles' father Jefferson, Luna Lauren Velez is Miles' mother Rio, Lily Tomlin is Peter Parker's beloved Aunt May, Liev Schrieber is Kingpin
Kingpin is actually going to appear in a Spider-Man film? Awesome!
 

SpankyDoodle

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Oct 25, 2017
6,082
Probably that, Pete is dead in Miles world
Not in this one, or at least not initially. Miles' dad is talking about Spider-Man in the trailer as if he's been around a while. Maybe it'll be like the comic and he'll die early on?

So far we have 4 Spider-Mans

1) Spider-Man
2) Miles
3) Spider-Hobo
4) Spider-Gwen

I assume by the end of the movie there'll be a lot more too :D

I think I'm anticipating this more than Homecoming 2 since it just seems to be capturing Spider-Man in ways that Homecoming didn't do for me. I trust Marvel but I don't think they quite stuck the landing in that film in the way I thought they should have.
Awesome!
As good as I thought Homecoming was there's just something about Spidey that just can't be captured with live action. It's like if it's a cartoon our brain can accept when things look far out because it's a cartoon, but when you apply those same actions to live action it either has to be restrained to be more realistic and believable or it'll look cartoony and stick out.
 

Auros01

Avenger
Nov 17, 2017
5,513
Looking good. Did not expect to be that interested in this movie but the trailers have been really good, so far.
 

Kaizer

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Man, everytime they show this movie, it looks more & more impressive! Miles better be rocking some NMDs in the film though. Also super cool to see Spider Gwen in there as well.
 

Disco

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Oct 25, 2017
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The choppy frame rate is a bit weird but still I love the hell out of this animation

More excited for this than the upcoming marvel movies tbh (aside from Avengers 4)
 

plagiarize

It's not a loop. It's a spiral.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Cape Cod, MA
A couple of things. I understand why people hate chromatic aberration in video games, but I don't see why a CG movie shouldn't mimic the look of a cheap camera lens.

But that isn't what they're going for here I don't think. I guess a lot of people here are too young to remember when misaligned RGB printing was a relatively common defect in comics.
 

Coldman

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Oct 25, 2017
1,218
I still want a live-action Spider-Verse one day with Holland, Maguire and Shinji Todo, but in the meantime, this looks fucking GREAT.
 

TalonJH

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Oct 27, 2017
4,881
Louisville, KY
Well this went right over my head - I clearly knew this before but was grasping at straws thinking it was some sort of teleport/moving between multi-verses thing. Thanks for clearing my mind on that one.
You never know, it could be leaping multi-verses but yeah, I took it as him going into camo. They still haven't shown his venom blast so we don't know if he has the same powers as he usually does.

They stole him for Homecoming and named him Ned.

Yep, I was okay with them borrowing Ganke but they don't get to keep him.
 

TalonJH

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Oct 27, 2017
4,881
Louisville, KY
Besides, everybody knows Miles/Kamala is the ultimate ship anyway.
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Seriously though, Team Miles/Kamala all the way.
 

SpankyDoodle

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Oct 25, 2017
6,082
I just figured it would be like Aunt may complaining about Spider-Man in front of Pete. That the spider-man he is talking about is Miles
The Spidey they show on TV is, I think, the same Spidey that Miles sees fighting Green Goblin. Miles' ramshackle 616 costume has holes for his eyes and nose and doesn't have gloves but the one on TV is straight up normal looking Spidey, his eyes even change shape as he's swinging much like the Spidey he sees fighting Gobby and his proportions are very different from Miles' too (dem thighs).

Edit: Also the same Spidey that's on the news and fighting Gobby is also getting slapped by Prowler in another clip. There's definitely at least 4 separate Spideys in this unless Hero Spidey somehow becomes Hobo Spidey.

Also to nip the "is he going into a different dimension or turning invisible" debate in the bud he's turning invisible, if you scrub through you can actually still see him Predator-style after he disappears.
 
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Cuburger

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Oct 28, 2017
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As good as I thought Homecoming was there's just something about Spidey that just can't be captured with live action. It's like if it's a cartoon our brain can accept when things look far out because it's a cartoon, but when you apply those same actions to live action it either has to be restrained to be more realistic and believable or it'll look cartoony and stick out.
There are a few movements for Spider-Man that tend to come across better in the "squash-and stretch" space of animation and 2D drawings, but that's not what I meant. I think there is totally room for a live-action Spider-Man that nails the character since we got to see glimpses of it in IW, CW, Homecoming, and even in the ASM films at times (despite how much I didn't really care for that series in other aspects). I think Homecoming was trying a little too hard to be distinct from the other Sony Spider-Man films, while also trying to serve 2 masters (what Marvel wanted as well as what Sony's demands were as part of the deal), and while it was a fun movie, it missed the mark a bit on the less "grounded" aspects of the character that are distinctly part of a Spider-Man story. The movement was part of that (although, I can understand they're trying to show that he's still new), but Civil War started off the character on a great foot and I felt things like Peter being poor is no longer a noted aspect of the character or no Spider-sense or even how he moved and quipped felt like a step back.

