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Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
I just dont click with sidearms (yet). Something seems off about them, like Bungie is screwing with them behind the scenes. Plus, they simply lack too much range for my tastes.

I think people use Hope with VW only because they cant use anti.
People use hope because of its perks and high damage at close range.

As for sidearms, they're pretty simple. Get into say...Acrius kill range and hipfire. Aiming down sight is the mistake people make with sidearms. That range is where most combat in Destiny PvP happens unless you're intentionally trying to avoid any close range combat (which is hard to do given the size of most maps), so they are very effective in this patch. Just gotta get used to getting in closer than you probably do in regular combat, bro.

You will slaughter with the better 3-burst and full auto Sidearms in particular. I'd recommend spending time with:

// Kinetic
Last of The Legion
Peace By Consensus
Enigma's Draw

// Energy
Etana SI4
Swift Solstice
Traveler's Judgment
Last Hope

Just spend time with them until they click. When they do click, whooo boy.
 

Nyari

Member
Oct 27, 2017
18
I just dont click with sidearms (yet). Something seems off about them, like Bungie is screwing with them behind the scenes. Plus, they simply lack too much range for my tastes.

I've been using The Rattler and 18 Kelvins with succes in the crucible the last couple of weeks.
They take some getting used to but once you're comfortable with them you can shred people in close range.( Especially with kill clip activated)

I was also trying out Orewings Maul after seeing video's of both Coolguy and Destiny Fun Police on the same day.
Really funny to see people dazed and confused after they get hit with a concussion grensde.
Plenty of time to switch to a (quickdraw) primary and finish them off.
With the 8 shots you get it felt like i had heavy a 100% of the time without having to camp the power ammo spawn or denying teammates from taking heavy.
I do tend to try and play off meta most of the time though, so your mileage may vary
 

AlphaCookie

Member
Nov 6, 2017
787
Washington
I'll stand by the Jade Rabbit, especially after finishing up the catalyst. It doesn't move, the headshots are crispy, and I can dominate the range game. It's been a personal favorite gun of mine since D1. I've used legendaries of the archetype, and they just aren't the same for me. If I'm gonna use a Scout of a different archetype it'll be my Purpose every time. Exotic slots don't really mean anything to me when my favorite playstyle is generally incompatible with the exotic arsenal. I'll pull out a VW if I have delusions of progressing towards Redrix's, not in quickplay.

I've also never actually met anyone who doesn't just shit talk the EP SMG all around. Hell, I was basically laughed out of parties for saying it was the gun I wanted most when farming. Glad to see it does have people who do appreciate it. I do know its on paper shortfalls, and that is that guns like Hero's Burden just kill faster. Straight up the 750RPM SMGs just have a worse TTK than the 600 and 900s. The 750RPMs, EP and Glory SMG, just feel more consistent out into that Antiope range without being as punishing for missed shots. I really like that. They really need to slap some more ammo into the EP reserves though. I think it's the only gun I've ever ran out of ammo with in the crucible, and it happens a lot.
 

Scythe

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,092
As someone who might purchase this on PS4 soon (it's $40 for the game and available DLC right now until the 18th), is the community healthy in terms of population and finding games (both quests/PvP)? I'm tempted to get this before Forsaken. I'm curious if it's a great time to get into it as someone who has never played Destiny 1 before. I only played the Destiny 2 beta, but barely for an hour since it was during a busy time. I don't want to play most of it alone (main quest wise) if possible. What do you all think?
 

Nyari

Member
Oct 27, 2017
18
As someone who might purchase this on PS4 soon (it's $40 for the game and available DLC right now until the 18th), is the community healthy in terms of population and finding games (both quests/PvP)? I'm tempted to get this before Forsaken. I'm curious if it's a great time to get into it as someone who has never played Destiny 1 before. I only played the Destiny 2 beta, but barely for an hour since it was during a busy time. I don't want to play most of it alone (main quest wise) if possible. What do you all think?

There's no matchmaking for story missions sadly enough, only for strikes(think dungeons), pvp and public spaces.
You can play the story with 2 other friends but not with randoms automatically joining you.

