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Let's talk about how dope 80's hip hop was
- Thread starter Cindi Mayweather
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Best rap song of the 80s, maybe ever.
The multiple beat switches, the use of the interview skit instead of a chorus, and the fucking hilarious lyrics make this one of my all-timers.
Ya the era when samples didn't need clearing had some good shit.
On an old man walk through the park this weekend, I passed some kids blasting PE's It Takes a Million and thought it was interesting. That would be the equivalent of me blasting 1960s music in a park when I was their age.
On an old man walk through the park this weekend, I passed some kids blasting PE's It Takes a Million and thought it was interesting. That would be the equivalent of me blasting 1960s music in a park when I was their age.
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PhoenixDark you know bout this classic shit? my dude Enzoes told me you was part of the newjack crew par
no doubt - 4,5,6 is straight classic
no doubt - 4,5,6 is straight classic
Rammellzee and Kool Keith in the same post? I think we just became best friends.
The 00's are the decade that brought us Doom at his absolute best along with Dilla, Madlib, Deltron and Kanye's finest hour. That alone already trumps the 80s, as glorious as they were (Doom by himself would trump the 80s, if we're being honest). Then there's the whole southern scene explosion, Ghostface bringing his best work ever to the table, Nas had the comeback we were all waiting for, Jay-Z actually launched a great album for the first time since he debutted, Outkast released some of their finest albums, El-P remained solid throughout the decade and then there's all the "smaller" names such as Danger Mouse, Blu, Aesop, Edan, CunninLynguists, Little Brother, Blackalicious, Masta Ace, Clipse, Dalek, J-Live, early Lupe F, Brother Ali, Non Phixion (Necro, too), Jedi Mind Tricks, hell the list goes on and on and on and on.
Eminem in his prime was actually pretty great too, let's not pretend otherwise.
And of course, internationally speaking it was a spectacular decade with the Japanese, Brazilian, French, British and several other European and South American scenes delivering in spades and not only matching but in some cases actually surpassing many of the US greats where as in the 80s everything outside the US was essentially barren.
The 80s had a handful of incredibly talented artists releasing consistently excellent work which shaped the industry, but it's not even close to being close.
Woah blast from the past, I found this album a while back whilst clearing out my Mums garage
One of my favourite tracks of all time
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So many good artists/variations of rap from that time
Interesting as Masta Ace is featured in The Symphony from 1987 above.
Doom and several others I mentioned have been active since the 80s too, but the 00s was the decade where they shone brightest. Masta Ace in particular was at his absolute finest during Disposable Arts (2001) and A Long Hot Summer (2004), personally.
I loved this era. I was into rap and hip hop from the jump. Grand Master Flash, Sugarhill Gang, Whodini, ect. Loved rap until around the mid 90's or so. I don't hate it now, I just don't go out of my way to listen to it.
Fat Boys, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Young MC... rap used to be really fun to listen and sing along to.
Fat Boys, Run DMC, Beastie Boys, Young MC... rap used to be really fun to listen and sing along to.
Late 80s hip hop was, and still is, dope!
I see a problem with no BDP in this thread, let me fix that.
And no thread about 80s hip hop would be complete without Cold Gettin Dumb by Just-Ice. The beat by Mantronix was years ahead of its time.
Also, "get loose" is probably my favorite slang ever.
I see a problem with no BDP in this thread, let me fix that.
And no thread about 80s hip hop would be complete without Cold Gettin Dumb by Just-Ice. The beat by Mantronix was years ahead of its time.
Also, "get loose" is probably my favorite slang ever.
I might have missed them, but I don't think there was a single black chick in that Kurtis Blow video.
Did someone just say Easy on Boyz n da hood was weak? He's only got one of the most iconic hooks in a rap song ever. And the delivery was just so matter of fact it added to the effect even more. Also talking about the beats when years later other rappers would use them wholesale.
Taken from Whodini: https://youtu.be/iZVMT_itVC4
Taken from Rakim, Know the Ledge:
https://youtu.be/OPkWYTUiPTo
Taken from Whodini: https://youtu.be/iZVMT_itVC4
Taken from Rakim, Know the Ledge:
https://youtu.be/OPkWYTUiPTo
I also listened to a slew of local/Detroit talent that never got signed. They were just self made tapes sold put of the trunks of cars. I could still sing those songs too, but I'll be damned if I can remember their names. It's kinda sad since those songs are lost to me forever.
