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Ehoavash

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If they want to keep the sales as high as they are they will need to cut the price. So it's understandable that shareholders are not happy. They really needed a big game for first half of 2019 and that is not happening.

I dunno nintendo likes to announce things like 4/6 months from release these days. I still can see them announcing a major games in the fall like animal crossing for spring 2019 etc. But yeah they should have aimed to have more games at E3. Maybe they thought smash would cannibalize everything
 

Axe

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Oct 27, 2017
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Investors are probably concerned that after all the work Iwata put in years ago to mitigate software droughts, Nintendo are still having software droughts. Also Online has no killer app and Labo is a slow burn, which doesn't help either.

Be interesting to see what happens after Furukawa takes over on the 28th. If it turns out in a month or so that Nintendo are already sitting on some things, then there's a real problem with communication and marketing.
 

H-I-M

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Apr 26, 2018
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It just.. feels like they were completely unprepared for the second year of this console.

I totally agree, and it's even weirder when you consider the fact that the Switch first year was a Zelda Wii U, a Mario Kart Wii U, Splatoon 1.5 and one new Mario.

Like what have Nintendo's studios been doing for the past 4-5 years?
 

grimrepo

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Jan 9, 2018
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Hahaha - it's go up again - the amount noise in the media space during E3 is large - Nintendo has to have a presence and they did - how much media space are they going to have later in the year when they show a trailer of anything - they have been spreading things out - blue ocean - by then the general public will have forgotten E3
 

Pwnz

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Nintendo has billions of cash at hand for operations to keep selling. A 7% drop in stock could be because investors were projecting 26M but now expect 23M. Investors only take a company's own midpoint guidance as a grain of salt.
 

Coi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nice and deserved. They need to learn and make good presentations, more announcements and stop acting like they are "that" arrogant great company. Don't forget the WiiU failure, Nintendo still needs to prove themselves for the consumers.
 

VariantX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do people not think Pokémon and Smash and are going to crush it?? When did investors become ERA/GAF levels of entitled for surprises?

I think this is more about nintendo not making ALL the money possible that there is to make than anything else what investors care about and what gamers care about are on two different planes of existance for the most part.
 

Deleted member 11276

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It is though. It's like we're right back to the WiiU era.
It depends on how you view it. I mean Smash and Pokemon in the same year is not exactly bad and we still getting games like Metroid Prime 4, a game the Wii U could have only dreamed off, coming. We don't get insulted by games in the vein of Federation Force, Amiibo Festival or another car mario party, so I would say we are not exactly in the Wii U era right now. But I do agree that its a pretty lackluster year, absolutely. Third Party Support should be much stronger and Nintendo should release atleast one big AAA title from them more. Couple that in with remakes of older games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and TTYD HD and the year could have been so much better.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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The big difference is Sony have a lot more first party games behind them. The Switch is new - it needs more first party games. Yes it's early days, but people were hoping for announcements. We got none (no big ones).
That's not true though. Sony showed four first party games. That's it. And most of those games aren't coming for a loooong time. Nintendo's direct was about the immediate future. They could have showed games that are coming out in late 2019 or 2020, but that's not their style. Leave that to Sony.
 

Flabber

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Oct 31, 2017
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Stock probably increased the weeks leading up to e3 and now are probably adjusting back to normal. As for sales, I think Fortnite will be a huge system seller for the Switch. Nintendo will hit their Switch sales number this year.
Sorry, but it's actually been dropping since March. It's currently the lowest it's been since September.
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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Uhhhhh, didn't these investors notice that the Wii Fit Trainer has a different face now?? And they re-recorded Marth's Voice?

Surely these and the other tens of thousands of meaningless changes will propel sales of the console to new heights.
 

KingSnake

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I think the issue is more about the perception about Nintendo's capacity to deliver on 1st party software rather than the fact that Pokemon and Smash will not sell well and drive also the Switch hardware for holidays. But without the ability to constantly produce good games and without a proper 3rd party support the future looks too similar to Wii U's in terms of games output, with big bumps for holidays and nothing to write home about for the rest of the year. Sure, at a total different level since Wii U completely flopped. But it does feel like there is a lot of missed opportunity to bank on Switch's momentum.
 

Dyle

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It's been falling steadily since hitting a high point around $56 in February/March. It was probably overvalued after doubling in price in a single year and the weaker than expected 2018 lineup is only a part of what has made the price fall.
 