The population is still very healthy though, especially on the ps4.
And with the recent changes i'd argue D2 is in the best spot it's ever been right now (gameplay wise)
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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RIP Flashpoint milestones

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kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
2,703
They also confirmed our light was gone

Until it was brought back 2 missions later

Pretty much this. Unfortunately, any narrative beats they try to market will be scrutinized just because how Bungie tackles the issue when players actually get their hands on the game.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
2,703
I wonder if this is their method of killing off characters who have high-pay contracts.
 

Turbo Tu-Tone

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Oct 27, 2017
2,951
You can't fail the Heroic Adventures as you just need to complete it whether successfully killing the boss or not within the allotted time.

Unless they changed it since then but that's how it was initially to unlock the Forge.
Didn't matter. I was shooting a yellow bar vandal with my Nameless Midnight, completely ran out of ammo, and did dick damage. Realized I wasn't having fun at that point, so I cut the game off and deleted it from my hard drive.
We'll see. Easy way to stop paying Nathan Fillion for VO.
Dumbasses shot themselves in the foot by hiring all these brand name actors/actresses to voice these characters that most people don't give a shit about. It's probably the main reason we barely get any substantial lines of dialogue from anybody to begin with.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
I wonder if this is their method of killing off characters who have high-pay contracts.

lol why would they care about that? They have a great relationship with him and money isn't an issue.

Not only that, but they would then have to change strikes. It would be silly if a year after Forsaken comes out, Cayde has not been in the Tower that whole time because he's dead but he's still talking to us in Strikes.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
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They can revive Cayde and bring him back with a different VA. Idk. I'm just saying this isn't unprecedented.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Sigh. I'm not going to hit rank 50. Just haven't had enough time this week.

I really enjoyed the idea of Renown but I don't understand why they then decided to change how Rallies work. They made pledging account wide but then changed ornaments so they're per character, which I don't believe is how they have ever done ornaments in Destiny. That's a rough grind if it falls in a week where you don't have much time.

That wouldn't be too much of a problem if we didn't already know we were getting three Rallies -- which means one Faction per Rally if we want to get everything.

They should at least allow players to get tokens and rank up during the second week where there is a winner if they're going to stretch out the grind that much.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
2,703
That would be completely pointless. If he's dead, he's dead.

They're not bringing Cayde back from the dead and replacing Nathan Fillion. Haha. That's insane.

Yes it would be pointless. Which is why it's funny because Bungie touted us losing Light as a big deal and was a huge plot beat that was marketed to kingdom come. Yet, by the second or third mission of the game, we get it back. It's completely stupid.
 
Oct 25, 2017
41,368
Miami, FL
Yes it would be pointless. Which is why it's funny because Bungie touted us losing Light as a big deal and was a huge plot beat that was marketed to kingdom come. Yet, by the second or third mission of the game, we get it back. It's completely stupid.
yea, based on history he isn't dead until the expansion credits roll and he's *still* dead. with no cliffhangers.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Yes it would be pointless. Which is why it's funny because Bungie touted us losing Light as a big deal and was a huge plot beat that was marketed to kingdom come. Yet, by the second or third mission of the game, we get it back. It's completely stupid.

There's a big difference between what you're describing and replacing Nathan Fillion as Cayde. It's just not happening.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a big difference between what you're describing and replacing Nathan Fillion as Cayde. It's just not happening.

Why? We already replaced Dinklage with Nolan. Probably due to Dinklage's availability. The fact that Bungie can't replace VAs is a naive thought even if Nathan Fillion is pretty much Cayde.
 

SmartWaffles

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Nov 15, 2017
6,249
Cayde without Nathan Fillion as a VA is utterly pointless. And I'm sure Nathan's upcoming work in The Rookie will cut a significant amount of his schedule. Remember 343 had to use Travis Willingham as a stand-in for Nathan for the majority of development in Halo 5, and they had to recast Locke's voice acting because of Mike Colter's schedule conflict with his role in Luke Cage. Nathan got to be so prominently featured in vanilla D2 because he wasn't actively acting at the time, now he has other priorities.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Why? We already replaced Dinklage with Nolan. Probably due to Dinklage's availability. The fact that Bungie can't replace VAs is a naive thought even if Nathan Fillion is pretty much Cayde.

That's not the same thing and you know it. Haha. Dinklage was a meme because his reading of the lines were bad and the actor wasn't available. That isn't the same thing as Nathan's Cayde.

