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Would Sloane Stephens be a household name if she was WHITE?
- Thread starter BlackFyre
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Completely disagree. Tennis isn't popular at all and the two female tennis players even people who don't follow tennis know are both black, Venus and Serena.
Tennis just isn't a popular sport. Apart from Federer and Nadal, I doubt most people who don't follow tennis would be able to name another top male player.
Same for golf, I doubt most people who don't follow golf could name a player apart from Tiger Woods.
Tennis just isn't a popular sport. Apart from Federer and Nadal, I doubt most people who don't follow tennis would be able to name another top male player.
Same for golf, I doubt most people who don't follow golf could name a player apart from Tiger Woods.
Hey! They're really good for making sure my students' desks don't leave a mark on the floor too.
Yeah, only ones I can name are Venus, Serena, Sharapova, Federer and Nadal.
Golf I can name Arnold Palmer though because I love those drinks man.
OP Americans in general just don't care about tennis.
Talented up-and-coming Tennis players aren't household names regardless of whether they are white or black, male or female
Kinda unfair to compare female and male players. Serena is the GOAT female player but thats still just like, top 200 mens.
I don't think it has anything to do with her race. If anything it has to do with her being a woman.
I doubt anyone would put another female player above her as the GOAT, possibly Billie Jean King just for her impact on the sport.
For me Serena is the GOAT for tennis, although I'm sure many would consider Federer the GOAT.
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Like I said in the first page thinking i would not need to complement because everyone remembers but the SHIT serena gets for being the legend that she is is imply OUTSIDE of any level of rationality
Lets recap the top 3 classics
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/pt-...williams-is-being-punished-for-having-a-baby/
And don't forget like other shit that I am too lazy to google like that time someone said to a male tennist that he was the best tennis player in the world and he corrected the interviewer saying it is serena
The amount of shit she gets for being both a woman AND black is.... just .... =|
Lets recap the top 3 classics
https://www.thepetitionsite.com/pt-...williams-is-being-punished-for-having-a-baby/
And don't forget like other shit that I am too lazy to google like that time someone said to a male tennist that he was the best tennis player in the world and he corrected the interviewer saying it is serena
The amount of shit she gets for being both a woman AND black is.... just .... =|
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As others have said, its just you OP. Because as someone who doesn't give a shit about sports at all, I at least know of the Williams sisters, who are the only two tennis players I could even name.
This. If she played a sport that had a major following in the US, she'd be known.
This is like being surprised that Americans don't know the name of any soccer player aside from David Beckham.
I know Venus and Serena Williams and I can't name a single other Tennis player at all, white or not, male or female.
So no?
So no?
I just think that for an AMERICAN who had won a major, is ranked high, and just went to the final in the French, not many know her. Yet, all I hear about is the no talent Eugenie Bouchard and who she's dating.
This girl is young, talented and has already won a major. And let's not forget, absolutely beautiful.
Yet, I see very little push. I was watching the final, and my wife had no clue who Sloane Stephens was. Mind you, she's a casual Tennis watcher, but she sure as heck knew who Anna Kournikova and Eugenie Bouchard were.
Most people don't follow tennis, and not sure skin color has much to do with it. I mean Venus and Serena Williams are some of the most world renowned tennis players..
I recognized the name even though I didn't know what she did. I had no idea who that other person who is apparently more popular than her was.
Tennis isn't well known, only the best of the best are household names.
In my opinion the answer to your question is 'no'.
Tennis isn't well known, only the best of the best are household names.
In my opinion the answer to your question is 'no'.
This is a lie. And one that is easily disproven.
Serena Williams has been more successful than Sharapova throughout her entire career yet lagged far behind her in endorsements mainly due to antiquated standards of what beauty entails until very recently. She's also dealt with constant body shaming and racially charged abuse from people involved in the sport who refer to her and her sister as "brothers". Anna Kournikova is one of the least accomplished tennis players of all time and earned far more annually in endorsements then her contemporaries racked up in prize money + endorsements over the course of their careers.