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I never got into KRS. Where should I start?
I love Run DMC. I'm just thinking of a particular sound I like about 80's hip hop and Run DMC isn't that. That said, still my shit.
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Definitely start with Criminal Minded that was done under Boogie Down Productions, it's a masterpiece.
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What I love about late 80's hip hop is the bridge to the 90's it has. It's not quite 90's, but it's not quite early 80's hip hop either. It's its own unique beast of dopeness. This song is a perfect example where it could fit in either decade and no one would bat an eye.
The D.O.C deserves more credit. He embodies what I'm talking about.
I want to thank Vice City and San Andreas for helping me get into these classics.
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I like 80's hip hop because it showed what music did for black culture before the entry into the 90's and a lot of people might be upset for what I'm about to say, but I say this in the point of view of a black person and millions agree.
White people didn't really like hip hop that much before Eazy pumped up the west coast scene. Yeah they liked the beastie boys for obvious reasons and some backed run-dmc but it was mostly black people pushing the direction of the genre.
Hip hip then was a fusion of many elements and you had ex-criminals and ex-mobsters joining in, building communities, removing violence, and political commentary that brought people together.
So when Eazy and his manager teamed up to push in nwa(controlled opposition to Public Enemy in manys eyes), which later brought in Snoop and Tupac and etc, companies that had nothing to do with music backed that on the radio waves, tv, and other avenues. Easy started the mainstream success (not pioneering) of glorifying violent gang culture, robbing people, materialistic things, and destroying instead of building, etc.
All of a sudden white people's interest in hip hop soared astronomically. Why? Because they were seeing black people act like the stereotypes that were lied about to them for a couple decades. Look at old 40-60's stuff on whites views of blacks to get an idea of what I'm saying. Finally, finally, the crazy thugs that you couldn't trust, and the other negative stereotypes were on their tv, it was "cool", and companies paid people, white and black, to say it was "black culture" so white people who saw through the smoke would be considered anti-black, and after the mid-90's blacks who agreed would be haters or coons.
White people hated most of the 80's albums, they wanted what white people though of black people (falsely) and they got it. Then all of a sudden it was cool, schools would push it on black kids, a white kid would go to a nerdy black kid who was in tech or something and say "yo, I'm more black then you" all of a sudden not doing dumb shit meant you were not black, and the effects continue to this day because most popular big music in hip hop is still basically gangster rap, rapping about the same things, it's just the style is different, there's less effort, the sound is basic, it's like McDonald's.
White people (and some defensive blacks) will bring up Kendrick, who barely rhymes, as a defense, but how much money had kdot given to "Compton" which is a gang infested hellhole, with run down buildings and high crime and isn't even a "black" city anymore. He took his money and ran, he could build something with that money, he ain't built shit. Like 98% of all millionaire rappers or higher. Look at what it did to Chicago, it's a way of life, literally. Used to be one of the big centers of black accomplishment.
People behind private prisons were also rumored to have been donating to certain lables and other media. Private prisons rise and profits increased dramatically during the 90's decade. I don't find that to ne a coincidence.
In the meantime, black business were basically finished off, hbcus were/are closing, jobs were taken by low wage earners, and we ended up with cities like Chicago and Detroit crashing to violent crazy ashes. White liberals will grill white conservatives over talking about illegals taking jobs and lower wages causing issues, but they almost never bring up blacks. Look it up, blacks are disproportionally effected by illegal imigration. Why won't the government use that money on run down black cities? What are the democrats doing? Nothing at all of course. What is the Republican governor of Michigan doing? Nothing. Who are the blacks friends again? They never had any, and prominent black leaders in the past have always said this, but blacks today are decided to think otherwise.
Did you know L.A. had some pretty big protests on the stacking of immigrants in black areas during the 2000's with the latest in 2014 or 2015? Of course not. Did you see the two black politicians speaking against the issues that was caused by it still on YouTube? Of course not, you're not supposed to.
All according to plan. Then since like 2008 "people of color" the most racists term on the planet, had increased in usage every year since and it's so common now it frustrating beyond hell. How dare white liberals put groups on the same level as the race who is still suffering to this day? Under a veil of being against "white priviledge" when ALL groups under "not straight white male" have more priviledge than blacks in general, including swms.