Comparing replacing Dinklage to potentially replacing Nathan is just not the same thing.

He's either dead permanently or he'll be back. They're not replacing Nathan. Fans would be upset and it makes absolutely no sense.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's not the same thing and you know it. Haha. Dinklage was a meme because his reading of the lines were bad and the actor wasn't available. That isn't the same thing as Nathan's Cayde.

Comparing replacing Dinklage to potentially replacing Nathan is just not the same thing.

He's either dead permanently or he'll be back. They're not replacing Nathan. Fans would be upset and it makes absolutely no sense.

They already do things that upset the fans. This isn't new. And while the situation isn't comparable the idea that replacing a VA is impossible is a naive thought. Regardless of the circumstance, people can and will be replaced. This is always a certain fact. We may love our characters and the people that voice them, but things change. Like... fucking hell people loved Christoper Lee as Ansem the Wise in KH but he got replaced. Shit happens regardless of the circumstance. Going into the minute detail that Fillion can't be replaced because this isn't the same situation as Dinklage is extremely naive.
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
Yes it would be pointless. Which is why it's funny because Bungie touted us losing Light as a big deal and was a huge plot beat that was marketed to kingdom come. Yet, by the second or third mission of the game, we get it back. It's completely stupid.
Of course we get our light back.

It would be dumb if we didn't. We're guardians powered by light.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
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Of course we get our light back.

It would be dumb if we didn't. We're guardians powered by light.

We got out Light back in like the first hour of the campaign. Losing the light didn't matter at all. The drama built around it in the narrative didn't seem to be properly built, if at all. The point I'm making is that Bungie and Activision market these plot beats but they ultimately don't matter. It'll be interesting if this is the case with Cayde but I'm going on a limb and say no.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
They already do things that upset the fans. This isn't new. And while the situation isn't comparable the idea that replacing a VA is impossible is a naive thought. Regardless of the circumstance, people can and will be replaced. This is always a certain fact. We may love our characters and the people that voice them, but things change. Like... fucking hell people loved Christoper Lee as Ansem the Wise in KH but he got replaced. Shit happens regardless of the circumstance. Going into the minute detail that Fillion can't be replaced because this isn't the same situation as Dinklage is extremely naive.

There are two options:

- Cayde is permanently dead at the end of Forsaken.

- Cayde is back, voiced by Nathan Fillion, at the end of Forsaken.

Replacing his voice actor isn't a possibility and I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. If they were going to do that, they would just... keep him dead. It doesn't make any sense.

This is silly.
 

JohnOfMars

Fighting Lion
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Oct 25, 2017
1,107
Mars
We got our light back after an hour, because nobody wants to play a space magic game where you don't have any space magic. But more to the point, we were the only ones who got our light back at that point. We had to go reassemble the Vanguard, each of which had no light and had to reckon with that. There are good character beats from Vanguard that come from this. The plot of the entire game was getting the light back for everyone, not just us. It's not until the final mission that we got everyone's light back.

Losing the light didn't matter at all isn't true:. losing our light and the journey to get it back is what awoke The Traveler.
 

kayos90

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are two options:

- Cayde is permanently dead at the end of Forsaken.

- Cayde is back, voiced by Nathan Fillion, at the end of Forsaken.

Replacing his voice actor isn't a possibility and I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. If they were going to do that, they would just... keep him dead. It doesn't make any sense.

This is silly.

Is it really that hard to believe that they would keep a character dead just because they couldn't get that VA back?

We got our light back after an hour, because nobody wants to play a space magic game where you don't have any space magic. But more to the point, we were the only ones who got our light back at that point. We had to go reassemble the Vanguard, each of which had no light and had to reckon with that. There are good character beats from Vanguard that come from this. The plot of the entire game was getting the light back for everyone, not just us. It's not until the final mission that we got everyone's light back.

Losing the light didn't matter at all isn't true:. losing our light and the journey to get it back is what awoke The Traveler.

The idea that we couldn't play a good chunk of the game with limited power is a bold move. It creates ludo-narrative experience as the player has a tangible goal of going on a quest and accomplish a clear end-goal. If they wanted us to get the Light back for the sake of others then they should've created more dramatic situations where losing the Light has legitimate consequences. However, they didn't really show that with the exception of the Speaker dying, but who cares about an underdeveloped character.