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Cabbagehead

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It's true that it's just a first impression based on not much, but it is at least interesting that it's by William Gibson. The guy who wrote the book on cyberpunk in 1982. Even though he's likely wrong here, it's interesting and kind of funny I guess that one of the people who's work gave rise to the term cyberpunk isn't enamored with the game.
Yes it's Gibson but his take and Pondsmith/CD take were never going to be the same. An the only thing that matters is that it captures CD/Pondsmith vision not Gibsons. Especially if he wants to boil it down to it being a GTA reskin with Punk slapped onto it. After just seeing the trailer. You know? that's my angle.
 

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Like blade runner is the only Cyberpunk thing
It might be the only thing they know. Which is not even the actual visual and landscape variety of Blade Runner, just their idea of it they've been cultivating through derivative media for years and years. They want night, neon signs, rain, dude in trench coat. But they also want it to be "original".
 
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I get the idea of why people were expecting a much somber tone, but when things like Snow Crash exist in the genre, you come to expect camp as much as anything else. It's almost a staple of the genre, you cannot get people with samurai swords running on the streets and not be self aware about it.
 

Dream Machine

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Yeah. The way the trailer was cut, the feeling conveyed by it, the events depicted were mostly that of action - not contemplation, introspection, conversation, and so on. I don't necessarily mean bullet-strewn violence, but I do mean action. Action can also consist of people's heads blowing up from some cyberspace hack or fighting a robot dummy in a boxing ring, not just shooting guns. The moments that weren't action packed seemed to exist only to add context to the action and serve as worldbuilding, and not the other way around. Like, I look at these gifs and it tells me what I can probably do in this game: shoot guns, hack into cyberspace and shortcircuit people from across the room, etc.

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I'm not saying this looks bad! It looks like it could be really fun! I just hope we see more on what sort of quests we'll have and the actual pace of the game, since we can't really gleam much about that from the trailer alone.
You can also go hang out in a grungy bar to play pool, go to a premier with fashionable Sorayama robots, and put on eye makeup with the lower half of your face detached.

The Witcher 3's action and violence didn't stop it from having interesting characters, interactions, and plot arcs. Contemplation, introspection, and conversation don't really come across in minute and a half long E3 reveal trailer, so they cut it with striking visuals and exciting moments. I'm sure gameplay will be more varied than you are describing.
 

Rehevkor

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I want to address a few things I'm seeing here.

What William Gibson said doesn't matter. He is not an authority on video games, and these days he isn't an authority on cyberpunk either. His endorsement (or lack thereof) is about as relevant as any of our opinions.

This game takes place in a city and involves criminal elements. That does not make it GTA-like. Do you see people jacking cars, running over pedestrians, or going bowling? A game taking place in a modern (or future) city setting does not make it GTA. Similarities to another game's trailer does not make it that game. We have not seen gameplay yet (only in-engine cutscenes) so any claims that it is "GTA5 in the future" are baseless and silly.

And yes, it is in-engine. Not CGI. Keep saying it and maybe folks will get the message.

The music isn't atmospheric. So what? It's a hype trailer for E3. The game will undoubtedly have plenty of atmospheric music. A convention reveal trailer is not the place to use it.

Yes, there is daylight in the game. Shocking! I'm not even sure why I mentioned this. The whole conversation about the lighting is just goofy. Use your brains.
 

Grudy

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Yeah I was really hyped for it but that trailer does nothing for me. I don't mind getting excited over CGI trailers but after all these years I was really hoping for some gameplay segments to be shown, I need to know what the game will be like after Witcher 3
 

Ganzlinger

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Yea I'm loving every single thing I seen in this trailer but come on at that protagonist so basic when everything else seemed wild and different. Hopefully he has a intresting background and story
Man, this has been answered a thousand times this thread. The game has a character creation and class. You'll build your own character like a pen and paper rpg.
 

Memento

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What does "Cyberpunk paint" even mean?

Honestly, these comments just show how much Blade Runner has become so synonymous with cyberpunk to the point of being detrimental in some ways, when the genre is so much more than the rainy gloomy neo-noir style of Blade Runner but people only understand and expect it to look like Blade Runner

Blade Runner is noir detective thriller first and foremost, the rain, the lighting, the gloom, grimy detective story all harken back to classic noir trappings. But that isn't all cyberpunk is as a genre. Cyberpunk the RPG is more representative of the cyberpunk genre as a whole than Blade Runner's noir-inspired facet of cyberpunk

It would be like expecting all science fiction to look like Star Wars or all sci-fi horror to have the same aesthetic as Alien, and then being disappointed when Arrival or The Expanse or The Thing or The Fly doesn't have the same designs and look as those other movies.

Fair enough.

I do believe though that the reveal trailer was the one that set this expectation in...
 

cervanky

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Lighthearted? it's more of a mix of things being showcased. All the ways in which the game world looks and feels.



I think there's a bit of double standards going on here. The CGI teaser everyone keeps talking about starts off with action/violence. It's consist here.
I wasn't personally excited by that original trailer either. I'm approaching this as a fan of cyberpunk literature and film - those two trailers don't really focus on what I liked about the genre, but I know they have elements of cyberpunk that some other people love. There's a lot of different things to like about cyberpunk, so there's a lot a game can take from it (and a lot to discard).