Amnixia

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Too soon to call doom, but at this point I do feel that Nintendo is making a horrible mistake by putting online behind a paywall.
 

Dr. Mario

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's literally what they do every E3. They show all games aiming for release in the current fiscal year.
No it isn't. Last year they talked about Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon, none of which released in that fiscal year (and Kirby was riiight at the end of it). In either case it doesn't matter. Last year they had a fantastic and very diverse slate, this year it's mostly party games after a weak H1.
 

Psycho_Mantis

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Member has been permanently banned: continues to troll despite coming back from a long ban. Long history of similar infractions for immature behaviour when it comes to Nintendo and its fanbase.
Smash Ultimate is a port. Confirmed by investors. GG.
 

bane833

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... Do you remember the WiiU Era? It was pretty bad. This wasn't a strong direct but the Switches game output the past year and a half is better then the entire WiiU run of games.
Yeah i remember it and it was bad but lets take a quick look at the 2018 Switch lineup: Lots of WiiU remasters and not much else. I'm certainly not going to get excited over a Smartphoneesque Pokemon and another Mario Party.
Where the fuck are all those Nintendo IPs we are waiting for? Luigis Mansion, Pikmin (which was announced as almost ready fucking 3 years ago), Yoshi?
Hell if Nintendo doesn't have enough development capacities then they need to fucking expand their studios or hire other developers. There is absolutely no excuse for this barren wasteland of a lineup anymore. Nintendo has a truckload of money and the highest marges of whole industry.
 

Guaraná

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Nintendo has Smash and Pokemon this year.
You guys do realize that, right?

Between both of them, Nintendo will probably sell of 30 million unities and this will boost Switch numbers to insane levels.
 

Braaier

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Oct 29, 2017
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Too soon to call doom, but at this point I do feel that Nintendo is making a horrible mistake by putting online behind a paywall.
They should at least delay it to launch with Smash.

Unless Fortnite becomes a huge success on Switch. That there could cause a ton of people to pay for online alone.
 
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They have no idea. Although.i hated Nintendo conference. I think Pokémon will be a huge seller for Nintendo this fall.

Also Nintendo can easily do a price drop or a 2D Mario port to bolster the sales.
 

Amnixia

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It'll probably stop cheaters. Or at least give a heavy disincentive.

Banning a $300 console will do that too, I doubt the hackers will want to keep buying new Switches.

Don't get me wrong, still buying the sub cause I don't mind paying but the casual crowd might feel different.
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
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Okay then how about the drop its had in general over the last month?

They think there are real issues and Nintendo did not really address them
Still doesnt matter. Only thing that matters in the end is actual performance at the end of each quarterly report.

And most indicators say they are on track to meet thier expectations with Pokémon, Smash and Fortnite.

If I had cash to spare now would be time to buy Nintendo stocks.
 

Phil Good

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Somehow the Switch's 2nd E3 is much less exciting and reflects less creativity than the WiiU's 2nd year E3.

Does Nintendo perform well only when they feel threatened ?
 

lost7

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Personally, I'm expecting sales on par with what the Wii used to pull in the holidays once Pokemon and Smash release, but it's definitely been a bit of a slow start this year
 

cowbanana

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They finally heard that you can't back up your precious save data. The dumbest thing currently in all of gaming. Let's have customers potentially lose hundreds of hours of progress in our large and wonderful games... like, how can you be this disconnected? Incompetence? Willful neglect? How?
 

Legitmcfalls

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Oct 25, 2017
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Jesus people. 6 months ago we knew NOTHING about Nintendos 2018 lineup outside of Kirby. Since then we have got:
Mario Tennis
Mario Party
Smash Brothers
Pokemon E&P
Octopath traveler

On top of that 3rd party support with:
Dark Souls
Wolfenstein
DRAGON warrior
Fortnite
Dragon Ball Fighterz

We went from nothing to something very quickly. And we still don't know more about Metroid, Pokemon 2019, Animal Crossing, Yoshi and presumably a Mario Oddessy Sequel. So let's all step back from the Nintendo is doomed ledge.
 

Xando

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I think what's more concerning than the first party situation is the third party situation.