Simple, to purposefully put every other group above them.
I mean white leftists give more money by a significant margin to everyother group than blacks on average, even to construct communities, but what do they do for blacks? "Huurr we protested a statue I guess I did my quota for black people this year" really?????
"Well I donated to blm" yes so many things are changing because of this group that was funded not byblack people ohh.....wait.... Nothing's changing and things are getting worse? Huh. Blm also can't admit that the "all for one" doesn't work so it will continue to fail and do nothing.
"But blacks and Hispanics and Asians and LGBT are all in this together we shouldn't just have black people fight ahead of everyone else, we can do it together at the same time!" Nope.
Didn't work with the Jews, they threw us under the bus later on.
Didnt with the Italians, they threw us under the bus when they got "white status" in the 1940's.
Didn't work with the Indians or native americans, they took the care package over helping bring us up.
Didn't work for the asians, they tried to fight to be considered white.
Didn't work for the Hispanics/Latinos, they actively will drop a black any second there's an opportunity. Not to mention the terms "Hispanic" and "Latino" were used to separate groups even ones of clearly African decent, from being lumped in with blacks, and white looking Hispanics/Latinos actually won the right to be considered white in many areas.
In areas of this country calling a transgender the wrong pronoun or disagreeing with a homosexual can net you possible jail time or a fine. Calling blacks slurs or publicly saying blacks are useless and should be in jail will likely cause next to zero consequence.
Every group uses blacks as a stepping stone at best overall.
Do you know why Women got the right to vote? White women specifically? Because when Susan B Anthony told Fredrick Douglass to include women's rights, specifically white women, in his fight for equality he told her to shut that mouth. Blacks got the right to vote first, and as a result white women did later.
Equality only really happens if blacks push themselves forward everyone else rises up automatically. All at once has never worked, it didn't work then, it won't work now, and white liberals putting all races and LGBT on the same playing field as blacks is got to be the most racist thing in recent history and clearly shows no party cares about blacks. But we don't have the platform to make our own because the ability to was intentionally destroyed.
Most people don't realize this and blacks are in massive numbers are just giving up on the idea. Look at 2016, when for a full week after Hillary's loss everyone was on black people as until they downplayed it later and made it look like the drop wasn't large, especially among black males. Heck some sites erased their articles.
In the 80's hip hop was like a saving grace for hard times. Built communities, etc.
After the 80's hiphops culture is basically almost all gone. Today a black guy can make music and if it's not clearly under a popular music lable it is considered hip-hop by white media. Even if the song does not follow hip hops actual genre rules or has a guy not even rap. Then rich in the bubble blacks will just go along with it.
Some 90's guys held the fort till after 95 as an alternative to the trash but all the money was on the trash so after 95 alternatives were pushed back so bad you even had them fight gangsta rap IN THE UNDERGROUND.
How much money did sell out ice cube give detroit or south central? How much did dr.dre do to reopen those run down hospitals and those abandoned buildings that used to hold black businesses? Jack shit? Still bloods and crips in the streets with no jobs for them?
I like 80's hip hop and some alternate early 90's ones the most because it continued what music did for blacks during centuries, before for the first time, it was used against them. A lot of this was to insure an inspirational movement like Marcus Garvey, Malcolm and king in terms of impact can't happen again.(and a lot of revision on Malcolm is happening right now to discredit him)
People today that grew up during the 90's who say they prefer the 90's over the 80's or who say they prefer 90's west coast stuff and the early southern explosion to the alternate 90's rap styles are mostly white people outnumbering black people 20:1 with little exceptions. Because that the "cool" black style they grew up with.
Also notice people attacking blacks saying hip hop is black culture (I'm not talking about the ones saying it's only for blacks)
Grandmaster Caz even had the guts to admit it in an interview. Hell, when Lord Jamar called hip hop black culture and he didn't respect the election people went crazy as all hell attacking him. Which basically tell me a lot about those rappers.
Also many old school rappers, including Caz, 80's and 90's literally admitted the gangsta rap did crazy damage to the community.
Sure some blacks preffered gangsta rap to, I mean kids in the 90's had the crap pushed down their throats, and told it was black culture to be gangsta, but not even close to the blacks that were actively listening to alternates. A slew of rappers were calling the gangstas sell outs and going for mass appeal from the late 80's to mid 90's.