The fact is, race has always played a part in Serena's popularity and it has an effect on how her accomplishments are viewed by those desperate to discredit her legendary career and everything she's accomplished. Hell, even at the US Open, a slam where the American audience should be behind her, she's never received fullthroated support. The Australian and French crowds get behind her a lot more.
Also, the posts in this thread claiming that tennis players aren't household names or that the sport isn't popular are wildly misinformed.
If you don't know who Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Serena Williams, Maria Sharapova are at the very least, I feel like you've been living under a rock for the past 20 years. The sport is incredibly popular worldwide and while its exposure in North America may not be as great as it is in other countries, it's still very much on the radar.
If you don't know who Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, Serena Williams, Maria Sharapova are at the very least, I feel like you've been living under a rock for the past 20 years. The sport is incredibly popular worldwide and while its exposure in North America may not be as great as it is in other countries, it's still very much on the radar.
Irrelevant to the topic.
Greatest has never meant best player.
Never heard of Eugenie, but I'll agree that even the best black players don't get as big endorsement deals as mediocre white players.
Lol, I think in this context it just might. Otherwise it's "I really like this person more than another person"...
Like many people said, she's only won one major so far and people who follow tennis already know about her.
Also the most dominant and famous women tennis players are the Williams sisters.
I only know of Genie Bouchard because I'm 1) Canadian 2) casually follow tennis
Also the most dominant and famous women tennis players are the Williams sisters.
I only know of Genie Bouchard because I'm 1) Canadian 2) casually follow tennis
The most famous female tennis player is African-American and actually is a household name. She also has 23 Grand Slam titles. I mean, people are bringing up Sharapova also but she also has 5 Grand Slam titles which isn't shabby.
I don't think your premise holds up, OP.
I don't think your premise holds up, OP.
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This is like pointing to Obama being elected president as proof that racism doesn't exist in the USA.
The Williams sisters were winning titles for years and years and still being overshadowed to some extent by pretty blonde girls, they had to become historically great to the point where it was impossible to overlook them in favour of more 'photogenic' competitors.
Oh come on, you clearly didn't know what you were talking about when you attacked that other poster. Admit you made a mistake, take the loss and move on.
He has a point though. You can't compare men's and women's tennis.
I'd say the Williams sisters and Sharapova both got famous before tennis tanked in the US.
Sampras/Agassi were still around and Roddick had a decent run as far as US players (and seemed like he could be the next top star for a brief window). Federer/Nadal/Djokovic etc dominating and being non-American really hurt the popularity on the men's side.
Sampras/Agassi were still around and Roddick had a decent run as far as US players (and seemed like he could be the next top star for a brief window). Federer/Nadal/Djokovic etc dominating and being non-American really hurt the popularity on the men's side.
Social context play into it at all? Or are we just talking stats among human beings in general? There have never been enough opportunities or extended experiments to get a truly good idea for how well a female player would fare. Just oft-crowed examples that support wholly preconceived notions.
People love the Braasch matches specifically in these conversations because it feeds a confirmation bias that their gender alone makes them superior. It builds up unearned satisfaction, makes them feel like they're part of some kind of comparative dominance or success simply because they share a chromosome with human beings that statistically have larger ranges of strength-based athleticism.
I'm sure if any of them took social context into account when considering female athletes, they'd realize there was much more to overcome than they assumed, especially in comparison to the males we immediately normalize and give preference to as spectators of human competition.
That and she literally played and was beaten by a guy ranked 203rd. Wafflinson clearly didn't know this and wanted to showcase some classic outrage at Cocolina, then doubled down and said somehow that was irrelevant.
I only know of a few tennis players and sloane is one of them.
I would say that women athletes in general have a much have tougher time breaking through, let alone women athletes of color... Playing a sport most Americans currently don't give a damn about.
You're either the first and/or complete dominant (Serena Sisters) or you're gonna be middle of the road at best... or you're a Sharapova.
I would say that women athletes in general have a much have tougher time breaking through, let alone women athletes of color... Playing a sport most Americans currently don't give a damn about.
You're either the first and/or complete dominant (Serena Sisters) or you're gonna be middle of the road at best... or you're a Sharapova.
I'm absolutely dumbfounded that people don't know who Federer or Nadal are. They're two of the biggest athletes on the planet.