Better Call Saul Season 4 premieres August 6th on AMC

The duo gave a bit of tease about Better Call Saul's 10-episode fourth season, which will debut Aug. 6 (spoiler warning for those not caught up on the show): The death of Chuck (Michael McKean) will reverberate strongly throughout the new season, though Gilligan teased that you can expect to see the character again (presumably in flashbacks).

Odenkirk revealed that while he usually tends to just stick to the script in his performance, the new season contains events that prompted him to try and push back on showrunner Peter Gould a bit because he couldn't help wanting to resist Saul's unavoidably tragic path — the character must, after all, somehow transition from the likable McGill to Saul. The relationship between Jimmy and Kim Wexler (Rhea Seehorn) will be particularly dramatic this year.

"If you're intrigued by the Jimmy-Kim relationship, this next season is gonna knock you out," Odenkirk said. "There are scenes between Jimmy and Kim that are on another level that you haven't seen on this show. They're outside of character that a real couple needs to have… and it makes his life in Breaking Bad all the more tragic because she's not in his life."

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Much like White's initially unremarkable character, previous seasons of the show explore James "Jimmy" McGill's life as a struggling yet earnest lawyer. In season four, faced with a series of ill-fated events, McGill unequivocally begins his transition into the Hyde to his Jekyll, Saul ('is all) Goodman, even referring to himself as "Saul" rather than James or Jimmy during the episode.

Although the show was originally spearheaded as a comedy, Gilligan's knack for constructing fraught storylines came all too naturally, diverting the script into yet another Albuquerque-based drama, laced with just enough comic relief to lighten the white-knuckled tension. "The show morphed into what it's become," Gilligan said. "With every season it becomes less and less funny."

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While Jimmy's inevitable decline into the Saul Goodman plays out, Odenkirk allowed that the transition has been difficult.

"My problem this year is I found a desire to change this journey a little. It's sad to me," he said. "I'm starting to feel bad he's going to be this guy who has abandoned any idealism he had, and the hope of being a good person, which he has had. And he's just starting to go, 'F—k that s—t. No one is going to give me a chance? I'm just going to throw bombs around.' That makes me sad."

It's certainly a darker spiral for the character whose origin story was originally floated as a joke.

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