What I find the most funny is that gangsta rappers would shit on MC hammers don't tell em album for not being hard, BUT more white people for a bit listened to him over them. If he managed to get more clones the industry would be completely different but it didn't, and even he destroyed his identity to sell out to gansta rap and killed his career.
Anyway I had an overly emotional rant please feel free to overlook the ramblings of this black guy I'm sure people will.
But in conclusion 80's rap has a special connection to me. I need to step from the PC a sec.
White people didn't really like hip hop that much before Eazy pumped up the west coast scene. Yeah they liked the beastie boys for obvious reasons and some backed run-dmc but it was mostly black people pushing the direction of the genre.
Hip hip then was a fusion of many elements and you had ex-criminals and ex-mobsters joining in, building communities, removing violence, and political commentary that brought people together.
So when Eazy and his manager teamed up to push in nwa(controlled opposition to Public Enemy in manys eyes), which later brought in Snoop and Tupac and etc, companies that had nothing to do with music backed that on the radio waves, tv, and other avenues. Easy started the mainstream success (not pioneering) of glorifying violent gang culture, robbing people, materialistic things, and destroying instead of building, etc.
All of a sudden white people's interest in hip hop soared astronomically. Why? Because they were seeing black people act like the stereotypes that were lied about to them for a couple decades. Look at old 40-60's stuff on whites views of blacks to get an idea of what I'm saying. Finally, finally, the crazy thugs that you couldn't trust, and the other negative stereotypes were on their tv, it was "cool", and companies paid people, white and black, to say it was "black culture" so white people who saw through the smoke would be considered anti-black, and after the mid-90's blacks who agreed would be haters or coons.
White people hated most of the 80's albums, they wanted what white people though of black people (falsely) and they got it. Then all of a sudden it was cool, schools would push it on black kids, a white kid would go to a nerdy black kid who was in tech or something and say "yo, I'm more black then you" all of a sudden not doing dumb shit meant you were not black, and the effects continue to this day because most popular big music in hip hop is still basically gangster rap, rapping about the same things, it's just the style is different, there's less effort, the sound is basic, it's like McDonald's.
White people (and some defensive blacks) will bring up Kendrick, who barely rhymes, as a defense, but how much money had kdot given to "Compton" which is a gang infested hellhole, with run down buildings and high crime and isn't even a "black" city anymore. He took his money and ran, he could build something with that money, he ain't built shit. Like 98% of all millionaire rappers or higher. Look at what it did to Chicago, it's a way of life, literally. Used to be one of the big centers of black accomplishment.
People behind private prisons were also rumored to have been donating to certain lables and other media. Private prisons rise and profits increased dramatically during the 90's decade. I don't find that to ne a coincidence.
In the meantime, black business were basically finished off, hbcus were/are closing, jobs were taken by low wage earners, and we ended up with cities like Chicago and Detroit crashing to violent crazy ashes. White liberals will grill white conservatives over talking about illegals taking jobs and lower wages causing issues, but they almost never bring up blacks. Look it up, blacks are disproportionally effected by illegal imigration. Why won't the government use that money on run down black cities? What are the democrats doing? Nothing at all of course. What is the Republican governor of Michigan doing? Nothing. Who are the blacks friends again? They never had any, and prominent black leaders in the past have always said this, but blacks today are decided to think otherwise.
Did you know L.A. had some pretty big protests on the stacking of immigrants in black areas during the 2000's with the latest in 2014 or 2015? Of course not. Did you see the two black politicians speaking against the issues that was caused by it still on YouTube? Of course not, you're not supposed to.
All according to plan. Then since like 2008 "people of color" the most racists term on the planet, had increased in usage every year since and it's so common now it frustrating beyond hell. How dare white liberals put groups on the same level as the race who is still suffering to this day? Under a veil of being against "white priviledge" when ALL groups under "not straight white male" have more priviledge than blacks in general, including swms.
Simple, to purposefully put every other group above them.
I mean white leftists give more money by a significant margin to everyother group than blacks on average, even to construct communities, but what do they do for blacks? "Huurr we protested a statue I guess I did my quota for black people this year" really?????
"Well I donated to blm" yes so many things are changing because of this group that was funded not byblack people ohh.....wait.... Nothing's changing and things are getting worse? Huh. Blm also can't admit that the "all for one" doesn't work so it will continue to fail and do nothing.