Granted, with Into the Spider Verse not having to worry about setting up a believable world so much due to being animated, they can jump into stuff like a multiverse and Miles being a second Spider-Man and apparently multiple villains without having the same worries about expectations from the audience of character development or exposition and it can be light and breezy in it's world building while also going as far out there as they want or go a bit deeper than surface level character moments whenever and however they choose simply because expectations are not the same as for live-action films.

It makes me think how a Lord and Miller Han Solo film probably would have been amazing as an animated film, especially since that is where they thrive and it gives them a little more freedom visually as well as tonally to play around in a space because things are looser and a bit more surreal than in live-action because every choice doesn't have to be justified or stand up to scrutiny like it has to when it's compared to real life. I could see where things could have went wrong with trying to fit that aesthetic with a live-action film with a very specifically depicted lead character with a specific tone and presentation of the world that character inhabits as well as a script that doesn't fit that vision at all.

Pretty sure John Krasinski voices the traditional version of Peter Parker / Spider-Man, the Jake Johnson version in this trailer seems to be some kind of slacker / sweat pants version of Spider-man. In case people were thinking his VA doesn't fit normal Peter Parker.
That rumor of Krasinski being cast was debunked by the Hollywood Reporter
https://twitter.com/AaronCouch/status/961062497221410822
 

broncobuster

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Oct 26, 2017
8,139
This movie has so much style. Really into it.

And for some reason the trailer on Apple's site wrecks the aspect ratio.
 
Oct 26, 2017
8,206
This looks so good. I'm glad people are coming around to this trailer after so many people seemed to want to write off the first one for the low frame rate as being low budget. The animation is great and I'm really digging most of what they are doing with the stylized look. It really feels like they captured a comic book aesthetic really well.

I think I'm anticipating this more than Homecoming 2 since it just seems to be capturing Spider-Man in ways that Homecoming didn't do for me. I trust Marvel but I don't think they quite stuck the landing in that film in the way I thought they should have.


Kingpin is actually going to appear in a Spider-Man film? Awesome!
That cast. YES!
 

SpankyDoodle

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,082
There are a few movements for Spider-Man that tend to come across better in the "squash-and stretch" space of animation and 2D drawings, but that's not what I meant. I think there is totally room for a live-action Spider-Man that nails the character since we got to see glimpses of it in IW, CW, Homecoming, and even in the ASM films at times (despite how much I didn't really care for that series in other aspects). I think Homecoming was trying a little too hard to be distinct from the other Sony Spider-Man films, while also trying to serve 2 masters (what Marvel wanted as well as what Sony's demands were as part of the deal), and while it was a fun movie, it missed the mark a bit on the less "grounded" aspects of the character that are distinctly part of a Spider-Man story. The movement was part of that (although, I can understand they're trying to show that he's still new), but Civil War started off the character on a great foot and I felt things like Peter being poor is no longer a noted aspect of the character or no Spider-sense or even how he moved and quipped felt like a step back.

Granted, with Into the Spider Verse not having to worry about setting up a believable world so much due to being animated, they can jump into stuff like a multiverse and Miles being a second Spider-Man and apparently multiple villains without having the same worries about expectations from the audience of character development or exposition and it can be light and breezy in it's world building while also going as far out there as they want or go a bit deeper than surface level character moments whenever and however they choose simply because expectations are not the same as for live-action films.

It makes me think how a Lord and Miller Han Solo film probably would have been amazing as an animated film, especially since that is where they thrive and it gives them a little more freedom visually as well as tonally to play around in a space because things are looser and a bit more surreal than in live-action because every choice doesn't have to be justified or stand up to scrutiny like it has to when it's compared to real life. I could see where things could have went wrong with trying to fit that aesthetic with a live-action film with a very specifically depicted lead character with a specific tone and presentation of the world that character inhabits as well as a script that doesn't fit that vision at all.
Ahhh I think I get what you mean. Though they do use his Spider Sense in Infinity War twice! They'll probably find a balance of the Spidey you're looking for in Homecoming 2 or one of the movies where he's a little older and more experienced. It didn't particularly bother me but I can understand how the changes they made to him in Homecoming to differentiate him wouldn't sit well with people. Hopefully Sony plays nice with Marvel and we can continue to have Tom be Spidey as he grows up into OP kickass Spidey.

Lord and Miller on Han Solo is a whole other bag of snakes to get into though. I don't want to derail the thread but I was hugely disappointed by that movie and a main reason why was because I could hear their version underneath the shitty one we got. Lines that could have been funny with proper delivery were said straight and dull, scenes that should have been played for laughs were played straight and uncomfortable, never mind IMO the lead having absolutely no charm, charisma, comedic timing, or proper delivery skills. Their Solo would have been so much better and I hadn't even considered how great it would have been if it'd been animated. Ughhhh ;____;
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
38,987
The newscaster in the beginning who says "Spider-Man saves the day again" sounds like John K as well.