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Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,051
It makes sense that I live in a timeline where WWIII could possibly be fought over memes.
 

Chekhonte

User banned for use of an alt-account
Banned
Oct 31, 2017
1,886
I question how this would actually play out but attitudes like this are weird to me. If you view the internet as such a bad thing and would actively champion it being destroyed, why are you even here in the first place? Why are you posting here and not out talking face to face with people in the town square?
Because you can't escape the world that is informed by it's use of the internet by going offline.
 

Deleted member 23381

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
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I almost feel like this, then I remember that the British government is just as bad, porn ban anyone?
 

Ogodei

One Winged Slayer
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,256
Coruscant
Some less click-baity sources:
- Electronic Freedom Frontier: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/...y-bad-news-everyone-even-especially-wikipedia
- Wikipedia: https://twitter.com/jimmy_wales/status/1004726127452094465
- Mozilla/Firefox: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/09/11/copyright-vote-change-europes-internet/

I know that it sounds crazy, and probably in practice many of the really worst-case scenario elements will not occur. But fundamentally this law will have an absolutely terrible impact on the way thousands of sites and services operate. It completely skews the balance in the direction of a handful of giant media corporations. Everyone (academia, civil rights, start-ups, big tech, small players, etc.) other than the media industry think it's a dreadful proposal.

Reminds me of SOPA back in the day. Everyone except the mega media conglomerates thought it was a terrible idea and eventually it went down in flames. We did it before, we'll do it again.
 

RoyaleDuke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
How would you even go about proving this?
A google search and being around since 2004.

Ok, so I'll stop with analogies. Why should we ban something that everyone uses/is a part of but a small group uses negatively?

You can't just scream "whataboutism" and completely ignore the actual point of what I'm bringing up.
I dunno why shouldn't we give soapboxes to fascists?

Easy, it empowers them.
 

wisdom0wl

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,872
Someone convince republicans to do this and watch my generation come in droves to vote for the other guys
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,759
A google search and being around since 2004.


I dunno why shouldn't we give soapboxes to fascists?

Easy, it empowers them.
That same "soapbox" is the one you're using right now to complain about them.

You are part of the wide and all encompassing "internet culture" whether you like it or not. Taliban use it. Liberals use it. Corporations use it. Conservatives use it. Communists use it. Anarchists use it. Your friends and family use it.
 

RoyaleDuke

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
1,397
Nowhere
That same "soapbox" is the one you're using right now to complain about them.

You are part of the wide and all encompassing "internet culture" whether you like it or not. Taliban use it. Liberals use it. Corporations use it. Conservatives use it. Communists use it. Anarchists use it. Your friends and family use it.

No actually my soapbox says human rights and no fascists on it.

What does yours say?

Also just because everyone uses it, doesn't mean it's a good idea to not regulate it, or censor things that consistently help our enemies or lower the level of discourse to truncated simplicity and whataboutisms... like you are doing.

So yeah fuck memes, 99% aren't even funny and there were ways of telling jokes before that didn't require you to live in 4chans basement.

So, just making shit up.

Good luck convincing people that they should stop posting funny images and videos online because, uh, guys in 2004 posted memes and now they're monsters.
They curated an entire culture that has gone on to greatly influence the youth, and carry on the torches of white supremacy and fascism, 4chans lead mascot is pedobear, a bear that goes around molesting children.

Many of the memes we have today come from those same people. So yeah, no just because some shitheads created something that the pop culture zeitgeist adopted doesn't mean shit, it's still something that has done more harm than good to society.
 

DigitalOp

Member
Nov 16, 2017
9,292
This is a fluff bill

How could you define what is a meme? Are viral daytime tv videos memes? What about when it's a corporate viral moment? Are those allowed?

Not every fucking site is Youtube, how could they even be aware of all the content they have coming in.

How the hell can you enforce this? You get tickets for uploading content with IP included?

Even if the shit passes, everything is still the same cuz they can't even get the shit off the ground
 

Einchy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
42,659
This is a fluff bill

How could you define what is a meme? Are viral daytime tv videos memes? What about when it's a corporate viral moment? Are those allowed?

Not every fucking site is Youtube, how could they even be aware of all the content they have coming in.

How the hell can you enforce this? You get tickets for uploading content with IP included?

Even if the shit passes, everything is still the same cuz they can't even get the shit off the ground
This is why the idea of banning memes is idiotic as fuck.

You posted a video and others liked it so it spread? Now it's a meme? Sorry, your video is now banned. You say 'on fleek' one day as a joke and others start saying it? Sorry, that's a meme and you're going off to the gulag if we catch you saying memes, dawg. You posted a picture and you put some text underneath it to express something? Uh, meme somehow so banned.

Shit makes no sense and it's downright scary that people think something like this is a good idea.
 

Cipherr

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,441
IIRC this isn't the first thread on this. The first one got shit on the entire first page or two by people posting offtopic or having a go at the OPs title for something. Its like no one wanted to talk about how serious and dangerous this is.
 

Guppeth

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,849
Sheffield, UK
This is why the idea of banning memes is idiotic as fuck.

You posted a video and others liked it so it spread? Now it's a meme? Sorry, your video is now banned. You say 'on fleek' one day as a joke and others start saying it? Sorry, that's a meme and you're going off to the gulag if we catch you saying memes, dawg. You posted a picture and you put some text underneath it to express something? Uh, meme somehow so banned.

Shit makes no sense and it's downright scary that people think something like this is a good idea.
The topic title is really dragging the discussion down. It's about copyrighted material, not banning all memes. It's not specifically about memes at all.
 

SmarmySmurf

Banned
Nov 5, 2017
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This was already posted and mocked for being scaremongering. Funny how a simple title change can make half the posters suddenly believe it.
 

Deleted member 4021

Oct 25, 2017
1,707
Modern copyright law is a disease that needs to be utterly destroyed. It is completely divorced from its original purpose and only exists to enrich mega corporations, ruin lives, and destroy the entire concept of the public domain.
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,728
How would this affect discussion boards? I understand the implication there, but outside meaning you couldn't post copyright images, would it have a significant impact on ERA or something like Discord?

This was already posted and mocked for being scaremongering. Funny how a simple title change can make half the posters suddenly believe it.

What was the original title
 

Chrome Hyena

Member
Oct 30, 2017
8,770
Hrm.. seems to me like EU wants to go the way of China internet. Perhaps it's for the best. Let EU have their walled garden and the rest of us the free wild Internet.
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,728
Hrm.. seems to me like EU wants to go the way of China internet. Perhaps it's for the best. Let EU have their walled garden and the rest of us the free wild Internet.

With the end of net neutrality, America's 'free and wild' internet is in similar danger, if not worse so. So the rest of people with free and wild internet is going to be very, very small if the EU enact this
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,728
Between this and the end of net neutrality in America, definitely feels like we're on the brink of the end of the internet as we know. Just another log to throw on the fire of our hopeless and bleak future I guess.