Cyberpunk can have blue skies. That's not my beef. I don't mind the aesthetic difference - it's the substance of the thing that feels same-y. People aren't just saying it looks like GTA because it's daytime - who cares if it's daytime? I think it's because it's like a cyberpunk-styled asset swap of events you might see unfold in GTA or any number of other action-packed games.

There's way more that can happen in a cyberpunk book than someone shooting up a room and establishing character moments with dialogue to add context between the shootouts. I know The Witcher had a ton of narrative elements that took precedence over action. I'm looking forward to seeing more of that from this game in the months to come.

I know this trailer doesn't show everything about this game. That doesn't mean I have to applaud every second of it, it's alright to have some concern about the tone and focus of the overall experience. It's the trailer's job to communicate that, after all.
 
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Dream Machine

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I get the idea of why people were expecting a much somber tone, but when things like Snow Crash exist in the genre, you come to expect camp as much as anything else. It's almost a staple of the genre, you cannot get people with samurai swords running on the streets and not be self aware about it.
The hacker cyborg lady in the skimpy clothes and the scythe arms getting shot in slow motion should have been a tip off for them.

But that was set at night, so authenticity x10.
 

Cabbagehead

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It might be the only thing they know. Which is not even the actual visual and landscape variety of Blade Runner, just their idea of it they've been cultivating through derivative media for years and years. They want night, neon signs, rain, dude in trench coat. But they also want it to be "original".
The ultimate self-fulfilling prophecy.
 

CHC

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Also for anyone calling BS on "in engine" check the NPCs in the bottom left here:

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Real as it gets lol
 

Okii

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I have nothing but full faith in CDPR and this trailer gave me a taste of what they are going for and I couldn't be happier.
 

Stryder

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I still don't think we'll be getting any gameplay this e3 or anytime soon. This game will maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe be out in 2020.
 

Ganzlinger

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I feel conflicted. I'm hyped as fuck for this game but I don't give a fuck about GTA. Yet people say it looks like futuristic GTA lol
 

KillLaCam

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It might be the only thing they know. Which is not even the actual visual and landscape variety of Blade Runner, just their idea of it they've been cultivating through derivative media for years and years. They want night, neon signs, rain, dude in trench coat. But they also want it to be "original".
Yeah I LOVE rain with neon lights at night and a guy in a trench coat, but I'll always confuse me when people think that is what makes something cyberpunk. People like that are just ignoring all of the themes of the genre.
 

Van Bur3n

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Should probably should put "YOU PLAY AS A CUSTOM CHARACTER" in the OP for the sake of everyone's sanity. But then again, who reads the OP these days. Or even the title.
 

GroovySnake

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What William Gibson said doesn't matter. He is not an authority on video games, and these days he isn't an authority on cyberpunk either. His endorsement (or lack thereof) is about as relevant as any of our opinions.

True, he's just like any of us commenting on it, just another impression on a trailer. If anything, maybe him saying it just looks like a GTA game will challenge the developers to show off the RPG elements and creative writing that the game has in future trailers. I'm sure they would anyway, but I'm sure they want to prove detractors wrong too.

So I just think, his tweet can't really hurt. And I was surprised to see it's by that author, it's cool that he's following e3 at age 70. I hope I do too.

But yeah, I'm hyped for this game too, great devs and a great concept to work with.
 

Slaythe

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I was also really disappointed.

When they revealed the title I had to rewind to make sure I hadn't missed anything.

It's probably a case of

1) me not caring for any of the things shown

2) me having high expectations of what they could do with the vague elements we knew about

Kinda my fault for expecting something different basically but still not too interested in what I saw. Bummer.

I'll check it out when we get gameplay though. Devs are good.
 

halfjoey

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I enjoyed the teaser but I want to see gameplay footage. All these trailers dont do much for me. They might as well be still posters at this point.
 

cervanky

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Especially those people. Bunch of damn 12 year olds that have played GTA5 and nothing else, from the sound of it.
William Gibson's a 70 year old man who's one of the founding fathers of cyberpunk, you can't dismiss his GTA hot take by calling him a 12 year old.



Like it's totally fair to disagree with him but it's disingenuous to chalk up any comparison like that to ignorance or immaturity. It might be worth engaging with why someone feels that way if even the guy who wrote Neuromancer feels like something's off instead of just dismissing them as a dummy.
 

More_Badass

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I mean, Blade Runner even has a femme fatale. It's so noir

I think the best way to think about Blade Runner and Cyberpunk is that Blade Runner is a story that could happen in a world like this, but it isn't the only story that is happening. I wouldn't be surprised if there's Blade Runner-style questline in 2077

Also lest we forget, the story of Blade Runner is set in a world that is at space opera levels of technology, with enough off-world colonization that Earth is being left behind to rot and "attack ships" in space
 

Cabbagehead

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I think I get it, the sunny day, palm trees and a red carpet... they think it's Hollywood. lol
Your right, dammit. Those things can't be in a cyberpunk setting, time to stop making 2077 CD and make it more downtrodden ala Blade Runner.