"But blacks and Hispanics and Asians and LGBT are all in this together we shouldn't just have black people fight ahead of everyone else, we can do it together at the same time!" Nope.
Didn't work with the Jews, they threw us under the bus later on.
Didnt with the Italians, they threw us under the bus when they got "white status" in the 1940's.
Didn't work with the Indians or native americans, they took the care package over helping bring us up.
Didn't work for the asians, they tried to fight to be considered white.
Didn't work for the Hispanics/Latinos, they actively will drop a black any second there's an opportunity. Not to mention the terms "Hispanic" and "Latino" were used to separate groups even ones of clearly African decent, from being lumped in with blacks, and white looking Hispanics/Latinos actually won the right to be considered white in many areas.
In areas of this country calling a transgender the wrong pronoun or disagreeing with a homosexual can net you possible jail time or a fine. Calling blacks slurs or publicly saying blacks are useless and should be in jail will likely cause next to zero consequence.
Every group uses blacks as a stepping stone at best overall.
Do you know why Women got the right to vote? White women specifically? Because when Susan B Anthony told Fredrick Douglass to include women's rights, specifically white women, in his fight for equality he told her to shut that mouth. Blacks got the right to vote first, and as a result white women did later.
Equality only really happens if blacks push themselves forward everyone else rises up automatically. All at once has never worked, it didn't work then, it won't work now, and white liberals putting all races and LGBT on the same playing field as blacks is got to be the most racist thing in recent history and clearly shows no party cares about blacks. But we don't have the platform to make our own because the ability to was intentionally destroyed.
Most people don't realize this and blacks are in massive numbers are just giving up on the idea. Look at 2016, when for a full week after Hillary's loss everyone was on black people as until they downplayed it later and made it look like the drop wasn't large, especially among black males. Heck some sites erased their articles.
In the 80's hip hop was like a saving grace for hard times. Built communities, etc.
After the 80's hiphops culture is basically almost all gone. Today a black guy can make music and if it's not clearly under a popular music lable it is considered hip-hop by white media. Even if the song does not follow hip hops actual genre rules or has a guy not even rap. Then rich in the bubble blacks will just go along with it.
Some 90's guys held the fort till after 95 as an alternative to the trash but all the money was on the trash so after 95 alternatives were pushed back so bad you even had them fight gangsta rap IN THE UNDERGROUND.
How much money did sell out ice cube give detroit or south central? How much did dr.dre do to reopen those run down hospitals and those abandoned buildings that used to hold black businesses? Jack shit? Still bloods and crips in the streets with no jobs for them?
I like 80's hip hop and some alternate early 90's ones the most because it continued what music did for blacks during centuries, before for the first time, it was used against them. A lot of this was to insure an inspirational movement like Marcus Garvey, Malcolm and king in terms of impact can't happen again.(and a lot of revision on Malcolm is happening right now to discredit him)
People today that grew up during the 90's who say they prefer the 90's over the 80's or who say they prefer 90's west coast stuff and the early southern explosion to the alternate 90's rap styles are mostly white people outnumbering black people 20:1 with little exceptions. Because that the "cool" black style they grew up with.
Also notice people attacking blacks saying hip hop is black culture (I'm not talking about the ones saying it's only for blacks)
Grandmaster Caz even had the guts to admit it in an interview. Hell, when Lord Jamar called hip hop black culture and he didn't respect the election people went crazy as all hell attacking him. Which basically tell me a lot about those rappers.
Also many old school rappers, including Caz, 80's and 90's literally admitted the gangsta rap did crazy damage to the community.
Sure some blacks preffered gangsta rap to, I mean kids in the 90's had the crap pushed down their throats, and told it was black culture to be gangsta, but not even close to the blacks that were actively listening to alternates. A slew of rappers were calling the gangstas sell outs and going for mass appeal from the late 80's to mid 90's.
What I find the most funny is that gangsta rappers would shit on MC hammers don't tell em album for not being hard, BUT more white people for a bit listened to him over them. If he managed to get more clones the industry would be completely different but it didn't, and even he destroyed his identity to sell out to gansta rap and killed his career.
Anyway I had an overly emotional rant please feel free to overlook the ramblings of this black guy I'm sure people will.
But in conclusion 80's rap has a special connection to me. I need to step from the PC a sec.