Was expecting far more announcements on the third party front but outside of Fortnite and FIFA there wasn't much.
 

rochellepaws

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Oct 25, 2017
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Their online service is going to be a very hard sell at launch, particularly without Smash. Launching Smash in December and after black friday probably isn't a great time to grab those impulse console buyers either.
 

bane833

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Nov 3, 2017
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It depends on how you view it. I mean Smash and Pokemon in the same year is not exactly bad and we still getting games like Metroid Prime 4, a game the Wii U could have only dreamed off, coming. We don't get insulted by games in the vein of Federation Force, Amiibo Festival or another car mario party, so I would say we are not exactly in the Wii U era right now. But I do agree that its a pretty lackluster year, absolutely. Third Party Support should be much stronger and Nintendo should release atleast one big AAA title from them more. Couple that in with remakes of older games like Metroid Prime Trilogy and TTYD HD and the year could have been so much better.
This is not even a real Pokemon so let's not pretend otherwise.

And the WiiU had certainly a lot more to get excited about in 2014 when Smash released than the Switch has now.
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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No it isn't. Last year they talked about Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon, none of which released in that fiscal year (and Kirby was riiight at the end of it). In either case it doesn't matter. Last year they had a fantastic and very diverse slate, this year it's mostly party games after a weak H1.
They did not talk about Fire Emblem last E3.

Pokémon and Metroid Prime 4 were literally "we've started working on them". We saw nothing of them. In the case of Prime 4, it was only announced to placate fans who would inevitably get upset about Metroid being relegated to a 3DS remake.

All signs point to Yoshi having been hit with a delay. It happens.
 

Jessie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Somehow the Switch's 2nd E3 is much less exciting and reflects less creativity than the WiiU's 2nd year E3.

Does Nintendo perform well only when they feel threatened ?

Yes, I think that's a totally fair statement to make.

2017 Switch was Nintendo at its most desperate. So of course they went all out.

2018 Switch is Nintendo at its most arrogant. So yeah, they've delayed things and they don't feel as much pressure to pump out big sellers. The console has probably a good 7-10 years of amazing games ahead of it, so I'm not worried either.
 

Elven_Star

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Oct 27, 2017
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Happens pretty much every single time. Will go up again in no time. Nothing to see here, people. Move on.
 

Y2Kev

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not sure why they were so aggressive with their forecast. Why not forecast 17 and then beat and raise?
 

Titik

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is not even a real Pokemon so let's not pretend otherwise.

And the WiiU had certainly a lot more to get excited about in 2014 when Smash released than the Switch has now.
The remake of the one of the best selling Pokémon game ever is nothing to sneeze at. Also Gen 1, for better or worse, is also nothing to sneeze at. See Pokémon Go.
 

Mcjmetroid

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Oct 28, 2017
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I totally agree, and it's even weirder when you consider the fact that the Switch first year was a Zelda Wii U, a Mario Kart Wii U, Splatoon 1.5 and one new Mario.

Like what have Nintendo's studios been doing for the past 4-5 years?

Not like they were releasing killer WiiU games( Besides BOTW) towards the end of it's life or anything either. I'm frankly baffled by the whole situation.
 

Faiyaz

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Nov 30, 2017
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Somehow the Switch's 2nd E3 is much less exciting and reflects less creativity than the WiiU's 2nd year E3.

Does Nintendo perform well only when they feel threatened ?

This is not even a real Pokemon so let's not pretend otherwise.

And the WiiU had certainly a lot more to get excited about in 2014 when Smash released than the Switch has now.


Lol. Yep this thread is not going to go well.
 

ProtomanNeo

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's just noise, but noise that Nintendo would do well listen to.

Hey BTW remember when we found out that Nintendo was unifying development and they were just making games for the Switch?
And everybody was all like "Yay no more droughts!"? Yeah that was funny. I think it's time for another one of those what is each team working on threads.
We knew that a lot of third parties jumped on the bandwagon late so I knew they wouldn't be in attendance, but damn Nintendo has some glaring holes in
their library. Third-person adventure being a big one.
 

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Investors really wanted that Retro's new game.

Seriously though, these are all legit concerns, looking at lineup, 2018 is such a casual Wii-style year for the Switch, and i get you can't have all years with Odyssey and Breath of the Wild but the big titles for this year are:

1) Smash, which is great!
2) Pokémon Let's Go (not the one made for the fans, so casual, and you have to wonder if they can really convince Go users to buy a Switch for that game)
3) Super Mario Party (1-2 Switch level of casual, hopefully not as barebone)

Fire Emblem Three Houses hopefully is a February-March title otherwise honestly i don't know how Switch can ever reach that goal.

I felt like the Direct was way too short on some titles, and way too long for Smash.

Like seriously, this title deserved it's own space



And personally i would have thrown Hyper Sports R trailer in it anyway.
 
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