William Gibson's a 70 year old man who's one of the founding fathers of cyberpunk, you can't dismiss his GTA hot take by calling him a 12 year old.



Like it's totally fair to disagree with him but it's disingenuous to chalk up any comparison like that to ignorance or immaturity.


Well people can label it as a 12 year olds opinion. Given how blanket the statement is.
 

Rehevkor

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I just want to bask in this trailer, it's so fucking good!

Dude, I know. I watched it a bunch of times. I found the album the trailer song is on (Lies, by Hyper) and bought it. The whole album is just as sick as that song.

I want more. More screenshots, more video, more info. I wanna rub my face all over this game!
 
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One thing we know for sure from that trailer, the soundtrack will be fucking lit.

Futuristic GTA with RPG elements and Witcher 3 quality writing and storytelling? Sign me the fuck up. I'm day zero no matter what happens.
 

SofNascimento

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Anyone who saw the trailer with both their monitor on and eyes open should be able to understand where the GTA comparsions come from. I however cannot understand why this can be considered a bad thing. When it comes to creating a city, GTA is the reference. And I have no doubts that the final game will have an identity all of its own.

On a parallel note, I always thought the most similar games to The Witcher 3 when it comes to the open world it created is Red Dead Redemption. Games with similar ambitions will have things in common.
 

Dreavus

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I absolutely love all of the little details in this trailer. The guy getting fried on the plane, the cyborg putting her face on, the futuristic pool table, the high profile net-assassination, the three shiny dudes in a taxi full of guns??

So awesome. Really cool vibes all around.
 

YaBish

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This is the one thing I wanted out of E3. Disappointed we didn't get gameplay, but I just want to know everything.
 

Rehevkor

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William Gibson's a 70 year old man who's one of the founding fathers of cyberpunk, you can't dismiss his GTA hot take by calling him a 12 year old.



Like it's totally fair to disagree with him but it's disingenuous to chalk up any comparison like that to ignorance or immaturity. It might be worth engaging with why someone feels that way if even the guy who wrote Neuromancer feels like something's off.


I'm a huge fan of Gibson, but his take on cyberpunk is not the only one. He doesn't "own" the genre. His opinion isn't any more important in this context than those GTA5 playing 12 year olds.

Edit: And I also didn't call him a 12 year old at any point. Plenty of them in this thread saying the same goofy shit.
 

More_Badass

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Anyone who saw the trailer with both their monitor on and eyes open should be able to understand where the GTA comparsions come from. I however cannot understand why this can be considered a bad thing. When it comes to creating a city, GTA is the reference. And I have no doubts that the final game will have an identity all of its own
That's not why people are comparing it to GTA though
 

Van Bur3n

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Whoa, did you guys know William Gibson is from Conway, South Carolina? Bruv, I can become a cyberpunk author now, too.
 
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I'm pumped. Also, I think I saw androids or cyborgs with something other than caucasian facial features. Like, finally other ethnicities exist in the future and as part of its tech. jesus.
 

nemoral

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Yeah I know. But that's in-game and not on the meta level. Those punks do look cool. Everyone is stylish. It's just that Gibson dunking on this trailer bc of world aesthetics feels very unprofessional and uncool.
Why can't Gibson express his opinion of a game in public? He's a person who plays games and he commented on one that's clearly in his wheelhouse. You don't have to agree with him, but there's nothing unprofessional about not being impressed by a trailer.
 
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The hacker cyborg lady in the skimpy clothes and the scythe arms getting shot in slow motion should have been a tip off for them.

But that was set at night, so authenticity x10.
I am sure there will be a wide range of tones, just like in TW3. Sometimes it feels like Game of Thrones, sometimes your horse talks to you, you are transported to a fairy-book land, and it feels like Shrek.
 

Cabbagehead

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I mean, Blade Runner even has a femme fatale. It's so noir

I think the best way to think about Blade Runner and Cyberpunk is that Blade Runner is a story that could happen in a world like this, but it isn't the only story that is happening. I wouldn't be surprised if there's Blade Runner-style questline in 2077

Also lest we forget, the story of Blade Runner is set in a world that is at space opera levels of technology, with enough off-world colonization that Earth is being left behind to rot and "attack ships" in space

This and it's clear in the trailer that questline like that could play out.

Why can't Gibson express his opinion of a game in public? He's a person who plays games and he commented on one that's clearly in his wheelhouse. You don't have to agree with him, but there's nothing unprofessional about not being impressed by a trailer.
Because people are posting it like it's gods word.
 

Listai

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God I hope you can get rid of that disgusting collar. That's one of the ugliest outfits I've seen in a while and I just watched the new Gears trailer.
 

ak1287

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I am sure there will be a wide range of tones, just like in TW3. Sometimes it feels like Game of Thrones, sometimes your horse talks to you, you are transported to a fairy-book land, and it feels like Shrek.
Personal preference and all that, but I really hope nothing like that ever happens in any game, ever.

Then again, I am fairly disinclined to enjoy levity anyways.
 
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